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Group B - Third Round 25.06. 20:00 Spain - Morocco

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  • #16
    Morocco weren't that bad - they just didn't get the results so far...

    Belgium and England haven't really been tested in my opinion. Panama was by far the weakest side in the competition so I can't read too much into that.

    Germany and Argentina have been disappointing. I think there's a good chance Argentina won't qualify for the next round.

    I think France have done OK. They've played a very defensive football against weaker opponents so far but they've gotten the results... I can see France or Brazil in the finals.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Karl-Heinz View Post
      Ok.
      Hard to see a favourite for the title. France? No. Brazil? Hm, only if Neymar changes his whole behavior and play. Spain with hierro, no. Germany? No. Argies? lol.
      Belgium good vs minnows, England too.
      I would not be surprised if the Germans would be boosted by their win against the Swedes and showed a much improved form henceforward.

      Regarding England, Southgate continually played down the expectations regarding his team, and I think it might turn out very well for England and they can go far.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ellas98 View Post
        I would not be surprised if the Germans would be boosted by their win against the Swedes and showed a much improved form henceforward.

        Regarding England, Southgate continually played down the expectations regarding his team, and I think it might turn out very well for England and they can go far.
        Actually, the total picture that is to say the last friendlies plus the last 2 matches don't inspire confidence. No team has ever won the WC twice and I think this German side lack the "hunger" for a deep run in the competition.

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        • #19
          I think one very big advantage of England is that they got rid of some the elderly legends, that were holding the team back in some of the recent tournaments - Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry. Now their team is very young, probably the youngest England in several decades.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Miccho View Post
            I think one very big advantage of England is that they got rid of some the elderly legends, that were holding the team back in some of the recent tournaments - Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry. Now their team is very young, probably the youngest England in several decades.
            I find it difficult to assess their chances. They could be 1st tier contenders or not... For me, Brazil and France are 1st tier contenders together with Spain. I'm not convinced of this Spanish side though. Germany also don't click. They don't seem that ambitious and have run out of steam...

            I'm not sure whether England are 1st or 2nd tier contenders. Belgium and Uruguay for me are 2nd tier. I could see them in the SFs but that's about as far as it goes although I concede that I may be underestimating Belgium. In any case, right now I see Uruguay on a par with Colombia. Colombia have played some nice football and only lost their game against Japan because they were down a man for almost the entire game and switched to tactics that were too defensive. Still, they look like a dark horse that could potentially make it to the SFs.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by WiserthantheCrowd View Post
              Actually, the total picture that is to say the last friendlies plus the last 2 matches don't inspire confidence. No team has ever won the WC twice and I think this German side lack the "hunger" for a deep run in the competition.
              I would like to see Reus and Brandt in front. They were by far the sharpest Germans on the field. Their hunger might become infectious.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ellas98 View Post
                I would like to see Reus and Brandt in front. They were by far the sharpest Germans on the field. Their hunger might become infectious.
                The Germans typically gel at tournaments but I just don't think the hunger is there. I've also traveled quite a bit in Germany recently and I've found the mood to be very restrained compared to the last WCs and Euros - very few flags... It seems the public is saturated too...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by WiserthantheCrowd View Post
                  The Germans typically gel at tournaments but I just don't think the hunger is there. I've also traveled quite a bit in Germany recently and I've found the mood to be very restrained compared to the last WCs and Euros - very few flags... It seems the public is saturated too...
                  This is it. Hunger for international success is one of most crucial predictors of who will win the tournament. Both Germany and Spain do NOT look hungry. Neither do France, although they haven't won any silverware lately - but the guys don't seem to be very enthusiastic when they play for the national team.

                  Brazil, England and Belgium look hungry as hell for success. Argentina should be hungry in theory, but they are a complete mess and their psychology is too damaged after losing three consecutive finals.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Miccho View Post
                    This is it. Hunger for international success is one of most crucial predictors of who will win the tournament. Both Germany and Spain do NOT look hungry. Neither do France, although they haven't won any silverware lately - but the guys don't seem to be very enthusiastic when they play for the national team.

                    Brazil, England and Belgium look hungry as hell for success. Argentina should be hungry in theory, but they are a complete mess and their psychology is too damaged after losing three consecutive finals.
                    I agree about Germany and Spain. Germany have a lot of players from the last WC and these guys have been there and done that so the motivation isn't that high anymore. Having walloped Brazil in Brazil and then beaten Argentina in South America, they were on top of the world...

                    I'm not so sure about France. They've only got 8 players who were at the Euros so you'd assume that there is some ambition. I think the problem with France might be that they've got a pretty multinational squad and there certainly was tension in the dressing room within the squad and between the trainer in the past... This doesn't seem to hold true today but maybe some of the players don't feel a very high degree of identification and passion for France although they may click and bond as a team the longer this thing goes...

