Adriatic NLB League 8th-10,12,13th Oct

djasmu · 07-10-10, 18:35

Round 1

antimon · 07-10-10, 19:15

let's start wtih the first game

Hemofarm - Cibona

facts about Cibona:
-huge financial problems, and lost 3 big names from last season, two great players Tomas and Gordon and coach Perasovi***263;
-lost also two starting big players, Vuku***353;i***263; and Andri***263;, and some players used in rotation left the team: Troha, Udrih, Bagari***263;, (Ivan Tomas

)
-from starting five only young Bogdanovi***263; stayed, who will probably be the first name of this team
-our biggest transfers are Rok Stip***269;evi***263;

(ex Zadar), Jure Lali***263; (ex. Charleroi), Drago Pa***353;ali***263; (ex. xacobeu) and some american marcus johnson (from USC college)..
-new coach is Zdravko Radulovi***263; who coached Zagreb and cedevita and his knowledge is questionable
-team is really young and we can't expect some spectacular results this season
-roster:
PG: stip***269;evi***263;, vragovi***263;
SG and SF: johnson, bogdanovi***263;, vrbanc, rozi***263;, brnas
PG and C: lali***263;, pa***353;ali***263;, dela***353;, rado***353;evi***263;, zub***269;i***263;
-lali***263; and rozi***263; are injured and won't play tommorrow..
-here are Cibona's preseason games

VEF Riga - Cibona 80:75
VEF Riga: Sandis 16, Derek 14, Kristaps 12, Kaspars 9, Ivan 11, Patric 4, Tyler 6, Andrejs, Dairis 4 , Artsiom 4
Cibona: Stip***269;evi***263; 7, Bogdanovi***263; 24, Johnson 7, Zub***269;i***263; 2, Pa***353;ali***263; 13, Vragovi***263;, Vrbanc 2, Rado***353;evi***263; 14, Dela***353; 6

Cibona - Turk Telekom 97:85 (16:16, 29:18, 28:29, 24:22)
Cibona: Stip***269;evi***263; 24, Bogdanovi***263; 19, Johnson 8, Zub***269;i***263; 19, Pa***353;ali***263; 11, Vragovi***263; 4, Rado***353;evi***263; 7, Dela***353; 5.
Turk Telekom: KZell Wesson 22, Heiko Schaffartzik 3, Umit 1, Orhan Haciyeva 8, Rasim Basak 6, Mehmet Yagmur, Adem Oren 2, Yunus Cankaya 16, Marquis Gilstrap 4, Larry Owens 14, Diamon Simpson 9, Can Ugur Ogut

Be***353;ikta***353; - Cibona 75:60 (23:10, 19:13, 17:20, 16:17)
Be***353;ikta***353;: Likholitov 9, Ismail, Bekir 3, Mustafa 9, Cuneyt, Serhat 6, Akin, Ignerski 12, Chatman 6, Cevher 18, Ogilvy 12
Cibona: Stip***269;evi***263; 3, Bogdanovi***263; 17, Lali***263; 2, Zub***269;i***263;, Pa***353;ali***263; 12, Vragovi***263; 8, Vrbanc 2, Johnson 11, Dela***353; 5

Cibona - Bosna 67:66 (we saw what Nancy did to bosna few days ago)

Budu***263;nost - Cibona 73:62 (19:14, 22:13, 15:16, 17:19)

On the other side we have Hemofarm, who has a nice team, like every year.

Last 12 meatings:
24/01-10 NLB Cibona vs. Hemofarm Stada 55:57
01/11-09 NLB Hemofarm Stada vs. Cibona 82:82
94:96 (Prod.)
16/04-09 NLB liga Doigravanje Cibona vs. Hemofarm Stada 77:65
23/12-08 NLB Cibona vs. Hemofarm Stada 79:75
04/10-08 NLB Hemofarm Stada vs. Cibona 86:76
22/12-07 NLB Hemofarm Stada vs. Cibona 88:76
06/10-07 NLB Cibona vs. Hemofarm Stada 79:74
04/02-07 NLB Cibona vs. Hemofarm Stada 97:92
14/10-06 NLB Hemofarm Stada vs. Cibona 86:72
21/04-06 NLB Cibona vs. Hemofarm Stada 77:77
83:91 (Prod.)
04/02-06 NLB Cibona vs. Hemofarm Stada 88:63
30/10-05 NLB Hemofarm Stada vs. Cibona 89:66

i think it's a HW

EDIT: OMG what's with the letters

EDIT2: here a nice preview but only on croatian: http://www.zadarskilist.hr/clanci/04...enija-nlb-liga

baresumanovica · 07-10-10, 20:29

very intresting info
http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/o...repitev/241006

