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  • #61
    Originally posted by IGUANA View Post
    ...let me shine some light in your head...
    sorry, to continue on your level, in your style: I doubt you have enough light for your head...

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    • #62
      Iguana mate don't play a saint now, remember your excessive Barca bashings, whole page in livescore thread who is gay in the team? Come on...

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      • #63
        Suggestions/complaints/questions my ass

        This joke thread has no meaning and leads us nowhere. What is the point when all decisions are made in close circle. All I see here is an attempt to resolve personal misunderstandings and disagreements between mods/users..mods/ex mods..mods/mods wannabees. This is stupid and proves once again that this is the wrong way to solve things. I am not competent to say which is the right way, but obviously even some proven intellectuals here are not able to say that. Moderators have lost their compass and obviously most of them did not live up to the task. Maybe owner could solve problems?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Morbius View Post
          Iguana mate don't play a saint now, remember your excessive Barca bashings, whole page in livescore thread who is gay in the team? Come on...
          Of course I remember it, and I stand by that opinion

          Still, I don't see your point (probably because I'm not as smart as crishna)
          http://forum.bettingadvice.com/showp...90&postcount=1

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          • #65
            Originally posted by IGUANA View Post
            Of course I remember it, and I stand by that opinion

            Still, I don't see your point (probably because I'm not as smart as crishna)
            My point would be that we all had bad moments on BA which resulted in somewhat excessively inappropriate behavior from time to time and therefore the new rules were forced on us absolutely too fast. I really can't see why there wasn't any thoughts about resetting everything to zero and starting from that point on and we wouldn't have to fight right now. There weren't any murders or serious crimes committed ffs (as far as I know )

            Also there should be at least one mod active in some part of the day in livescore thread to immediately take action and prevent conflicts as they failed to do so in the past.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by danieljackson View Post
              ...the fact that livescore is not 40-pages thread now is only because there is no more garbage posts there, just live comments, plain picks and banter like it should be.
              sorry to disturb you, since you have the figures, could you tell me, last week, how many posts or percentage belongs to you, Iguana and Latso together and I would kindly ask you to compare them with your's figures from previous weeks???

              edit: or to make it more clear- if you minus your's posts(3 of you) what are the figures???
              Last edited by crishna; 21-02-12, 16:26.

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              • #67
                Crishna, your metaphor about BA as a football club is good one in general, but you make wrong allegories. Therefore let me make one myself (yes another block of text is under way so Iguana and rest get some cookies and milk if you wanna read it ).


                BA is like Barcelona (no some comparison to Barca-Real rivalry intended) - has great history, great renown around world.

                the structure of Barcelona is:

                President - that is Terje here

                Socios - fans who can decide about future of the club and can vote for changes. of course the process of selection is different here at BA, but ALL mods here have contributed or are still contributing and are 'fans' of BA, and calling them useless is simply a disgrace.

                All 'unofficial' fans around the world - anyone of them can be become a part of socios after a 'contribution', just like every of users here can become a mod here if the owner (Terje) decides you're worthy of it.



                Next, the rules in Barca are clear - if you dont pay yearly money, you're not a socio anymore. the same is going on here - if mods break some rules they get kicked out, it happened in the past; we're not untouchable, or like it was said 'communist dictators'.

                Also there are stadium rules, which all fans are supposed to abide. if you make some racist remarks or any other unwanted behavior - you get banned (usually for life) and cant enter the stadium anymore, same here - you break rules - you get ban, like recently it happened to Achilles or Beretta. And its not a secret that every club got 'special' fans who get second chances, but everyone's patience comes to an end, so did our.

                Like you said, everyone here can replaced. And (sadly) so are fans of football club, especially big one like Barcelona. people stop supporting their favorite team when there happens a change they dont like - selling of some player, making ticket prices higher, etc. but also some new ones come, when new player is bought, new stadium built - things like that.

                Some of Barca fans woke up one day and noticed that Barca's shirt is not plain anymore (that was one of old, sacred club traditions), but have UNICEF logo. And as a result some (especially older) fans turned their backs on Barca and club ownership, partially because it happened all of a sudden, and partially because people who have power to make decisions about the club made a change to a thing that was good before in their (the now unhappy fans') opinion.

                The club didnt wait 6 years to put one letter of word 'UNICEF' every year on the shirt to 'prepare' people for change, but they agreed on it and did it in best possible way (considering difficult circumstances that forced the change) using logo of non-profit foundation instead of logo of McDonalds, Pepsi or other worldwide known trademark - yes, thats remark to what CG wrote about that users should have had more time to adjust to new rules.
                Of course the reasons of the change are different, but we did it in the same way - 'changing' the old rules in livescore, which were common for few years, keeping in mind that is 'greater good' and unfortunately some 'fans' will decide to leave.

                But in our (mods) opinion thats the way BA should should go from now on. you and few of your friends made your statement about the change, however unless Terje decides you're right and the change was wrong, it's going to be here as it is now. and until (if at all) such thing happens if your personal vision of how BA should look is still different, you either have to accept it and abide new rules or you are free to go and create 'unofficial fan-club' - another forum in the meaning.

                We can't forbid that, but we (persons who made the change) also won't beg you to stay, despite you or few others are 'loyal fans' of BA.

