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    Ukraine-France, 15 Nov

    3.21 3.23 2.48

    #2
    France squad:

    GK: Hugo Lloris (Tottenham), Steve Mandanda (OM), Mickaël Landreau (Bastia)

    Defenders: Bacary Sagna (Arsenal), Mathieu Debuchy (Newcastle), Eric Abidal (Monaco), Raphaël Varane (Real Madrid), Patrice Evra (Manchester United), Gael Clichy (Manchester City), Mamadou Sakho (Liverpool), Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal).

    Midfielders: Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle), Paul Pogba (Juventus), Blaise Matuidi (PSG), Samir Nasri (Manchester City), Moussa Sissoko (Newcastle), Clément Grenier (OL), Rio Mavuba (Lille), Matthieu Valbuena (OM)

    Strikers: Franck Ribéry (Bayern Munich), Karim Benzema (Real Madrid), Olivier Giroud (Arsenal), Dimitri Payet (OM), Loic Rémy (Newcastle)

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      #3
      odds on Ukraine are insane. Their only disadvantage is that they will be playing the 2nd game away. If they were to play the first game away I would think they have a good chance of going through. France throughout qualifications has not looked good at all and they simply were not playing with any urgency. With all this being said Ukraine has been solid at home and I think they will get the win here and put the pressure on France to get a result in the 2nd leg. I will personally be also taking ukraine to win by 1 goal however I haven't seen it offered anywhere yet.

      edit: Ukraine to win by 1 goal is available at bets10 at a very generous 4.75
      Last edited by easyliving; 14-11-13, 04:36.

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        #4
        UKRAINE FRANCE

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        hey guys, I still think France is being underrated and Ukraine Overrated.

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        Of course Ukraine has a solid team, and will be playing at home.

        Their wingers are feared by the French and they have some quality upfront and some experience in the middle field.

        Should be around 0 degrees tomorrow night, which probably a small advantage for Ukraine.

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        But in any case I see much more quality in the French team, and having seen their last games, especially since the half-time against Belarus, something has happened inside the team, and they got much stronger.

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        I have a lot of respect for the French coach Deschamps. His history of success in his career is great. Captain of France for the worldcup win, captain of the great Juve of the Zidane years, brought Monaco into champions league final as coach. In some way he always seems to make the best decisions at key moments of his career.

        From the information that have filtered he will play Ribery, Giroud and Remy upfront.

        Ribery (Bayern): no need to present himself, he's top motivated as he wants to win the golden ball.

        Giroud (Arsenal) is having a good start of the year with Arsenal, and Benzema (real)could come as a joker around 70st minute to replace him to bring speed into the last 20 minutes.

        Remy (NewCasltle) has now score 8 goals in the 10 last matches. has been amazing with the Maggpies, scoring also in the 2 last matches with victory against Chelasea* (2-0) and Tottenham (1-0). Valbuena who’s not on form who leave the right wing to Remy.

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        In the middle field Deschamps will play Podgba (Juve) and Matuidy (PSG), 2 solid defensive middle fielders. Both concentrated and fighting players, that have the advantage that they can also break through the middle and shoot (Pogba) or follow a counterattack (Matuidy).

        Now the question Deschamps is asking himself, is if to play Cabaye (NewCastle) of Nasri (City) in front of those two. But both are good technicians with good passes, the playmaker style (Cabaye playing lower than Nasri).

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        Defense will probably be:

        Loris (Tottenham) in the goal - Evra (ManU), Abidal (Monaco), Koscielny (Arsenal), Debuchy (Newcatle).

        Experience there.

        Abidal wouldn’t be my choice, but I respect the fact that you need an experienced guy instead of young player: Varane (Real).

        He will play next to Koscielny who's player better every year at Arsenal, and been consistent in the past years for France.

        Evra will be on the left side of the defense. He's under heavy critic from the journalists because they think he can't defend but also because he has been very aggressive with the journalists in the newspapers and unfriendly in the past years.* But he has the support of his coach, and Surprisingly, of the fans.

        Debuchy is slowly taking the place of Sagna (Arsenal), this is great for France, Sagna was always a weak point in the back, and a poor crosser.

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        1st Leg will be in Ukraine, and whatever the Ukrainians say "Oh yes we are not under pressure, sure we can win, we can beat anyone", I think it's fake... that's the stage they have been knocked out in 1998,2000,2002 and 2010.

