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Round of 16 - 30.06. 16:00 France - Argentina

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  • Round of 16 - 30.06. 16:00 France - Argentina

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  • #2
    Very complicated match with 1 team "FRANCE" that didn't show anything at all (no pleasure, no teamplay etc..) and another one "ARG" that has a very poor middfield and defense but who can change his players or improve match after match because they show envy (at least on the last match)

    Is not envy more important than lack of ardor/passion?

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    • #3
      Envy means jealous.
      Don***8217;t get you..

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      • #4
        Well it depends.. & i'm french...

        Just tired of the way france is playing

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Karl-Heinz View Post
          Envy means jealous.
          Don***8217;t get you..
          I think he meant "eager" or "hungry".

          I think this is going to be a completely different scenario for Argentina. Against both Iceland and Nigeria they clearly were expected to lead the game and win. Even against Croatia it was expected from them to be the more active team. With their poor defense and zero creativity in midfield, Argentina gets very exposed when trying to have more possession and move their lines higher up the pitch.

          Now this is the first game when Argentina is not expected to be leading the game and have superior possession. In this scenario Argies will probably feel much more comfortable and their formation with 3 center backs and 2 full backs will be more efficient.

          All here is pointing towards a low scoring affair, unless some lucky early goal opens the game up.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Miccho View Post
            I think he meant "eager" or "hungry".

            ...
            I think so too.
            Or desire.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Miccho View Post
              I think he meant "eager" or "hungry".

              I think this is going to be a completely different scenario for Argentina. Against both Iceland and Nigeria they clearly were expected to lead the game and win. Even against Croatia it was expected from them to be the more active team. With their poor defense and zero creativity in midfield, Argentina gets very exposed when trying to have more possession and move their lines higher up the pitch.

              Now this is the first game when Argentina is not expected to be leading the game and have superior possession. In this scenario Argies will probably feel much more comfortable and their formation with 3 center backs and 2 full backs will be more efficient.

              All here is pointing towards a low scoring affair, unless some lucky early goal opens the game up.
              this comfortableness may cost them a game, sure France is not showing anything but they pas the group stage so this tell something

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              • #8
                I favor France but Argentina could be dangerous here. Sampaoli's Argentina struggled in all group matches because Argentina could not break down defensively-oriented teams. This match is more suited to Sampaoli's approach because Argentina go in as underdogs and could strike on the counter... Thus, this match is more suited to Sampaoli's inclinations and Argentina's strengths. Nonetheless, they still seem a bit imbalanced and are clearly better offensively... No bet for me. Overall this seems priced right - I can't see value in the 1X2 market.

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                • #9
                  I think that Argies have a problem with good strategy of defending which used Cro and Nigeria.They placed whole team on own part of pitch and left side.And between that much players not Messi nor Jesus Christ can score.France played relaxing game in last round and I wouldn t take as a real strenght of team.Think that crucial thing will be who will score first.On that depending Over/under scenario.Argies need Dybala despertly on the right side of pitch-to make balance.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Miccho View Post
                    I think he meant "eager" or "hungry".

                    I think this is going to be a completely different scenario for Argentina. Against both Iceland and Nigeria they clearly were expected to lead the game and win. Even against Croatia it was expected from them to be the more active team. With their poor defense and zero creativity in midfield, Argentina gets very exposed when trying to have more possession and move their lines higher up the pitch.

                    Now this is the first game when Argentina is not expected to be leading the game and have superior possession. In this scenario Argies will probably feel much more comfortable and their formation with 3 center backs and 2 full backs will be more efficient.

                    All here is pointing towards a low scoring affair, unless some lucky early goal opens the game up.
                    So, you could bet Argentina under 57.5% posession with high stake yesterday.

                    Now, Argentina should approach the game extremely defensive, as Mascherano said, with no striker and Messi in that fake 9 position alongisde Di Maria & Pavon, so Aguero & Higuain at the bench.

                    Look at: Aguero, Higuain & Dybala at the bench.

                    Enzo Perez will arrive to the game, a player that Paoli didn't put in first 23 list, and will play 3 out 4 games in this WC.

