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1/2 finals - 10.07. 20:00 France - Belgium

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  • 1/2 finals - 10.07. 20:00 France - Belgium

    2.50 3.16 2.97

  • #2
    Im not planning on betting this game because i still have France to win it at 7.5 and this is prolly the real final because the other side of the bracket was just weak and devoided by the poor condition of Spain and Germany. Belgium was lucky with Brazil but they also looked very capable and they will definitelly have their chances here but France looked more of a team. For me Belgium still has some issues with Witsel in midfield, with back 3 looking dodgy at times but so far they overcomed it with their offensive talent or good coaching decision. France hasnt really been tested so far, altghough they did come back from a goal down against argies, but who can take that team as a serious indicator? They will surelly be tested here and i can see another interesting game, it has to be with this Belgium but it can also be a tactical one as France doesnt take big risks, but if first goal appears it can be quite interesting. Somehow i see France edging it but it wont be easy.
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    • #3
      Well said. France havent been tested yet. Poor in group stage. 4-3 vs Argies? Then 2-0 vs Uru without Cavani.
      On the other hand: I have not seen any poor display of Belgium. B-Belgium dominated B-England. They truely got surprised by Japan but still they didnt need overtime.
      Then they eliminated Brazil.. maybe lucky. But still against the top favorite.
      Belgium changed their lineup. Finally KDB no more dmf or cmf, but more offensively.
      Why France is favorite? Definitely not because of their previous rounds.
      Prolly because of the name France. Varane, Umtiti easy defending against Lukaku, hazard. Hm, I have doubts.
      50-50 game, so Belgium (0) 2,25 a no brainer for me

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      • #4
        fully agree ....

        id put belgium above france thus far in game and quality specially upfront .... at least quality wich plays togueter and delivers .....

        galons and well that youth cousin factor may put it 50/50 ......... hence (0) 2.25 value
        ...but then again, who does?

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        • #5
          Hmmm... I see France as the favorite here. Not by a big margin but somewhere around 55-60% vs. 40-45% so broadly in line with the odds... Belgium knocked out the favorite and that must inspire confidence even if the outcome was lucky. In the match against Brazil the Belgian defense were run ragged by Brazil who just lacked a little bit of luck and some clinical finishing - I can see them struggling against the likes of Mbappe... But it's true that this should be the sternest test yet for France. It could well go into ET.

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          • #6
            Thomas Meunier (PSG) suspended for Belgium. He played every minute this WC and started 8 out of 10 games in qualification.

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            • #7
              The formation change by Martinez surprised me but was a masterstroke. Defensively they are far more solid as a unit in a 4-3-3 formation with Vertonghen playing LB rather than in a 3 with Carrasco offering nothing defensively. While Fellaini is horribly limited as a midfield player his obvious physicality and height at set pieces tips the balance and could nick a decisive goal. France's obvious advantage is Mbappe who at times is unplayable, but if Martinez maintains this shape I can't see past Belgium here.

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              • #8
                France - Belgium
                Referee: Andrés Cunha (URU)

                A bit of surprise i may say here with appointing Cunha for a 1/2 WC game. I mean, there are other better and more experienced referees for this stage, no idea how they are thinking. Cunha is the one with the least experience from CONMEBOL if they really wanted someone from there.

                Anyway, just a couple of side notes
                - Cunha has whistle France again at the group stage against Australia
                - This is the second time we see the same scenario with whatever it does or doesn't mean. France kicked out Argentina and they got an Argentinian referee at their next knock out game. France kicked out Uruguay and now they are getting a referee from Uruguay lool

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                • #9
                  The more i think about this one, the more i tend to agree with you guys that Belgium will pass through this France
                  Its mainly because offensivelly Belgium is just too impresive. DeBruyne and Hazard are just class above Kante or Pogba. Griezmann playing behind Giroud doesnt offer much, i mean solid plays but nothing special while both Giroud and Lukaku seem to drop a lot in midfield and that takes much from their physicality which would be more helpful in the box. France is too pasive and we saw only few drops of their offensive talent with Mbappe and also both full backs look decent going forward. I can definitelly see Belgium taking the lead if they dont play mind games here and go for it like they did in quarters and after we should see what France is made of but they will struggle, but still they should have their chances as Belgium has their soft spots but i do rate Belgium with more form and momentum and their offensive quality is above what french has shown thus far.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sirac View Post
                    The more i think about this one, the more i tend to agree with you guys that Belgium will pass through this France
                    Its mainly because offensivelly Belgium is just too impresive. DeBruyne and Hazard are just class above Kante or Pogba. Griezmann playing behind Giroud doesnt offer much, i mean solid plays but nothing special while both Giroud and Lukaku seem to drop a lot in midfield and that takes much from their physicality which would be more helpful in the box. France is too pasive and we saw only few drops of their offensive talent with Mbappe and also both full backs look decent going forward. I can definitelly see Belgium taking the lead if they dont play mind games here and go for it like they did in quarters and after we should see what France is made of but they will struggle, but still they should have their chances as Belgium has their soft spots but i do rate Belgium with more form and momentum and their offensive quality is above what french has shown thus far.
                    Same thing here. I've also started getting doubts about my bet on France to win this thing come through. Thus I've hedged and taken 1.Belgium/ 2. England at odds of 6.5 to cover just in case... Belgium have a lot of talent and Martinez is a more adroit tactician than Deschamps... Based on what we've seen so far in this tournament there isn't much separating these sides...

                    The one bet I like for this match is BTS at 1.8. I think both of these sides could find the net.

