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    #31
    I don't know if I mentioned it here, but I advice you to read "Clockwork Orange", this book got me fixed for a couple of days.
    Thanks, Peter !
    Originally posted by DonJuanKieputo
    Im eating today chocclate like ****

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      #32
      Damn, I thought the thread was about bookmaker disscusions. lol

      I read when I can, but definetely not enough. And in general I have bad memory so I forget about the book after a while...

      I like to read classics, not modern writters. Guess cause want to escape from reality...

      Grew up with Hesse, then somehow I.B.Singer took my attention and fell in love with his novels and way of writting. Then Coelho, but haven't read many of his books. Just Alchemist, On the river..., and 11 minutes.

      Oh, and lately I'm reading Danielle Steel and I love it. lol

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        #33
        Coelho sucks, naive books, I didn't like it.
        Thanks, Peter !
        Originally posted by DonJuanKieputo
        Im eating today chocclate like ****

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          #34
          Originally posted by George_Hanson
          Coelho sucks, naive books, I didn't like it.
          yeah man ....that's true
          Originally posted by George_Hanson
          Legia is like Barcelona.

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            #35
            Originally posted by kamei24

            I like to read classics, not modern writters. Guess cause want to escape from reality...
            Great classics to me are ones from Jules Verne, like "From the Earth to the Moon" "Around the World in Eighty Days" "Under The Sea" etc. Very entertaining books, suitable for all ages.
            Also funny in the sense how technology were expected to develope in the future in the books, compared how it came to be in reality.
            No more betting for me.

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              #36
              my last book was Orwell`s 1984 and now i`m reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. i highly recommend both of them of them

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                #37
                "Crime and Punishment" by Dostoievski was a great book, i highly recomand it.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Goldeneye_hd
                  "Crime and Punishment" by Dostoievski was a great book, i highly recomand it.
                  Indeed. I also believe that its a great book.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by firewall
                    Originally posted by George_Hanson
                    Coelho sucks, naive books, I didn't like it.
                    yeah man ....that's true
                    Here comes the anti-snob band...lol
                    I'm sure that if no Holliwood blondies had red it and loved it, the Alchemist would be your fav book both.
                    But of course, it's impossible to like the same thing as the shallow American ppl so it might be a stupid book, right?lol

                    When i red the book i loved it. Then came the big cheering about it from all kind of actors and singers and the "moral" book reviewers started to go against it because of the same reasons above, nothing really connected with the book itself, just hating the fact that ppl stamped "stupid" likes it as well.

                    I'm far from this stuff, i judge the book by the text and this one i liked a huge lot. Call me stupid...

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                      #40
                      latso is right, but not entirely. Surely there are some people that have this kind of attitude because of those reasons, but the thing that I didn't like about the book was it's message. Of course I enjoyed reading, and I did it twice, just to be sure I get all the points. It was well and nicely written, but the message... I don't agree with all that 'Maktub - it was written' stuff, and although I respect Coelho's view.... just not one of my favorites.
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                        #41
                        Beautiful a highbrow discussion page for 'low life gamblers' like ourselves, what will the outside world think!!!

                        If we are recommending good books may I suggest The Road By Cormac McCarthy. Film buffs may see they have released a film version of one of his books "No Country for Old Men". He is an incredibly descriptive writer with a very dark outlook on things but I mean seriously hard to put down books.

                        I must say I am averse to anything Dan Brown puts on paper, I am big in to history books and older Detective thrillers and what becomes very apparent is Brown is a thief with one single talent and that is to repackage other peoples work and pass it off as his own. My apologies but thats how I feel about that.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by IGUANA
                          latso is right, but not entirely. Surely there are some people that have this kind of attitude because of those reasons, but the thing that I didn't like about the book was it's message. Of course I enjoyed reading, and I did it twice, just to be sure I get all the points. It was well and nicely written, but the message... I don't agree with all that 'Maktub - it was written' stuff, and although I respect Coelho's view.... just not one of my favorites.
                          buh, i had a mile long answer here but i mistook smth and went erased... ops:
                          Anyway, my point was that - yes i agree that if the message is smth ppl prioritize, then it might be seen as a bad ne.
                          But for me the most important things are - the style of writting and the story.
                          Even if the story is boring, the book might be a great one. Just like Airport by Arthur Hailey. The story is common but the style makes you read it till the end, especially after page 70...lol

                          I might love a book which gives the point of view of a terrorist or a suicidal guy. The message is not the first important thing for me, i know what is right and what is wrong so the two other points are what matters to me.

