EUROCUP second round 4/5.10.2011

pilot_tr · 03-10-11, 21:59

04.10.2011

18:00 Azovmash Mariupol v Ventspils + 4,5 / + 8,5 under/over= 149
18:00 Spartak St.Petersburg v Etha Encomi + 9,5 / +18,5 under/over=148
21:00 Cedevita Zagreb v Chalon Saone + 3,5 / +6,5 under/over=156
21:00 Dexia Mons +1,5/+2,5 v Besiktas milangaz under/over=158
21:30 Le Mans v Pinar Karsiyaka + 5,5 /+10,5 under/over=151
22:30 Gran Canaria v Artland Dragons +5,5/+10,5 under/over=143

05.10.2011

19:00 Prostejov v Lukoil Academic +2,5/+4,5 under/over=146
21:30 Oostende v Norrköping Dolphins + 12,5/+22,5 under/over=159

times are Turkish local time... handicups and u/o's from Local Betting firm Iddaa...lets share information about the second matches..missing players??..player left or arrived??..the comments about the first games...lets share...information is great when its shared

..Good luck in second round...please be carefull and try to kick a.. of bookies

pilot_tr · 03-10-11, 22:11

the biggest enemy of the Tukish players is FREE THROWS...karsiyaka scored 13/25 from free throw line

..2/14 from 3points....i think this game gonna be different...im waiting more consantration.better shooting percentage and ofcourse lemans will score lots of points (especially from free throws)...7 poinnts different is big against lemans...and if your team is not experienced...here ill pick over 151 ...this is one of my picks...

lemans -ksk...over 151...5/10...
and ill pick lemans -5.5 first half...6/10...lemans gonna finish in first half...
and if they make double digit hc in first half...this match gonna be over 151 very easily

aron49 · 03-10-11, 22:52

Best is skip all these games,totally unpredictable.

pilot_tr · 04-10-11, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron49

Best is skip all these games,totally unpredictable.

as u can remember the recent years ..some teams really playing good at home...grancanaria forexample..they always make good defence and also they can cover the first half hcup...spanish teams always make difference...gran canaria plays good at home..im sure they will try to keep artland under 60 points and also they will try to make big score difference in first half...

under 143 5/10
and also ill also take -5.5 first half handicup 5/10

wish u good luck..with your no picks

..it s a good way to make money also

pilot_tr · 04-10-11, 11:10

st petersburg was really struggling in first match in last period they were 15 points ahead and when the match ended they beaten ethna with 1 point...the important thig here is their out of paint shooters r not good ..i have already taken +18.5 for ethna....they willtry to do best and players r good also...and it will be a hard match also..both side will try to keep good defence till the end...and try to force eachother 3 points shooting again

under 148.5 5/10
and ethna +18.5 5/10

Wizz_82 · 04-10-11, 14:40

CEDEVITA ZAGREB - CHALON SAONE

First game finished 78:73 for French side, five points deficit for Croatian side. Cedevita is relatively a new club on European scene but last year they were on Final four of Eurocup, and they enter this season with similar goal. After takeover by one of biggest Croatian companies few years ago Cedevita became stable and strong side and is probably considered currently as best Croatian side. Their board is very realistic and they admit they could never compete with best European sides, and they say goal is to make Cedevita a respectable European team. Paychecks are never late, club has healthy grounds, they invested lot in School of basketball, many ex players work inside club and they show signs of great progression from year to year, they have clear vision what they want and stable funds which support it. Perhaps after twilight zone Croatian basketball has found itself in after European championship (we reached lowest branches ever), although we went there with one of most youngest and prosperous teams, something in team broke and everything collapsed in Croatian basketball. Cibona also after 20 years didn't qualify for Euroleague, although to be honest they don't belong anymore there, but its still a shock. So Cedevita is perhaps the only light in this darkness of Croatian basketball.