The Gravedigger · 08-10-10, 08:18

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Originally Posted by baresumanovica

very intresting info
http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/o...repitev/241006

For those who don`t understand,it says that all new players for Olimpija can`t play first round because they aren`t registred on time (all players arrived after 23.09. can`t play this match).

npb · 08-10-10, 11:38

Will be decided today (PM time), http://www.siol.net/sportal/kosarka/...okrepitev.aspx

Players made a lawsuit against their club on FIBA level cause they didn't get their salaries thus atm FIBA doesn't allow new players to be registered for tomorrows match (until old debts are payed or some arrangement with players is made).

Odds from local
https://www.e-stave.com/Stave/Stavna...=1286535196465

19:55 3050 Union Olimpija-Partizan Igokea

1 0 2 10 02
1,35 15,00 2,85 1,24 2,40

kfcpro · 08-10-10, 11:55

damn,this problem with letters really can mess up

npb · 08-10-10, 12:02

Yep, forum messes up our letters:

kfcpro · 08-10-10, 12:58

i think same is with ours

***322; ***263;

yep,exactly,so lads ,especially here ion this topic where every surname has such letters,lets try not to use native letters

Wiseguy · 08-10-10, 17:25

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Originally Posted by npb

Will be decided today (PM time), http://www.siol.net/sportal/kosarka/...okrepitev.aspx

Players made a lawsuit against their club on FIBA level cause they didn't get their salaries thus atm FIBA doesn't allow new players to be registered for tomorrows match (until old debts are payed or some arrangement with players is made).

Odds from local
https://www.e-stave.com/Stave/Stavna...=1286535196465

19:55 3050 Union Olimpija-Partizan Igokea

1 0 2 10 02
1,35 15,00 2,85 1,24 2,40

Igokea is worst team in NLB but they can maybe cover 9.5 points if Olimpia without their new signings. Please come back with news about them.

Zebra$ · 08-10-10, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy

Igokea is worst team in NLB but they can maybe cover 9.5 points if Olimpia without their new signings. Please come back with news about them.

Not really. Crvena Zvezda and Siroki are quite poor this year.

djasmu · 08-10-10, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy

Igokea is worst team in NLB but they can maybe cover 9.5 points if Olimpia without their new signings. Please come back with news about them.

Please tell me your reason for that because for me, they could be positive surprise this season. They brought some good players, at least "good" for NLB league, financial situation is very good, they had some good results in pre-games...

Wiseguy · 08-10-10, 18:32

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Originally Posted by djasmu

Please tell me your reason for that because for me, they could be positive surprise this season. They brought some good players, at least "good" for NLB league, financial situation is very good, they had some good results in pre-games...

Well I think NLB is stronger then past years and Igokea coming from very very weak league, they do not have any experience,bad travelers and all in all bad roster. This is new team from bosnian village with no tradition and I can not see how they will avoid bottom of the table. I watched them last year against Siroki,Bosna and I am sure that they are worst team in NL together with Siroki. You can maybe add Krka there to bad not sure about them.

djasmu · 08-10-10, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy

Well I think NLB is stronger then past years and Igokea coming from very very weak league, they do not have any experience,bad travelers and all in all bad roster. This is new team from bosnian village with no tradition and I can not see how they will avoid bottom of the table. I watched them last year against Siroki,Bosna and I am sure that they are worst team in NL together with Siroki. You can maybe add Krka there to bad not sure about them.

for the start, I think NLB is less quallity than last season

A lot of quallity players left ( from Cibona, Partizan, Hemofarm, Zadar...) and I think this season will be more equal.
About Igokea, they have 7 or 8 new players compared to last season and some of they are well know names as Nadjfeji, Vitkovac, Pantic, Dozet...