                          So, i loved the Alchemist. I agree that reading it more than 2 times is a waste of time but it was beautifully written and the story was interesting as well till the end.
                          It makes you think. And even if it tries to lead you on a way of seing things that is not your own, you are not obliged to follow. You just enjoyed reading the book and at the end it made you think, it made you or changing your mind about some things and seing it from a different angle, or realizing that your point of view is the right one by not agreing with the message.

                          In both cases, for me it is an important and interesting book. Not a classic but a must read.

                          Cheers

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by arsenalno1

                            How about sharing a chapter with us then? A little teaser...
                            Good idea, I think I'll do it... but it will take a couple of days, so that I can translate a few passages in English, as I'm writing it in Romanian. But I think I can upload a preview tomorrow
                            http://forum.bettingadvice.com/showp...90&postcount=1

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                              #44
                              Wow, a lot of books mentioned which I've read or are on my to-read-list (which is so long btw that I will only be able to catch up with it in this lifespan when I get some more spare time by producing many VERY profitable months of betting ).
                              - arsenalno1 started the thread with 'Veronika Decides To Die' by Coelho which I liked as well - I also read 'The Alchemist' and 'The Devil And Miss Prym' - good choices, too;
                              - George_Hanson's approach to stick with four/five books is an -errhm- interesting idea - nonetheless I fully agree that 'Catcher In The Rye', '1984' and 'Clockwork Orange' are fantastic to read and re-read. I could imagine that you like Kafka, too, George?
                              - 'The Dark Elf Trilogy' and the other books mentioned by arsenalno1, arbiter and bside do sound as if they are worth a look if I will ever get back to fantasy novels. Years back I was a fan of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, the 'Enwor'-Saga (Hohlbein), 'The Dark Company Chronicles' (Glen Cook) and Karl Edward Wagner's 'Kane', to name a few - esp the latter two force the reader to sympathize with rather evil characters which I always found to be much more interesting than reading about some goodie-goodie guys. And btw: I'm pretty sure that the user "Pfandleiher" who is hanging around here from time to time, derives his nick from the german translation of the character Pawnbroker of 'The Dark Company'.
                              - With 'Dune', like Iguana already pointed out, F.Herbert wrote a masterpiece. It's kinda hard though to get through all six books (I think I made a break of almost two years between 4th and 5th). Great film by Lynch btw - Baron Harkonnen left a deep impression ("That flying fat man!")
                              - latso named numerous authors I spent some time with; I remember when I read Kerouac's 'On The Road' for the first time when I was about 16-17 years old - I read the complete book in one session.
                              - @ Dostojewski: I didn't finish 'Crime&Punishment' (may try again); I've read 'The Idiot' which "gains a momentum like a huge, slow landslide". But you def need patience with those books.