Now about players, main player, last seasons MVP of Eurocup naturalized Croatian Dontaye Draper. His skill is never in doubt only question is did grey displays in national team which is he now part off leave some trace on his confidence. After him its of course Smodis, no words needed, Euroleague winner says it all. Massive experience and quality, surely biggest transfer for Cedevita. Chris Warren also very interesting player who left big trace in Croatian basketball when he played for Cibona five years ago, and was one of best players when Cibona was serious European side. Haywood Owens showed in first game he's very strong reinforcement for Cedevita and saved them in crucial moments of first match. Beside that in Vukusic, Bazdaric, Car and Princ Cedevita have players who can do things asked when needed, no doubt players with quality, at least for this level. To last season their main lost is perhaps Rudez leaving but in general Cedevita looks stronger than last year.

To conclude, Cedevita has much more quality than Chalon, i don't doubt that. There are new players but coach Anzulovic is very familiar with club and after all he worked with most of players in past. Maybe new players don't have team routine still, and maybe that caused dark period in first game where they at one moment trailed 22 points. But again they showed mental power and came back and got decent result. I strongly back this Cedevita side to again reach far in Eurocup, they have needed quality. I expect with all troubles in our basketball that there will be full crowd tonight, as Cedevita is perhaps with all problems in our basketball, only team we can smile about and its obvious it attracts more and more followers every year, just with honest work, modest behavior and clear and open finances. After what happened in first game i thing Cedevita in front of full crowd will punish Chalon for missed chance in first game, also their experience from last season is great capital, am almost certain in Cedevita win and i'll put some on Cedevita to progress.

Cedevita to win @ 1.30
Cedevita -7.5 @ 1.85

pilot_tr · 04-10-11, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizz_82

CEDEVITA ZAGREB - CHALON SAONE

First game finished 78:73 for French side, five points deficit for Croatian side. Cedevita is relatively a new club on European scene but last year they were on Final four of Eurocup, and they enter this season with similar goal. After takeover by one of biggest Croatian companies few years ago Cedevita became stable and strong side and is probably considered currently as best Croatian side. Their board is very realistic and they admit they could never compete with best European sides, and they say goal is to make Cedevita a respectable European team. Paychecks are never late, club has healthy grounds, they invested lot in School of basketball, many ex players work inside club and they show signs of great progression from year to year, they have clear vision what they want and stable funds which support it. Perhaps after twilight zone Croatian basketball has found itself in after European championship (we reached lowest branches ever), although we went there with one of most youngest and prosperous teams, something in team broke and everything collapsed in Croatian basketball. Cibona also after 20 years didn't qualify for Euroleague, although to be honest they don't belong anymore there, but its still a shock. So Cedevita is perhaps the only light in this darkness of Croatian basketball.

Now about players, main player, last seasons MVP of Eurocup naturalized Croatian Dontaye Draper. His skill is never in doubt only question is did grey displays in national team which is he now part off leave some trace on his confidence. After him its of course Smodis, no words needed, Euroleague winner says it all. Massive experience and quality, surely biggest transfer for Cedevita. Chris Warren also very interesting player who left big trace in Croatian basketball when he played for Cibona five years ago, and was one of best players when Cibona was serious European side. Haywood Owens showed in first game he's very strong reinforcement for Cedevita and saved them in crucial moments of first match. Beside that in Vukusic, Bazdaric, Car and Princ Cedevita have players who can do things asked when needed, no doubt players with quality, at least for this level. To last season their main lost is perhaps Rudez leaving but in general Cedevita looks stronger than last year.

To conclude, Cedevita has much more quality than Chalon, i don't doubt that. There are new players but coach Anzulovic is very familiar with club and after all he worked with most of players in past. Maybe new players don't have team routine still, and maybe that caused dark period in first game where they at one moment trailed 22 points. But again they showed mental power and came back and got decent result. I strongly back this Cedevita side to again reach far in Eurocup, they have needed quality. I expect with all troubles in our basketball that there will be full crowd tonight, as Cedevita is perhaps with all problems in our basketball, only team we can smile about and its obvious it attracts more and more followers every year, just with honest work, modest behavior and clear and open finances. After what happened in first game i thing Cedevita in front of full crowd will punish Chalon for missed chance in first game, also their experience from last season is great capital, am almost certain in Cedevita win and i'll put some on Cedevita to progress.