        Furthermore 2 years ago, France beat them at home during the EURO, 2-0. THEY ARE UNDER HUGE PRESURE!

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        Now of course they are unlucky and would have preferred to play Island, and 2nd leg at home, but France had Spain in the group, that's also no luck for France...

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        I strongly believe Deschamps and his players want to win this one, also to protect themself from pressure in the 2nd leg at home.

        French national teams perform usually well away from home, when they are more protected from pressure.

        Everyone in France sees these 2 games as the games of the year, all newspapers and radios are talking about it.

        And for once, everyone supports the team until the last minute of the second game, whatever happens.

        This doesn’t t happen often.

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        Now when I see France AW @ 2,45 that's also good IMO ...

        Next match at home it will be @ 1,45/1,60....

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        I see France scoring and probably winning this.

        Any thought on Ukraine?

        I agree, their latest Results were encouraging.

        11 games undefeated... but each run has an end, and they played quite poor teams there, to the exception of England, who came to Ukraine to get 1 point, which both team were happy with.

        Does someone from Ukraine have an opinion on this?

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          #5
          Well, you took only 1 team in consideration, and that's not good =) Of course that Ukraine can beat France at home, have you watched them playing there, they are very hard to beat. France did improve in last 2 months, but i wouldn't trust them in Ukraine...everything is possible regarding 1x2, but i will take 1X and under 3 goals, France will be delighted with 1:1.

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            #6
            10 ukrainian players have yellow cards and risking to miss the 2nd game. Most of them are regulars - Devic, Konoplianka, Rakitski, Fedetski, Gusev, Edmar, Tymoshuk, Rotan, Seleznev, Morozuk.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ashtrey View Post
              10 ukrainian players have yellow cards and risking to miss the 2nd game. Most of them are regulars - Devic, Konoplianka, Rakitski, Fedetski, Gusev, Edmar, Tymoshuk, Rotan, Seleznev, Morozuk.

              group stage cards are deleted before play-offs?
              Last edited by Wiseguy; 15-11-13, 00:22.
              Logic and observation always separate the winners from the losers, and in all this it is the long run that counts

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                #8
                No, yellow cards remain valid. Ukraine wanted to delete cards, saying they played more games than France in group stage, but their protest was declined by FIFA officials. Big disadvantage for Ukraine - more than half of their team must be cautious.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ashtrey View Post
                  No, yellow cards remain valid. Ukraine wanted to delete cards, saying they played more games than France in group stage, but their protest was declined by FIFA officials. Big disadvantage for Ukraine - more than half of their team must be cautious.
                  Thanks a lot, great info!
                  Logic and observation always separate the winners from the losers, and in all this it is the long run that counts

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                    #10
                    15 Nov 2013, 21:45
                    World Cup 2014 » Ukraine - France (1st Leg)

                    I am half Ukrainian, the national team of Ukraine and Ukrainian clubs in European competition I always support. But this time, I will give unpatriotic probably forecast. I would like to see our team in Brazil, the real chances are small in my opinion . Hit Ukraine on any other opponent out of four - would be a favorite for me , the team under Fomenko cute, but against France ... the chances personally I rate low, and I think even in the first confrontation between France bookies overestimate the yellow and blue.

                    Many write - and say , the French team "is not the same", the selection has not superstar players , the team plays under a very convincing loser coach and all that jazz song. Guys, this is nonsense. Yes, France is not out of the group from the first place , simply because was in a group with Spain - the strongest team in Europe. However, even with Spain "le bleu" butting away 1-1 and losing 0-1 at home but lost the chance of a direct hit in Brazil.

                    Actually , the defeat of Spain was the only one in the qualifying course. And so - the team as a whole played at a good level. Lost points in Georgia , but that was after the defeat of Spain. In Finland and Belarus away win. That is, there is no crisis personally I do not see - a special reason to break everybody in France was not a key fight with Spain, they lost a hard-fought struggle , and the second place was guaranteed.

