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Round of 16 - 30.06. 16:00 France - Argentina

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Wilson View Post
    The real Argentina's problem is obviously the system and the players. With Lo Celeso as number 6 and Messi as a "free" player (playing at the position he wants) Aguero alone upfront it would totally change the Argentinian gameplan, the players on the wings are absolutely useless for Argentina it's like playing with 2 less players. All the game must turn around Messi and obviously in the center of pitch. But Sampaoli is a total joke and for sure we are going to see the same players and same system again and again with Meza, Pavon, Acuna...

    France have been a big joke as well, Pogba is the biggest joke in the history of football. so it's hard to predict this game, might be destinated for a boring 0-0.
    My thoughts exactly...

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    • #17
      Higuain out, Pavon in.
      4-3-3 for Argentina.
      Messi as a free 9 behind di-maria and Pavon.

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      • #18
        I think we see a game similar to that between Argentina v Croatia. Sampaoli always sets up his teams to control possession while Deschamps has shown this tournament that he's happy to sit back, even against weaker opposition. Should be a pretty entertaining game with the chance for plenty of violence from both sides.

        Argentina corner match bet @ 2.62
        Over 4.5 cards @ 2.34
        France over 1.5 goals @ 2.75

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        • #19
          Originally posted by petran View Post
          Higuain out, Pavon in.
          4-3-3 for Argentina.
          Messi as a free 9 behind di-maria and Pavon.
          Could be a masterstroke by Sampaoli to switch to a back 4 and bring in Pavon.

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          • #20


            Who picks this kind of lineup??! They want to lose on purpose it seems.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by latortuga View Post
              I think we see a game similar to that between Argentina v Croatia. Sampaoli always sets up his teams to control possession while Deschamps has shown this tournament that he's happy to sit back, even against weaker opposition. Should be a pretty entertaining game with the chance for plenty of violence from both sides.

              Argentina corner match bet @ 2.62
              Over 4.5 cards @ 2.34
              France over 1.5 goals @ 2.75
              Perfect start...c’mon!

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              • #22
                Argies are being totally outclassed but ofc Deschamps instead going for the jugular goes back, digs a hole and hides in it. Ofc talking about how predictable football is, DiMaria played like a total clown all games and comes up with a screamer in knock-out!
                My country is the world...and my religion is to do good.

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                • #23
                  Yeh I didn***8217;t think that Di Maria existed anymore. Nice gol

                  Deschamps will get away with this tactic because Sampaoli is tactically inept, it will cost them in next round(s). They sit deep and afford teams too much space, with no bite in their closing down.

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                  • #24
                    France still conceded 3 goals against this poor Argentina. Fazio's entering was mistake IMO but it's not something surprising from Sampaoli.

                    I feel bad for Argentina but happy to see this joke of coach out of World cup.

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                    • #25
                      Great game, hope that Deschamps will learn that he don't need do defend after scoring first. Deserved victory for France and all well known fragilities that Argentina has were show today. They also had luck with 2nd goal but they didn't deserve to anything more that this.

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                      • #26
                        No surprise regarding who has qualify. This is the "legacy" of Maradona, Messi at this country. No wonder they have done nothing big the last years with an exception of some great players some years back.

                        - The most obvious thing someone can notice is that no coach has work with this team. There is no "1-2", neither fast transition in their game. There is only "one player get the ball and try alone the unnecessary extra something". And i'm not talking about Messi cause compare to the others, he is a much more team player. But again, this is their legacy. They have to play like that, they have to compete each other who is the better player, they have to do things solo. Messi simple cannot play at this team.

                        - The second and obvious again thing is the selection of players. Wrong from the very start, before leaving Argentina. Wrong at every game as a result. As an extend of the coach thing above, the selected players are like hobbits compare to other teams.

                        On the other hand, France looks strong but the only thing they had to do is play counter attack game at most of it since they had to face a group of bad defenders and a team at which 5-6 players in attack "must become the scorer" and forget how to defend as a "team". France show against Denmark and Australia that they struggle against teams that are playing defensively. And at the next round, they will face one from the pair of ultra defensive teams, Portugal or Uruguay. I prefer to have my feet on the ground than going hyper just because France won 4-2 against this Agrentina team. I'm not saying that France is a bad team, i'm just putting down all the facts.

                        Matuidi is out btw from the next game

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                        • #27
                          It was a cracker. But nobody could have predicted Pavard scoring that beauty, or DiMaria. Sometimes thing just happen, out of any kind of logic, so we have to remind ourself that we are using a very limited tool called logic in this wild world. Still i enjoyed altghough bit mad for France being down, but it would have been a travesty for this Argentina to eliminate France. And we saw France has definitelly weakeness but unlike group games they up their offensive game, full backs were much more into the game, Hernandez was a pleasure to watch, while Pavard owned by DiMaria defensivelly, had good contribution offensivelly. But midfield looks too pasive and its hard to really asses a team against such a mess of a team. Huge difference in quality, odds should have been way lower. Some good posts in here from Hashish or Fighter.
                          My country is the world...and my religion is to do good.

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                          • #28
                            And one more thing to add is the how much VAR has change the game. And this goes for all teams but i'm posting this here since Argentina has some dirty players too.

                            When VAR wasn't exist, the defender had more "courage" to make a dirty tackling inside the box. There was always a chance that his teammate will block the view of the referee. There was always a chance that the ref and his assistants wont see everything inside the box. With VAR now in our life, the defenders are doing second thoughts to go hard on an opponent or to do dirty things. This has change the game a lot and as a result, it allows more goals to be seen.

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                            • #29
                              Yep good point on VAR. I would also add that it emboldens referee decision making because they know that if they get it wrong VAR will fix it, while if they miss it they look bad. For example there have been a record 25 penalties awarded so far, 10 by VAR, overall an increase over past WC even accounting for VAR.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by latortuga View Post
                                I think we see a game similar to that between Argentina v Croatia. Sampaoli always sets up his teams to control possession while Deschamps has shown this tournament that he's happy to sit back, even against weaker opposition. Should be a pretty entertaining game with the chance for plenty of violence from both sides.

                                Argentina corner match bet @ 2.62
                                Over 4.5 cards @ 2.34
                                France over 1.5 goals @ 2.75
                                Nice, 3 of 3 ***128170;***128512;

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