Cedevita to win @ 1.30
Cedevita -7.5 @ 1.85

maybe it can be over also..but im with your pick ..i already added this firsthalf hc on one of my combo

aron49 · 04-10-11, 15:45

Croatian tipsters are a bit subjective always when prodicting own national teams,I guess.
I guess this is going to be very tense game till the end.I don't see Cedevita with much more quality here,they were outplayed in France in bigger part of game.

Wizz_82 · 04-10-11, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron49

Croatian tipsters are a bit subjective always when prodicting own national teams

Couldn't agree more on that, just i'm not one of them, which u can see on most of my other posts like considering Croatian national team in football, our clubs in Europe and so. I consider myself realistic, i'm one who first says when something is wrong and if something i don't like. Here in case of Cedevita, i really believe in their quality. They are our most honest, hardworking club and example for any sport club in our country, they show that with modest behavior, hard work and fair relations inside and outside club u can achieve anything. They should be example for any sport club in our country, at least i know they'll fight to end and die on court if needed, and such things mostly always get rewarded.

aron49 · 04-10-11, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizz_82

Couldn't agree more on that, just i'm not one of them, which u can see on most of my other posts like considering Croatian national team in football, our clubs in Europe and so. I consider myself realistic, i'm one who first says when something is wrong and if something i don't like. Here in case of Cedevita, i really believe in their quality. They are our most honest, hardworking club and example for any sport club in our country, they show that with modest behavior, hard work and fair relations inside and outside club u can achieve anything. They should be example for any sport club in our country, at least i know they'll fight to end and die on court if needed, and such things mostly always get rewarded.

You are very good and objective tipster,no doubt about that,just wanted to say that we are a bit subjective already being Croatians and not from some neutral countries.
Sometimes that is useful,sometimes not.

pilot_tr · 04-10-11, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot_tr

st petersburg was really struggling in first match in last period they were 15 points ahead and when the match ended they beaten ethna with 1 point...the important thig here is their out of paint shooters r not good ..i have already taken +18.5 for ethna....they willtry to do best and players r good also...and it will be a hard match also..both side will try to keep good defence till the end...and try to force eachother 3 points shooting again

under 148.5 5/10
and ethna +18.5 5/10

49-36 first half ended 12 turover from ethna and nice shooting percentage from Saints...if st. were better in free throws...it could have been 20 points difference ..they r 12/23 in first half...

yunfat · 04-10-11, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizz_82

CEDEVITA ZAGREB - CHALON SAONE

First game finished 78:73 for French side, five points deficit for Croatian side. Cedevita is relatively a new club on European scene but last year they were on Final four of Eurocup, and they enter this season with similar goal. After takeover by one of biggest Croatian companies few years ago Cedevita became stable and strong side and is probably considered currently as best Croatian side. Their board is very realistic and they admit they could never compete with best European sides, and they say goal is to make Cedevita a respectable European team. Paychecks are never late, club has healthy grounds, they invested lot in School of basketball, many ex players work inside club and they show signs of great progression from year to year, they have clear vision what they want and stable funds which support it. Perhaps after twilight zone Croatian basketball has found itself in after European championship (we reached lowest branches ever), although we went there with one of most youngest and prosperous teams, something in team broke and everything collapsed in Croatian basketball. Cibona also after 20 years didn't qualify for Euroleague, although to be honest they don't belong anymore there, but its still a shock. So Cedevita is perhaps the only light in this darkness of Croatian basketball.