                    Selection of weak players. Well, do not believe. In the attack against the Ukrainians will likely be trio Ribery - Giroux - Remy . Ribery - a contender for the Golden Ball and objectively one of the best players at the moment in the world, Giroux scored great form in Arsenal , Remy 8 goals in 10 appearances for Newcastle. Plus, the stock has a trump card , as Benzema - this can come out and in one episode to solve the whole game, in midfield - talent Pogba , fighting Matuidi. Yes , these guys are not as stellar so far , but on the content of the game, if you look at football - they are very strong guys. Plus Deschamps still have Samir Nasri, Manchester City player. By the way, many people said Ukraine is playing at home , home advantage... Yet only a year ago, the french team without any problems even beat Ukraine 0-2 , which in theory should have been on hand to Ukrainians. The French play approximately the same composition , and the Ukrainians if they become stronger... I do not think that much.

                    On defense of France - also entirely players top leagues and clubs experienced guys who play top games every Sunday. Coach - a man who was a very strong player , world champion. In short , I see no reason to believe the French weak - this is really one of the five or six best teams in Europe, and directly at the World Cup , they were not included simply because they played in a group withdinosaurs - the Spain.

                    Of course , the Ukrainian team is also very strong and Fomenko added to the team. But in the class , it is clearly inferior to the French team. In each position. The fact that the Ukrainians banal lack of class to achieve the highest goals , it was also evident in the home match with England. The desire is there , dedication is there, but the level is sufficient to confidently beat the Polish team or Montenegro, but not the level of the team of France.

                    However, the fact that the Ukrainian team has played so well under Fomenko, greatly overshadowed the minds of many fans , thus greatly mixed oddsmakers minds regarding odds for Ukraine. At the same Euro 2012 back to a clean victory over Ukraine, France, an average of about 2.05 , here given by an average of 2.45 Although the French did not become weaker , and the Ukrainians if added , it is not so much. The backbone of the team , in general, the same , except that left Shevchenko , Tymoshchuk took place on the bench , and the real leaders are the same - Konopljanka , Yarmolenko , Gusev.

                    Well, let's remember the same match against England. Obviously , the Ukrainians could take a chance to put pressure and try to win , but were afraid and played carefully, and the result - 0:0. The british have defended 0:0 with no major problems , in fact really dangerous moments of Ukrainians almost was not. The French were even more powerful than England, and the Ukrainians in this game for sure will become even more careful , because enough to miss one goal in his field - and the chance of reaching the World Cup will decrease significantly.

                    In general , here's how to beat France. It should be:

                    a) the perfect play on the defensive against players such as Ribery, Benzema, Giroud , Nasri , and
                    b) realize the 1-2 scoring chances that can create

                    With the second may not be a problem - Yarmolenko and Konopljanka very capable guys. But first... I just remember how ineptly defended Ukraine vs France at the Euro 2012.

                    In short, a draw - is quite likely. Of course, in football anything can happen , and if Ukraine wins - I will be very happy, but in reality the probability of a home win , in my opinion, is not higher than 20 %. Odds give it such as if the probability is 30-35 %. Again, only a year before the victory over France in Donetsk, Ukraine was worth considerably less - but is it so significantly reduced the likelihood of 2 ? I do not think.

                    In any case , good luck to our boys in Kiev! I would be happy if the forecast will be wrong and Ukraine wins

                    By the way, forgot to mention the selection.. so here goes - X at Half Time for 1.95 Bwin. Can see 0:0 after 45 minutes, the stake is so high and Fomenko does not look like an adventurer , he is cautious pragmatist.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Miserable Vain Mods View Post
                      Well, you took only 1 team in consideration, and that's not good =) Of course that Ukraine can beat France at home, have you watched them playing there, they are very hard to beat. France did improve in last 2 months, but i wouldn't trust them in Ukraine...everything is possible regarding 1x2, but i will take 1X and under 3 goals, France will be delighted with 1:1.
                      That was very nice, thanks brothers Ukrainians =D good luck in second leg!

                      and i hope goingto, that you didn't put too much money on France

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                        #12
                        Oh boy, France... Everybody talking about Ronaldo or Zlatan not in Brazil, but Ribéry?

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                          #13
                          Shameful ... Game over

                          I will support Belgium next summer

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Breizhtois View Post
                            Shameful ... Game over

                            I will support Belgium next summer
                            Ukraina have huge missing in defense for tuesday game, add to that Platini referee in fomr of slovenian Skomina so France is not dead yet.
                            Logic and observation always separate the winners from the losers, and in all this it is the long run that counts

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