                    I agree about England and Belgium. I'm just not sure that England have the depth to go all the way... Belgium have the talent but lack the pedigree in this competition... At best, I could see them in the finals like NL in the past - I'd be really surprised if they go all the way... Argentina are just a mess as you say... And Brazil are, of course, favorites but not by a long shot...
                    Last edited by WiserthantheCrowd; 26-06-18, 00:40.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by WiserthantheCrowd View Post

                      I'm not so sure about France. They've only got 8 players who were at the Euros so you'd assume that there is some ambition. I think the problem with France might be that they've got a pretty multinational squad and there certainly was tension in the dressing room within the squad and between the trainer in the past...
                      The problem with France is that it is already the 3rd consecutive big tournament of this generation (more or less) in which they show no desire and zero intensity. Really hungry teams just don't play the way France did in the first two games. And I don't buy into this "they are saving energy" thing. How come England and Belgium didn't "save energy" against much weaker opponents? These two teams just have high mood and desire, something which is lacking in the French ranks.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Miccho View Post
                        The problem with France is that it is already the 3rd consecutive big tournament of this generation (more or less) in which they show no desire and zero intensity. Really hungry teams just don't play the way France did in the first two games. And I don't buy into this "they are saving energy" thing. How come England and Belgium didn't "save energy" against much weaker opponents? These two teams just have high mood and desire, something which is lacking in the French ranks.
                        England and Belgium were served Panama which was a low-hanging fruit - ripe for the picking... France got a bit surprised by Australia who presented themselves much better under van Maarwijk than before... And they played a good half hour against Peru before they switched to defensive tactics and held on to their lead... It was a bit surprising to see France using these tactics against a side like Peru but then again Deschamps had always said that he considered them to be the most dangerous team in their group which I would probably agree with. I think it's too early to come to a conclusion about France... I've come to a conclusion about Germany and Argentina - Spain less so and France even less...

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                        • #27
                          Still there is a big difference between Germany and Argentina. Argies are hopeless whereas Germany is somehow a dark horse, even for us.
                          Many Germans see the Sweden game as a turning point. Of course there is hunger now. If we rip Korea on wednesday, the country burns. I would probably too, but I cant deny our problems in defense. I sorely miss lahm (who always cared about defending) and warrior schweinsteiger. Then we had balance.
                          Löw is still a good choach, but in knockout stage he should go with Boateng, Hummels and Rüdiger/Süle. Then 2 offensive wing backs, only Kroos central, 2 wingers and maybe even Özil and Werner.
                          Most importantly we defend properly.
                          We still dream

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Karl-Heinz View Post
                            Still there is a big difference between Germany and Argentina. Argies are hopeless whereas Germany is somehow a dark horse, even for us.
                            Many Germans see the Sweden game as a turning point. Of course there is hunger now. If we rip Korea on wednesday, the country burns. I would probably too, but I cant deny our problems in defense. I sorely miss lahm (who always cared about defending) and warrior schweinsteiger. Then we had balance.
                            Löw is still a good choach, but in knockout stage he should go with Boateng, Hummels and Rüdiger/Süle. Then 2 offensive wing backs, only Kroos central, 2 wingers and maybe even Özil and Werner.
                            Most importantly we defend properly.
                            We still dream
                            True Argentina seems a hopeless case. You can't write Germany off yet... But somehow something is clearly amiss... Have you also noticed that the mood among German fans is very subdued this year?

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                            • #29
                              Germans weren***8217;t that optimistic this year. Then after the Mexico game 100s so called experts criticized the team so hard... but which country managed more semi-finals the last 20 years?
                              This is typical german..
                              but really.. after the kroos goal Germany woke up and now is fully in WC mood. Somehow strange but truely a bit accostomed to success.
                              If we do good vs SK our country is in Brazil mood again. Let***8217;s see how it continues..

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Karl-Heinz View Post
                                Germans weren***8217;t that optimistic this year. Then after the Mexico game 100s so called experts criticized the team so hard... but which country managed more semi-finals the last 20 years?
                                This is typical german..
                                but really.. after the kroos goal Germany woke up and now is fully in WC mood. Somehow strange but truely a bit accostomed to success.
                                If we do good vs SK our country is in Brazil mood again. Let***8217;s see how it continues..
                                OK, let's wait and see... I would expect Germany to easily beat this South Korean side who are virtually eliminated. I'd rate South Korea as one of the weakest teams in the competition just marginally better than Saudi Arabia and Panama... And now that they need a miracle to advance you've got to wonder how motivated they will be to play against Germany. I think the true test for Germany will come in the next rounds. I'd be truly surprised if they don't manage to beat South Korea by a margin of 1-2 goals.

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