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  • #16
    I think wiserthenthecrowed you understimate Croatia here. Yes stamina can be a problem but still they have 4 days of rest. And to me England defenetly dont belong in group of top teams especely with such you g group of players who never won any impprtat championship in their life maybe couple of them won premier league. On the other side you have players who played i Champion league finales and won them also at clube level on very high level like Seria A primera and so on. Imean England is good team but i would not put my money on them against team like Croatia who is capable for big things. What if game is tied after 60min to me that indicates it will go to Ot for sure and then if Croatia step back and lets say defend whole OT you know how hard is penetrate well defending organaized team who can hurt you big time on counter attack. All in all if England dont take early lead and croats open at the bqck i can see OT and Croat advance like i said if england start pressing too much croatia can hurt them with oofensive capitabilities.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by WiserthantheCrowd View Post
      When has a team like Croatia made the finals before? With all due respect they're not one of the top teams in football - neither now nor in the past... They're clearly a good team but they're certainly not a top team. Packed with talent in MF but lacking world class on the other ends of the pitch. At best they might be comparable to Sweden in 1994 or Turkey in 1998... Sometimes one of the weaker teams gets on a lucky run and wins the Euros as happened with Portugal recently but I can't remember it happening at the WC... I can not think of a team comparable to Croatia ever having made it to the finals... Now surely you can also make a case against England but they've got some pedigree in the competition and they're a class above Croatia... England to qualify and to win in regular time look like real value to me at current odds.
      Always against Croats (LOL). Here you are a histroy lesson mate: Croatia started to exist as country in 1991. Its not even 30 years, ok? So your question "how many finals Croatia made before?" is a really stupid one, you should be embaressed even asking that. After 7 years of Croatia, in 1998, we came as third on World cup. Still no respect? Ok.
      That fact alone should make you a bit quiet.

      This is world cup. It is not important "how many times which team have won world cup?". The team that win all 7 games will won world cup. Simple as that.

      There are many croatian footballers that play in the best leagues of the world. Have you ever heard for Modri***263;? PeriĊĦi***263;? Seems to me you have not since you are obviously underestimating Croatia. I know I am subjective, but even I give England better chances here, maybe 60:40 to England side. But not more than that!

      England started not so well but become better, Croatia other way around. We played group stage nice, knockut stage not so nice. But this is semifinals and everything is possible. If Croatia play like it can play sometimes, these 60:40 easily become 20:80 in our favour.

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      • #18
        England team is quite young one. Who do you know, besides Harry Kane or Dele Alli, as world famous footballer in England team? Maybe Sterling, others are all less-known than their croatian counterparts.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cyrus View Post
          Always against Croats (LOL). Here you are a histroy lesson mate: Croatia started to exist as country in 1991. Its not even 30 years, ok?
          When I look at the history I took account of the 2 SF appearances of Yugoslavia (1930, 1962) of which Croatia was then a part... On both of those occasions, Yugoslavia ended up in 4th place and that's where I am expecting Croatia to end up this year too... Apart from MF, Croatia are an average side. They could not beat Denmark and Russia. England also have surprising depth in MF but there is more talent - much more - at the other ends of the pitch. I have little doubt that England will advance here. I'll eat my hat if they don't.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by WiserthantheCrowd View Post
            When I look at the history I took account of the 2 SF appearances of Yugoslavia (1930, 1962) of which Croatia was then a part... On both of those occasions, Yugoslavia ended up in 4th place and that's where I am expecting Croatia to end up this year too... Apart from MF, Croatia are an average side. They could not beat Denmark and Russia. England also have surprising depth in MF but there is more talent - much more - at the other ends of the pitch. I have little doubt that England will advance here. I'll eat my hat if they don't.
            Depth? Its a young team mate, that still has to prove itself, without proper game vs some of the better teams.

            You cant make assumptions based on two last games, like i cant just on croatia play vs argentina.

            You were speaking rubbish when we played vs Russia. Look were your bets end you up with - loss. You are funny man and as i can see, lot of forum members agree. That you overestimate this england team. Its 50:50 at best. Or slight advantage on any side.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cyrus View Post
              You were speaking rubbish when we played vs Russia. Look were your bets end you up with - loss. You are funny man and as i can see, lot of forum members agree. That you overestimate this england team. Its 50:50 at best. Or slight advantage on any side.
              With all due respect I said that Croatia were overrated against Russia and I was right.

              Now you say that England vs. Croatia is 50/50. An hour ago it was 60/40 for England. But if Croatia drink their tonic, it's 20/80...

              We'll see. That's the point of the forum. We can disagree. I think England will advance and odds of 1.65 are very generous.

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              • #22
                50:50, objectively..with maybe 40:60 or 60:40, whichever is the side you are sticking with. I just wanted to point out it will be close call, no doubt.

                Since croatian play is not consistant. Thats why I am not talking any pre-match bets. Only in-play. We can play poor, yes, its possible. But if we manage to repeat performance vs argentina, it could easily turn to 80:20.