                    Difficult scenario for ARG. In 2014 Sabella's style was playable, because Biglia & Masche could hold the team, and the strenght of players that could cover spaces & run the countrs. This year is a epic one.

                    At least, Benega for himself has more creativity that the whole France team, so it's not all lost.

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                    • #11
                      Even if i like Messi, they are nowhere near to be called a team. They are playing in awful system with bunch of mediocre players and with Messi playing out of his position. They rely to much on him but who to rely on?? Meza? Pavon? Also their defense i catastrophic-old, slow, no clean sheet and no solid GK! Yes France didn't meet expectation but they got through with just 1 goal allowed. And they have massive potential upfront which can click any second. So i would rather put money on good defensive unit with good potential upfront but didn't show it, than on porous defense that has one classy player but the rest awful and also struggle offensively. Iceland put them on pressure and in that 1st half every their attack was dangerous.

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                      • #12
                        Of course there is an option that Messi will shine but there are two options in my mind, France to win (maybe go through if odds are ok) and over 2 goals because i don't think it will end with 1-0, 0-0 no way imho.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hashishmaster View Post
                          Even if i like Messi, they are nowhere near to be called a team. They are playing in awful system with bunch of mediocre players and with Messi playing out of his position. They rely to much on him but who to rely on?? Meza? Pavon? Also their defense i catastrophic-old, slow, no clean sheet and no solid GK! Yes France didn't meet expectation but they got through with just 1 goal allowed. And they have massive potential upfront which can click any second. So i would rather put money on good defensive unit with good potential upfront but didn't show it, than on porous defense that has one classy player but the rest awful and also struggle offensively. Iceland put them on pressure and in that 1st half every their attack was dangerous.
                          Absolutely agree. I expected odds on France like 2,00-2,10. Simply because they are better although they havent shown it yet.
                          2,40-2,50 is to much I think.
                          Only the player Messi does these odds. Without him it would be sth like 1,7

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                          • #14
                            The real Argentina's problem is obviously the system and the players. With Lo Celeso as number 6 and Messi as a "free" player (playing at the position he wants) Aguero alone upfront it would totally change the Argentinian gameplan, the players on the wings are absolutely useless for Argentina it's like playing with 2 less players. All the game must turn around Messi and obviously in the center of pitch. But Sampaoli is a total joke and for sure we are going to see the same players and same system again and again with Meza, Pavon, Acuna...

                            France have been a big joke as well, Pogba is the biggest joke in the history of football. so it's hard to predict this game, might be destinated for a boring 0-0.
                            Last edited by Wilson; 30-06-18, 09:57.

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                            • #15
                              imo argentina's problem is in the players inferiority complex.. you'd never think they have it because a lot of them play at big clubs. the star players feel the pressure and their creativity suffers because of that. di maria has been utter ... so far. everyone shifts their responsibilities to messi not realizing what makes messi great and that clearly isnt slaloming through 10 man defense by himself. he is great at exploiting even a little space but he cant create it by himself.. and yet everyone else stays in like 10m radius away from him, does that even make sense lol. well, enough about argentina, they wont get any better than this with these players, unfortunately.

                              france so far has been very average but you cant deny the quality they have. imo, in terms of quality clearly superior than this argentina squad. so far they have faced relatively well organized teams and couldnt score much. cant deny the fact they dont play like a team though and thats a major part of it as well. but against argentina whose defense is like swiss cheese.. you dont need a lot to score. i am fairly confident mbappe/griezmann/dembele can win 1 on 1 battles and get to dangerous areas relatively easily. france has tall players as well and that makes them a threat in set piece situations and that GK problem argentina is having just contributes.

                              basically, i think argentina will be forced to open up because france even with their laid-back attitude should be able to score at least once. therefore the odds on goals are way too high. sure, neither team would want to risk it but a it stands france have the edge while argentinas defense has proven it cant be trusted. we saw what happened to argentina when they opened up against croatia and i can see something similar happen today. however, there's no denying the quality in this argentina side either, although in my opinion its lower than that of france. the french wing backs arent exactly the most solid defensively or the quickest, i think they can have some troubles. the problem is there's no one to finish up argentina's attacks, well, so far that is, and its interesting because its not like they lack top strikers, the problem is obviously elsewhere.

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