Now about players, main player, last seasons MVP of Eurocup naturalized Croatian Dontaye Draper. His skill is never in doubt only question is did grey displays in national team which is he now part off leave some trace on his confidence. After him its of course Smodis, no words needed, Euroleague winner says it all. Massive experience and quality, surely biggest transfer for Cedevita. Chris Warren also very interesting player who left big trace in Croatian basketball when he played for Cibona five years ago, and was one of best players when Cibona was serious European side. Haywood Owens showed in first game he's very strong reinforcement for Cedevita and saved them in crucial moments of first match. Beside that in Vukusic, Bazdaric, Car and Princ Cedevita have players who can do things asked when needed, no doubt players with quality, at least for this level. To last season their main lost is perhaps Rudez leaving but in general Cedevita looks stronger than last year.

To conclude, Cedevita has much more quality than Chalon, i don't doubt that. There are new players but coach Anzulovic is very familiar with club and after all he worked with most of players in past. Maybe new players don't have team routine still, and maybe that caused dark period in first game where they at one moment trailed 22 points. But again they showed mental power and came back and got decent result. I strongly back this Cedevita side to again reach far in Eurocup, they have needed quality. I expect with all troubles in our basketball that there will be full crowd tonight, as Cedevita is perhaps with all problems in our basketball, only team we can smile about and its obvious it attracts more and more followers every year, just with honest work, modest behavior and clear and open finances. After what happened in first game i thing Cedevita in front of full crowd will punish Chalon for missed chance in first game, also their experience from last season is great capital, am almost certain in Cedevita win and i'll put some on Cedevita to progress.

Cedevita to win @ 1.30
Cedevita -7.5 @ 1.85

You definetly know about Cedevita, thanks for your opinion. But do you know enough to do this preview? Did you talk about 1 player from Chalon?
1.3 ML is it value when Cedevita lost by 5 in France after being down by 22 pts during the game (won last quarter by 15 when Chalon did a player turnover).
I agree with the previous message, people from ex yougoslavia are not objective, sorry mates. They are just talking about their team and push readers to bet on them.
Writting 40 lines about a match without naming 1 single player of the other team is missing something I guess. Chalon is a strong team with top players like Schilb (TOP 3 Mvp France last year), tchicamboud was with the french national team at Euro. Lauvergne, Aboudou and Lang are playing for France Under 20 team. Delaney, Evtimov and Smith are good players and Aminu should IMO play in a better league than France, great talent. Adolphe is a strong center.
On the other side I see Dontaye Draper as a good player but nothing special , Smodis is not the player he has used to be...
Chalon lost this week end at Nancy 89-83. Supercup match. And Nancy is IMO a better team than Cedevita. Batum was MVP of this game for Nancy (30 evaluation).
IMO correct line should be around -6/-6.5

Ginghis Khan · 04-10-11, 17:22

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Originally Posted by yunfat

You definetly know about Cedevita, thanks for your opinion. But do you know enough to do this preview? Did you talk about 1 player from Chalon?
1.3 ML is it value when Cedevita lost by 5 in France after being down by 22 pts during the game (won last quarter by 15 when Chalon did a player turnover).
I agree with the previous message, people from ex yougoslavia are not objective, sorry mates. They are just talking about their team and push readers to bet on them.
Writting 40 lines about a match without naming 1 single player of the other team is missing something I guess. Chalon is a strong team with top players like Schilb (TOP 3 Mvp France last year), tchicamboud was with the french national team at Euro. Lauvergne, Aboudou and Lang are playing for France Under 20 team. Delaney, Evtimov and Smith are good players and Aminu should IMO play in a better league than France, great talent. Adolphe is a strong center.
On the other side I see Dontaye Draper as a good player but nothing special , Smodis is not the player he has used to be...
Chalon lost this week end at Nancy 89-83. Supercup match. And Nancy is IMO a better team than Cedevita. Batum was MVP of this game for Nancy (30 evaluation).
IMO correct line should be around -6/-6.5

Nancy and Chalon are not better than Cedevita... but this is your opinion.. preview is solid done.. because in this game is all about Cedevita.. Draper is cery good when playing for club.. Warren is great and so long.. French teams are not doing well in away matches.. Cedevitas chances to move on are about 80%..