                              Some all-time favs I can think of right now:
                              - Mikhail Bulgakov 'The Master And Margarita'
                              - Paul Watzlawick 'How To Fail Most Successfully' (there are times when I seem to be an expert in a betting related sense ) and 'The Situation Is Hopeless But Not Serious' (description: "For those who aren't talented enough to create their own hell, this book offers help and encouragement." LOL);
                              - William Gibson 'Neuromancer Trilogy' (it becomes more and more uptodate and was of immense influence)
                              - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 'Le Petit Prince' (and at least I want to read 'Vol de nuit', too);
                              - Laurence Sterne 'The Life And Opinions Of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman' (the language, the writing style, the story - and it contains the longest curse I've ever heard of....);
                              - Heinrich Mann 'Professor Unrat' (='The Blue Angel'; I can't stop laughing, esp at the beginning when school procedures are described);
                              - Sean McGuffin 'Der fette Bastard' (='The fat bastard', a schizoid, pseudo-autobiographical work never published in english because no publisher accepted the script ; I also read 'In Praise of Poteen' and started to read 'The Guineapigs'; sadly McGuffin died 2002 - "Beaten, but unbowed"! link: http://www.irishresistancebooks.com/john.htm )
                              - Almost everything by Iain Banks ( http://www.iain-banks.net/ ; it's somewhat difficult to describe - some books are plain sf, others are kind of thrillers - strange stories; I like the writing very much), John Steinbeck (I started out ten years ago with 'Tortilla Flat' and every once in a while I read another one), Albert Camus, Luis Sepulveda (!!!), Philippe Djian ('Betty Blue'-trilogy is well-known and there is more where that came from - kind of a french Bukowski/Kerouac-style), Herbert Rosendorfer ('Letters Back To Ancient China', 'German Suite', etc), TC Boyle (just finished 'Talk Talk', great reading as usual), Stanislav Lem (some time ago I even watched both 'Solaris' films; normally I hate films when I already have read the book, but in this case I think that the russian film directed by Tarkovsky is simply great and even the Soderbergh remake with Clooney has its moments).

                              Right now I'm reading 'Philosophie der Lebenskunst' by Wilhelm Schmid (='The Philosophy of the Art of Living' - looks like it is not available in english).

                              @Iguana: yeah, throw some pearls to us, so we can criticize ....

                              ps_sheesh, that got longer than I thought now....

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                                #45
                                so, as I promised, here are some lines from my novel:

                                "The Tower of Hope was the tallest tower of the Arcer castle. Tall, grayish, marked by the weather, but with all this, it still stood lordly over the castle. It was like a sentinel of Arcer, watching every move, seeing everything that happened in the city and around it. Watching the horizon from one of the tower's windows, the king closed his eyes, feeling the soft breeze, and suddenly, all his problems seemed far away. He saw himself sitting in an orchard, under the blooming trees. The flower's fragrances were floating in the air, pervading all of his senses. He felt in his nostrils the smell of the anukas flowers, the slushy perfume of the Korpus, or the fragrance of the red Erutes flowers. And besides the euphoria caused by the floral perfume, he had Arinna beside him. Honey seemed to be pouring out of her eyes, and he couldn't stop looking at her.
                                *********
                                Vertax watched from his tower Ediron's departure. He left the Grey-feather bastion on top of a proud royal griffin. The morning sun was shining, causing Ediron to shine along. Dressed in his silvery armor, the sword Sanir was hanging on his waist. The famous sword, inherited from his grandfather, was a little bended, while the hilt was shaped like two claws. In the sunlight, the sword had hues of fire. Ediron was wearing a linked hood, completing his great image, imposing respect to anyone.
                                *********
                                Suddenly, one of those soldiers lifted his head, starring right in Ediron's eyes. He grasped the hilt of his sword and took a backward step, trying to cope with the soldier's ice cold glance, which seemed to fasten him in place. Only a few moments lasted this clash of eyes, but for Ediron these moments seemed like an eternity. the oppressive silence was only making it harder for the general to endure. A sinister smile appeared on the soldier's face, while Edrion was trying to take a quick and correct decision. All of a sudden, several noises managed to break the lugubrious silence: noises of doors opening, of weapons, of steps and war shouts. They were surrounded.
                                "Defend yourselves" managed to shout Ediron before having to block the enemy's first sword stroke. Two-three moves and Ediron thrusted his sword deep into his opponent's wombs. The first one fell, but many more were coming towards him. The general of Torag was bravely handling his sword, slaughtering enemies left and right. Behind him, he could hear the sounds of the clash between his soldiers and those from Nurdoth. He was hearing the sound of metal on metal, shouts of anger, of rage and the sounds of dying griffins. Ediron blocked two more strikes and, with a simple twist of his hand, he beheaded another enemy."

                                waiting for opinions and criticism
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