Anyway, time will show who are they but I think that no one will have easy job in Laktasi

npb · 08-10-10, 20:43

Summary in short words:
On the press conference @12.15 PM they didnt tell anything new (beside some more fog)
http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/z...41118#comments

Full team will be known before the match start, players that will appear there will play.

The Gravedigger · 09-10-10, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy

Well I think NLB is stronger then past years and Igokea coming from very very weak league, they do not have any experience,bad travelers and all in all bad roster. This is new team from bosnian village with no tradition and I can not see how they will avoid bottom of the table. I watched them last year against Siroki,Bosna and I am sure that they are worst team in NL together with Siroki. You can maybe add Krka there to bad not sure about them.

Then you have no clue about basketball at all...

NLB is much worse then past years,all teams are weakened except Olimpija and Cedevita,it will be much more equal then past years with many "strange" results.Igokea is new team,but with very good financial situation unlikely of most of the teams in this league,their youngest player is 26 years old,so there is no way they are unexperienced,most of their players are very experienced with international careers and they won`t be last for sure in this league.About this match,everything is possible,Olimpija still have strong starting 5,but without all those players who arrived they have no power in the paint,and their lack of bench players can give chances to Igokea in this match.

banana_man · 09-10-10, 11:09

djasmu can you tell me your picks from this round

djasmu · 09-10-10, 11:42

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Originally Posted by banana_man

djasmu can you tell me your picks from this round

I have Cedevita ML @1.40 & Igokea +9.5 for today
I took that yesterday in the morning so at currently odds I wouldn't touch that

Wiseguy · 09-10-10, 12:49

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Originally Posted by The Gravedigger

Then you have no clue about basketball at all...

NLB is much worse then past years,all teams are weakened except Olimpija and Cedevita,it will be much more equal then past years with many "strange" results.Igokea is new team,but with very good financial situation unlikely of most of the teams in this league,their youngest player is 26 years old,so there is no way they are unexperienced,most of their players are very experienced with international careers and they won`t be last for sure in this league.About this match,everything is possible,Olimpija still have strong starting 5,but without all those players who arrived they have no power in the paint,and their lack of bench players can give chances to Igokea in this match.

Well you know I admit but still your ROI on basketball betting is just break even( have played on your games 2007 and 2008) . Igokea will be home team, they are not bad but they will not be top 8 for sure. Sure maybe this new arrivals are good and that Igokea will play much better this year but I doubt it because most of this players had very hard time to get minutes in their teams and to find new team.And many people around the league said same thing as me that NLB is very strong this year so your statement that NLB is much worse then past year is joke.
Here hemofarm coach:

http://www.kosarka.rs/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=4625

Anyway I took Igokea+9.5 in local because of problem in Olimpija and Igokea will fight in their first NLB game ever.

Zebra$ · 09-10-10, 13:45

This will be one of most balanced seasons but not because all teams are super strong. On the contrary, most of them have much smaller budgets and big financial problems (Crvena Zvezda, Zadar, Cibona, Partizan, Hemofarm, Olimpija). Best teams are much weaker than for example last season, every single one of them.
Cedevita and Zagreb will show some improvement imo but I don't expect too much from them. Siroki is also weaker now that Chester Mason left the team but they will continue to be a tough home team. Gravedigger already wrote about Igokea, I think they will steal a couple of away wins and will also be tough at home. Buducnost is also weaker than last season although they showed some good performances vs Asvel. Don't know much about Nymburk, I haven't followed their league.
And please let's not start with people commenting other people's ROI and such discussions.

The Gravedigger · 09-10-10, 15:37

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy

Well you know I admit but still your ROI on basketball betting is just break even( have played on your games 2007 and 2008) . Igokea will be home team, they are not bad but they will not be top 8 for sure. Sure maybe this new arrivals are good and that Igokea will play much better this year but I doubt it because most of this players had very hard time to get minutes in their teams and to find new team.And many people around the league said same thing as me that NLB is very strong this year so your statement that NLB is much worse then past year is joke.
Here hemofarm coach:

http://www.kosarka.rs/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=4625

Anyway I took Igokea+9.5 in local because of problem in Olimpija and Igokea will fight in their first NLB game ever.

You compare my ROI with my comments on this league?I see no connection there (btw,I don`t remember I ever saw you writting any picks,so you and me can`t talk about ROI anyway).