Wizz_82 · 04-10-11, 17:29

Know Chalon is a good team, bet sometimes on them. Just from what i saw i know Cedevita underperformed heavily in first leg, and still managed to get away with decent result, and i honestly think Chalon lost chance in France, u just can't spoil 22 points advantage in 5 mins, its also sign of weakness. I don't expect similar today, and its home ground. General atmosphere is that its main game of the season. I agree for Draper and Smodis, i don't think they are top class material, was talking more in sense of level of Eurocup, although still one Smodis has waste experience and is still more than needed Euroleague material, maybe not for best best teams but still its Smodis. Only problem is how much is this Cedevita team played in with new players. If Cedevita performs on similar level like last year and do a decent performance it must be enough.

pilot_tr · 04-10-11, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot_tr

st petersburg was really struggling in first match in last period they were 15 points ahead and when the match ended they beaten ethna with 1 point...the important thig here is their out of paint shooters r not good ..i have already taken +18.5 for ethna....they willtry to do best and players r good also...and it will be a hard match also..both side will try to keep good defence till the end...and try to force eachother 3 points shooting again

under 148.5 5/10
and ethna +18.5 5/10

under 148.5 +
ethna +18.5 - i wish it were ended 83-65...

wabalas · 04-10-11, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizz_82

CEDEVITA ZAGREB - CHALON SAONE

First game finished 78:73 for French side, five points deficit for Croatian side. Cedevita is relatively a new club on European scene but last year they were on Final four of Eurocup, and they enter this season with similar goal. After takeover by one of biggest Croatian companies few years ago Cedevita became stable and strong side and is probably considered currently as best Croatian side. Their board is very realistic and they admit they could never compete with best European sides, and they say goal is to make Cedevita a respectable European team. Paychecks are never late, club has healthy grounds, they invested lot in School of basketball, many ex players work inside club and they show signs of great progression from year to year, they have clear vision what they want and stable funds which support it. Perhaps after twilight zone Croatian basketball has found itself in after European championship (we reached lowest branches ever), although we went there with one of most youngest and prosperous teams, something in team broke and everything collapsed in Croatian basketball. Cibona also after 20 years didn't qualify for Euroleague, although to be honest they don't belong anymore there, but its still a shock. So Cedevita is perhaps the only light in this darkness of Croatian basketball.

Now about players, main player, last seasons MVP of Eurocup naturalized Croatian Dontaye Draper. His skill is never in doubt only question is did grey displays in national team which is he now part off leave some trace on his confidence. After him its of course Smodis, no words needed, Euroleague winner says it all. Massive experience and quality, surely biggest transfer for Cedevita. Chris Warren also very interesting player who left big trace in Croatian basketball when he played for Cibona five years ago, and was one of best players when Cibona was serious European side. Haywood Owens showed in first game he's very strong reinforcement for Cedevita and saved them in crucial moments of first match. Beside that in Vukusic, Bazdaric, Car and Princ Cedevita have players who can do things asked when needed, no doubt players with quality, at least for this level. To last season their main lost is perhaps Rudez leaving but in general Cedevita looks stronger than last year.

To conclude, Cedevita has much more quality than Chalon, i don't doubt that. There are new players but coach Anzulovic is very familiar with club and after all he worked with most of players in past. Maybe new players don't have team routine still, and maybe that caused dark period in first game where they at one moment trailed 22 points. But again they showed mental power and came back and got decent result. I strongly back this Cedevita side to again reach far in Eurocup, they have needed quality. I expect with all troubles in our basketball that there will be full crowd tonight, as Cedevita is perhaps with all problems in our basketball, only team we can smile about and its obvious it attracts more and more followers every year, just with honest work, modest behavior and clear and open finances. After what happened in first game i thing Cedevita in front of full crowd will punish Chalon for missed chance in first game, also their experience from last season is great capital, am almost certain in Cedevita win and i'll put some on Cedevita to progress.