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                    • #11
                      I am also on the Belgium train. Main reason for me - the Belgians got really tested twice and they proved their worth. They came back from "hell" against Japan and they defeated the main favorite and 5 times winner Brazil. For me, this was the biggest question mark for Belgium - their lack of pedigree at this tournaments, which will disappoint them either against some of the big teams in knockout, or in a situation when they get behind the score-board in a knockout game. Belgium passed both tests and this is going to be an extreme confidence boost.

                      France had not been tested thus far and I don't count Argentina taking the lead as a real test. Everybody knew this Argentine team cannot win this game under any circumstances. I don't count Uruguay game as a big test, especially as the Latin Americans had their morals down after Cavani injury.

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                      • #12
                        I think the most vulnerable spot of France is their left defensive side and i believe that's where Belgium should and will try to hit with Meunier (and i will probably try him as anytime scorer).

                        There are many duels in this game which are not very "clear" or easy. Kante on Hazard, Pogba on De Bryune, Pavard on Chadil. As i wrote before, Kante has not even taken a single yellow card neither in qualification games, neither at friendlies and neither at this WC games so far (which is why at this game he is also my favorite to get a card, because of Hazard). Both of them have same height btw so i believe Kante will take over Hazard. Pogba vs De Bryune is a duel at which the second one can win only in technic cause in speed and body strength there is no question. It will be in favor of De Bryune if Belgium will play fast cause Pogba will be vulnerable and will make fouls, and it will be in favor of Pogba if Belgium will play slow cause he will have the chance to mark him closely every time. Chadli is a very good player but him as an attacking player and Pavard as a defensive one, i think Pavard will have no problem. There is also the duel Lukaku v Umtiti/Varane in which i think Umtiti will have no problem.

                        So it is going down to Lucas vs Meunier where Meunier is winning in everything there. Experience, body strength, technic, brain etc etc. If Hazard/De Bryune/Lukaku can find a pass on Meunier, then he can take the long shot and score.

                        Taking these thoughts now on the other end, we have Mbabbe vs Witsel and Vertonghen. I believe they will both help each other as Mbabbe is capable and fast. I also believe that Chadli will no go much forward so he might help too and let Witsel go to someone else, most likely on Griezmann. Then you have Fellaini on Griezmann or Tolisso. Since Fellaini is much taller than Griezman, i think Wistel will take him and Fellaini will assist while taking also Tolisso. There is also Alderweireld btw but i think he will be able to help anywhere since Meunier cannot be left alone on the top.

                        All in all, if i had to analyze the game in a way, this is how i would do it. Pretty much equal with one weak spot for France's left side and of course the strong spot of Belgium on their right side. Belgium should go for counter with Hazard left, Lukaku top, De Bryune little behind and Meunier on the right wing. I know that Martinez likes to play with Lukaku on right side together with De Bryune and Hazard only as top three but Meunier must get involved much more at this game in my opinion. Everything else beyond this "plan" is coming down to individual skills.

                        I'm not a coach tho, just a bettor, so i just analyzed what my bet will probably be

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                        • #13
                          just a quick remind to you:
                          Thomas Meunier is suspended for Belgium after he received his second yellow

                          Originally posted by MarianoV6 View Post
                          I think the most vulnerable spot of France is their left defensive side and i believe that's where Belgium should and will try to hit with Meunier (and i will probably try him as anytime scorer).

                          There are many duels in this game which are not very "clear" or easy. Kante on Hazard, Pogba on De Bryune, Pavard on Chadil. As i wrote before, Kante has not even taken a single yellow card neither in qualification games, neither at friendlies and neither at this WC games so far (which is why at this game he is also my favorite to get a card, because of Hazard). Both of them have same height btw so i believe Kante will take over Hazard. Pogba vs De Bryune is a duel at which the second one can win only in technic cause in speed and body strength there is no question. It will be in favor of De Bryune if Belgium will play fast cause Pogba will be vulnerable and will make fouls, and it will be in favor of Pogba if Belgium will play slow cause he will have the chance to mark him closely every time. Chadli is a very good player but him as an attacking player and Pavard as a defensive one, i think Pavard will have no problem. There is also the duel Lukaku v Umtiti/Varane in which i think Umtiti will have no problem.

                          So it is going down to Lucas vs Meunier where Meunier is winning in everything there. Experience, body strength, technic, brain etc etc. If Hazard/De Bryune/Lukaku can find a pass on Meunier, then he can take the long shot and score.

                          Taking these thoughts now on the other end, we have Mbabbe vs Witsel and Vertonghen. I believe they will both help each other as Mbabbe is capable and fast. I also believe that Chadli will no go much forward so he might help too and let Witsel go to someone else, most likely on Griezmann. Then you have Fellaini on Griezmann or Tolisso. Since Fellaini is much taller than Griezman, i think Wistel will take him and Fellaini will assist while taking also Tolisso. There is also Alderweireld btw but i think he will be able to help anywhere since Meunier cannot be left alone on the top.

                          All in all, if i had to analyze the game in a way, this is how i would do it. Pretty much equal with one weak spot for France's left side and of course the strong spot of Belgium on their right side. Belgium should go for counter with Hazard left, Lukaku top, De Bryune little behind and Meunier on the right wing. I know that Martinez likes to play with Lukaku on right side together with De Bryune and Hazard only as top three but Meunier must get involved much more at this game in my opinion. Everything else beyond this "plan" is coming down to individual skills.

                          I'm not a coach tho, just a bettor, so i just analyzed what my bet will probably be

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                          • #14
                            Isnt meunier out of the semis?
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                            • #15
                              bugger.. forgot about it

                              i still believe tho the left side of France is the weakest link

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