About Lukajic statement,as I said you have no knowledge about this league so you can only see such comments and trust them blindly,and they are far from true and realistic.

dalibor · 09-10-10, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Zebra$

This will be one of most balanced seasons but not because all teams are super strong. On the contrary, most of them have much smaller budgets and big financial problems (Crvena Zvezda, Zadar, Cibona, Partizan, Hemofarm, Olimpija). Best teams are much weaker than for example last season, every single one of them.
Cedevita and Zagreb will show some improvement imo but I don't expect too much from them. Siroki is also weaker now that Chester Mason left the team but they will continue to be a tough home team. Gravedigger already wrote about Igokea, I think they will steal a couple of away wins and will also be tough at home. Buducnost is also weaker than last season although they showed some good performances vs Asvel. Don't know much about Nymburk, I haven't followed their league.
And please let's not start with people commenting other people's ROI and such discussions.

Olimpia is assembling great rooster,with lot of quality individuals. As it seems now,they should represent the best team in this competition.In first round some of them will not participate,but still very good team. Partizan sale great last year's team,and this year looks very modest,solid for this competition,but very weak for Euroleague.
Igokea from Bosnia,Cedevita and Radnicki might bring very positive results this year

kacacar · 09-10-10, 16:28

Can someone(djasmu,grave...) tell me is +7.5 good enough for Igokea.

WTF is "Wiseguy"?!

grrrrrrr

dalibor · 09-10-10, 17:22

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Originally Posted by kacacar

Can someone(djasmu,grave...) tell me is +7.5 good enough for Igokea.

WTF is "Wiseguy"?!

grrrrrrr

Yes,regarding the players which can not participate due to administrative reasons it could be good bet,but just medium stakes
GL

TU6 · 11-10-10, 22:31

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18:00 Zadar - Union Olimpija Adriatic Basket League 1.40 2.75
19:00 Buducnost - Crvena Zvezda Adriatic Basket League 1.07 6.98
20:00 Krka - Cedevita Adriatic Basket League 1.90 1.80

17:00 KK Radnicki - CEZ Basket Nymburk Adriatic Basket League 1.75 1.95
18:00 Cibona Vip - Siroki Eronet Adriatic Basket League 1.07 6.98
19:00 Partizan PMB - Hemofarm Adriatic Basket League 1.40 2.75
19:30 Igokea - Zagreb Adriatic Basket League 1.70 2.00

Do you have any info about Union Olimpija players who didn't play in first round? 2.4 odds looks great if they will play.

I edited your post as it is old topic so had to tune it up to suit next round,next time please everyone open up a new specific topic for next round/moderator

Zebra$ · 11-10-10, 23:00

@ 2.73 at Pinnacle but I don't think they will play, still no updates and the list of registered/not registered players is not changed:
http://www.adriaticbasket.com/club.php?id=4

The Gravedigger · 12-10-10, 11:39

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Originally Posted by TU6

Do you have any info about Union Olimpija players who didn't play in first round? 2.4 odds looks great if they will play.

They are training with the team,but still not registred

Sampa · 12-10-10, 14:15

What about Krka – Cedevita game? Cedevita much better team imo, odds around 1.90 looks good for AW.

Zebra$ · 12-10-10, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Sampa

What about Krka – Cedevita game? Cedevita much better team imo, odds around 1.90 looks good for AW.

Why do you think Cedevita is much better? Or rather how much do you actually know about Krka?

bureK · 12-10-10, 16:38

Olimpija players will not play, so the roster will be the same as in the 1st round. Under 145 looks nice. On krka- cedevita match. I am a Krka fan (local club) but i must say im on the hosts today.. Our players outside Slovenia play warm/cold system and Cedevita with such names on the list it's very hard to go on home win. Cedevita for me on this one

Zebra$ · 12-10-10, 16:55

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Originally Posted by bureK

Olimpija players will not play, so the roster will be the same as in the 1st round. Under 145 looks nice. On krka- cedevita match. I am a Krka fan (local club) but i must say im on the hosts today.. Our players outside Slovenia play warm/cold system and Cedevita with such names on the list it's very hard to go on home win. Cedevita for me on this one

That would be visitors then