Cedevita to win @ 1.30
Cedevita -7.5 @ 1.85

The thing we learned from that all is that Cedevita is good team, which has great club atmosphere and so on. But the thing is that maybe you say some of these thing on french side, too. I understand, that home crowd will be big impact here, but even so, Chalon showed how strong they are at first game and everyone is underestimating them because of bad last quater in first game. I believe that quality at these days are on french team side. As you may see french teams are surprisingly good form right now, while other teams struggle more. I think odds are really high on away side and considering, that they could afford losing up to 4 points, i believe that their win is worth a shot. Even though they are losing by 2-3 points, Cedevita will have to try win by 5, and of course if Chalon is losing by 6, they have to try lose less. This fact gives more value on away win, than on their handicap, at least i think so.

aron49 · 04-10-11, 18:29

1,30 on Cedevita is a joke for me really.

Ginghis Khan · 04-10-11, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron49

1,30 on Cedevita is a joke for me really.

and your posts are not helping.. write your analyses or previews.

pilot_tr · 04-10-11, 20:31

im follwing dexia mons - besiktas match rite now...here the statics of NBA all star Deron williams

it s a joke.. 33minutes passed ...last quarter and 1/9 total shooting percentage...1/5 2 points...0/4 3 points...0/ 3 free throws...6 turn over...6 asist

very well...and 3 personel faults...i think european teams also take part in NBA...

this match is a joke..and i cannot watch it ...

Ginghis Khan · 04-10-11, 21:06

84:69 FT Cedevita

wabalas and aron49 great posts.. helping a lot here..

Wizz_82 · 04-10-11, 21:12

CEDEVITA - CHALON 84:69

Cedevita to win @ 1.30
Cedevita -7.5 @ 1.85
Both tips passed.

Rollercoaster game, from one team to other, but in key moments Cedevita showed great mental composure and by my opinion it all comes from healthy situation inside club i talked above, its usually like that, when game breaks then team spirit comes to rescue. 5 Cedevita players in double figures, Draper more than excellent, in key moments took responsibility and delivered. Expect this Cedevita side when new players settle more in to present even better displays. Again "dark horse" of Eurocup, team who can reach very very far, although after last year nobody is considering them outsiders and it will be tough, but i do believe in quality of this team.

pilot_tr · 04-10-11, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot_tr

as u can remember the recent years ..some teams really playing good at home...grancanaria forexample..they always make good defence and also they can cover the first half hcup...spanish teams always make difference...gran canaria plays good at home..im sure they will try to keep artland under 60 points and also they will try to make big score difference in first half...

under 143 5/10
and also ill also take -5.5 first half handicup 5/10

wish u good luck..with your no picks

..it s a good way to make money also

50-41first half pick won...under %99 lost

pilot_tr · 04-10-11, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot_tr

the biggest enemy of the Tukish players is FREE THROWS...karsiyaka scored 13/25 from free throw line

..2/14 from 3points....i think this game gonna be different...im waiting more consantration.better shooting percentage and ofcourse lemans will score lots of points (especially from free throws)...7 poinnts different is big against lemans...and if your team is not experienced...here ill pick over 151 ...this is one of my picks...

lemans -ksk...over 151...5/10...
and ill pick lemans -5.5 first half...6/10...lemans gonna finish in first half...
and if they make double digit hc in first half...this match gonna be over 151 very easily

45-46 first half result half time hc pick lost
80-78 over pick won

aron49 · 04-10-11, 22:43

[QUOTE=Wizz_82;1687511]CEDEVITA - CHALON 84:69

Cedevita to win @ 1.30
Cedevita -7.5 @ 1.85
Both tips passed.

QUOTE]

Bravo Wizz....I didn't trust them so much...

aron49 · 04-10-11, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ginghis Khan

84:69 FT Cedevita

wabalas and aron49 great posts.. helping a lot here..

Ok,ok...congratulations on good previews....
I see that you are hot last a few days and flying high with picks..tell me kindly if would be possible for you to post a bit earlier your picks? Bcz I lost some money a few days ago betting on baskett and maybe after 1 hour appeared your winning pick here.

monky · 05-10-11, 11:13

thanks for picks, guys... keep moving with this job...