                I didnt have time to elaborate it sooner, but thats my opinion. With all respect to England, which is also playing nice. They seemed much more reliable, true. I also think, from physical aspect, they are much less fatigue-prone than Croatia. Being a young team, they will probably be faster than our players. But croatian players are much more experienced, so I am counting on that.

                Our defence is not reliable and we have to do much better in attack. Midfield is much better than english, I believe.

                All in all, close game and slight advantage to Croatia. But I am subjective, objectivelly it can go either way. My advice: dont do prematch bets, bet live.

                P.S. Lovren was doubtfull, but he will play. It would be huge blow if he didnt, since he is the best man in our defence.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by WiserthantheCrowd View Post
                  When has a team like Croatia made the finals before? With all due respect they're not one of the top teams in football - neither now nor in the past... They're clearly a good team but they're certainly not a top team. Packed with talent in MF but lacking world class on the other ends of the pitch. At best they might be comparable to Sweden in 1994 or Turkey in 1998... Sometimes one of the weaker teams gets on a lucky run and wins the Euros as happened with Portugal recently but I can't remember it happening at the WC... I can not think of a team comparable to Croatia ever having made it to the finals... Now surely you can also make a case against England but they've got some pedigree in the competition and they're a class above Croatia... England to qualify and to win in regular time look like real value to me at current odds.
                  How much was England strong 20 years after constituting national team?
                  England gone thru quarters after 1962 (I think) and this tell so much about them, just one weak team with few individuals but individuals don't win the game, team win

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dex View Post
                    How much was England strong 20 years after constituting national team?
                    England gone thru quarters after 1962 (I think) and this tell so much about them, just one weak team with few individuals but individuals don't win the game, team win
                    Well Dex you are wrong here, forget the past.
                    England actually are a team now as they never were. Southgate solved that, he is the key of their success, got rid of old stars and made a team out of talented individuals
                    This match (in my heart) is a win win situation for me, if England wins I will be delighted, but if Croatia wins I will also be very happy for our neihbours... because you need to understand, ****ing politicians aside, we still respect you and 90% of Slovenia wishes you to win this **** ...
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Macot View Post
                      Well Dex you are wrong here, forget the past.
                      England actually are a team now as they never were. Southgate solved that, he is the key of their success, got rid of old stars and made a team out of talented individuals
                      This match (in my heart) is a win win situation for me, if England wins I will be delighted, but if Croatia wins I will also be very happy for our neihbours... because you need to understand, ****ing politicians aside, we still respect you and 90% of Slovenia wishes you to win this **** ...
                      actually I don't mess with past but WiserthantheCrowd is messing with WC from 1930 and 1962 .....
                      And once again talented individuals don't win games but team wins

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Dex View Post
                        actually I don't mess with past but WiserthantheCrowd is messing with WC from 1930 and 1962 .....
                        And once again talented individuals don't win games but team wins
                        And again, England are a team now, even more than Croatia, they are not individuals, they dont have stars (bar Kane).
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                        • #27
                          for me croatia will pay the 2 matches on penalties, the last 4 days ago

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Macot View Post
                            Well Dex you are wrong here, forget the past.
                            England actually are a team now as they never were. Southgate solved that, he is the key of their success, got rid of old stars and made a team out of talented individuals
                            This match (in my heart) is a win win situation for me, if England wins I will be delighted, but if Croatia wins I will also be very happy for our neihbours... because you need to understand, ****ing politicians aside, we still respect you and 90% of Slovenia wishes you to win this **** ...
                            Thats what I was telling Wiser. Its new team. But good team. Although not superiror to Croatia as he believes. Tough match to predict with certainity.

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                            • #29
                              After watching the first semifinal i think we may overlooked a crucial factor here: handling the pressure. Of course it will not be a decisive factor as none of this was in this position before, but England is young team and Croatia has many experienced individuals Rakitic, Modric, Mandzukic, Lovren etc so i can see it as a slightest advantage for Croatia. Teams look different under pressure: look at first semifinal, slow tempo, safity passes, no major risks. So tempo will be a factor here. If England plays slow with loads of safity passes dont think they really play to their strenght, because that will suit croats, and will possible nulify any fatigue aspect going in favor of Lions, but its a semifinal, nobody wants to do mistakes, tempo will be lower than usual, a lot of pressure to handle which makes me think about draw at HT unless a set-piece or mistake.
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                              • #30
                                I have a question to ask if someone from Croatia can help me.

                                Against Russia, i notice something with Modric. Well, i was expecting him to attack more but i was almost surprised when i saw him "changing" with Rakitic often at the second half. It was like, when Modric was tired, he was moving back and Rakitic was more offensive. And when Modric seemed to be ok, then he was at the attack again and Rakitic more a defensive midfielder. Was that for tactical reasons or actually Modric was so tired?

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