                And the threats that BA will be empty when you're gone, are in fact empty, because we got 'new fans' joining us everyday, not many of them will become members of 'hall of fame' but we want those people to contribute in nice atmosphere, without threats or insults, because it has started to spread dangerously in recent weeks.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by crishna View Post
                  sorry to disturb you, since you have the figures, could you tell me, last week, how many posts or percentage belongs to you, Iguana and Latso together and I would kindly ask you to compare them with your's figures from previous weeks???
                  of course I can do that in the time I spend here, that'd probably take few hours (instead of 30 secs to check main forum page for the numbers I wrote and you just quote).

                  so please dont let some spammers bother you during that time and also in the meantime please write PM that I can forward later with apologies on my behalf to all new members that they had to wait few hours for activating their accounts and start posting here, because I had to prove you that your ego is quite too big and you and few your friends aren't the cornerstone of unimportant livescore thread like you think.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Morbius View Post
                    My point would be that we all had bad moments on BA which resulted in somewhat excessively inappropriate behavior from time to time and therefore the new rules were forced on us absolutely too fast. I really can't see why there wasn't any thoughts about resetting everything to zero and starting from that point on and we wouldn't have to fight right now. There weren't any murders or serious crimes committed ffs (as far as I know )

                    Also there should be at least one mod active in some part of the day in livescore thread to immediately take action and prevent conflicts as they failed to do so in the past.
                    The speed with which the new rules were implemented can seem a bit too fast to some people, but I don't think this was really the case... first of all, the rules didn't change that much, as we have just elaborated a bit on them making them more specific (as you can see, pretty much the rules are the same: no excessive cursing, no racist remarks, etc)... And so far, very few people have been banned since the new rules are in effect, and all of them for offenses that would have gotten them banned even 3 months ago. Also, before the new rules were posted, users of the livescore thread received a heads-up that the rules will very soon be modified, and they will be enforced more seriously (arsenal or arbiter posted that in a livescore thread). And even with resetting everything to zero, we still would have had this type of arguments, as there are some 'Guy Fawkes' around here, that will always find something to complain about (for example, crishna, who always had a big mouth about rules not being respected, and mods being inefficient... and lo and behold, now that the rules are being respected, the mods are still inefficient... that's just lol).

                    Of course, it would be ideal to have at least a mod at anytime to deal with issues, but we are all human: some of us have families, jobs, social lives, etc, so there are many times when there are 5-6 mods online, and other times when there isn't a single one. Besides, not all mods have banning powers, and if there's an idiot willing to start trouble, he will post crap much faster than a mod can delete it.
                    http://forum.bettingadvice.com/showp...90&postcount=1

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by crishna View Post
                      sorry to disturb you, since you have the figures, could you tell me, last week, how many posts or percentage belongs to you, Iguana and Latso together and I would kindly ask you to compare them with your's figures from previous weeks???

                      edit: or to make it more clear- if you minus your's posts(3 of you) what are the figures???
                      wow, that's a huge ego right there...

                      you think that even though the post count/visit rate of the livescore forum remained the same, the quality decreased because you stopped posting?

                      looooool, this is hilarious
                      http://forum.bettingadvice.com/showp...90&postcount=1

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                      • #71
                        and on the second thought i'm not sure why you are asking to check Iguana's Latso's and mine post figures. do you have anything against them that they post picks, comment live scores or just banter around - whats exactly the purpose of this thread, not insults and childish arguments like it was before they started to be active there again? or is there some more sophisticated reason, my IQ can't see?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by IGUANA View Post
                          and all of them for offenses that would have gotten them banned even 3 months ago.
                          not true, many cases of banning offences over the past 3 months have been ignored/overlooked simply because if the rules were carried out to the absolute letter, then mods would have had to have been banned as well. Ive lost count of the number of times i brought this up in mods, even DJ did, but it was completely ignored. Then all of a sudden lets stamp it out....totally hypocritical imo.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Steve C View Post
                            not true, many cases of banning offences over the past 3 months have been ignored/overlooked simply because if the rules were carried out to the absolute letter, then mods would have had to have been banned as well. Ive lost count of the number of times i brought this up in mods, even DJ did, but it was completely ignored. Then all of a sudden lets stamp it out....totally hypocritical imo.
                            I have great respect for what you did for this forum all these years... so I won't comment.
                            http://forum.bettingadvice.com/showp...90&postcount=1

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                            • #74
                              **** the respect, be honest.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Morbius View Post
                                My point would be that we all had bad moments on BA which resulted in somewhat excessively inappropriate behavior from time to time and therefore the new rules were forced on us absolutely too fast. I really can't see why there wasn't any thoughts about resetting everything to zero and starting from that point on and we wouldn't have to fight right now. There weren't any murders or serious crimes committed ffs (as far as I know )

                                Also there should be at least one mod active in some part of the day in livescore thread to immediately take action and prevent conflicts as they failed to do so in the past.
                                Hate to jojn this saga, but you seem like a reasonable person, with reasonable arguments and i want to ask you one thing - What exactly is the problem in your opinion about the whole development of the livescore?

                                Here are my statements (personal opinion) -

                                1. The new rules are fair.

                                2. No one has been banned Because of the new rules.

                                So what exactly is the problem?

                                Achilles was banned by the old rules (he'd be banned by any rules in the world in any forum for what he said to a moderator).

                                Being provoked is not an excuse to act out of line.

                                If you get a slap on the face you're not excused if you stab the guy with a knife.

                                So please tell me if you agree on points 1 and 2 then what exactly is to be discussed?

                                No sarcasm/offense meant, i just really want to understand whay are several pages of discussions, honestly.

                                Cheers

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