16 Sep D. Zagreb - Villarreal

distinctive · 31-08-10, 09:12

18:00 D. Zagreb - Villarreal 2.75 3.20 2.3

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Corinthian · 04-09-10, 23:26

Dinamo - Villarreal

Pick: 2
Odds: 2.32 (10bet)
Stake: 8/10

Wow! I expected something like 1.60, maybe 1.80 and i would probably take 1that price s well but this really surprises me.
Dinamo btought some players like Tonel and Beciraj in last days of transfer window, they have new coach and, on paper, they look much stronger than few months ago. Still, some things are definetly not going in their favour; fans are still in boycott and it's questionable when will they come back on the stands. Atmosphere around the team is pretty negative and current board seems to be counting their last days. Dinamo is playing better though, comparing to pre-Halilhodži***263; era. Still, i'm far from being optimistic, can't remember when Dinamo won some of crucial matches on their ground. Last season they had 0-0-3, losing from Anderlecht, Ajax and Timisoara.
Don't know much about Villarreal, except that they are top favourites in this group. Their team looks strong on paper and they were doing a great job in this competition so far. They are a team with much more international experience, with much more big matches on their shoulders while Dinamo depends on a good day of their kids Badelj, Rukavina, Vrsaljko etc. I'm not suggesting that this is "sure thing", just saying that history repeats itself and some things won't change in near future. Don't know a team which has worse home record on their own ground than Dinamo. Even their coach, who is a realistic and honest person, said that the main problem of his team is lack of confidence and "balls". Dinamo and Villarreal are two different worlds and i'd say that Dinamo has more chances on Madrigal than at Maksimir. I'm going with flat stakes for the rest of the season on the mainpage, but if i use 1-10/10, i'd use full stakes on this one. My call is something like 1-3.

Ziherash · 15-09-10, 07:56

I agree with Corinthian's conclusion, but only IF Villareal take this match seriously, are focused, and pick a strong line up.

There is no question that the quality is on Villareal's side, by a long way, but before backing them, I would like to have some team news confirmed about Villareal.

And let's face it, Maximir is no fortress, many teams have come here and taken all 3 points in recent years.

abu · 15-09-10, 10:32

These are the 19 players who have said Juan Carlos Garrido on Wednesday to travel to the Croatian capital:

Goalkeepers: Diego López, Juan Carlos and Oliva.
Defenders: Gonzalo Rodriguez, Musacchio, Catalá, Capdevila, Marchena, Joan Oriol and Mario Gaspar.
Midfielders: Marcos Senna, Bruno Soriano, Cani, Borja Valero, Santi Cazorla and Jefferson Montero.
Forwards: Giuseppe Rossi, Marco Ruben and Jozy Altidore.

Source: elvillarreal.com

dajkula · 15-09-10, 10:54

loncaric as first goalkeeper is injured so Kelava will replace him and it is not so good for Dinamo, i watched him when U21 was playing with Serbia and he miised the ball completely a couple od times and was really not showing confidence, Villareal should shoot from every position

Ziherash · 15-09-10, 11:09

Kelava is a poor GK. He is definitely one of the weaker links in the Dinamo team.

Brazilian Nilmar is not part of the squad.

As things stand, I connot see Dinamo Zagreb winning this one. It all really depends on the motivation of the guests.

Backizagre Stuhpa · 15-09-10, 22:43

Its a well known fact that Dinamo has bad record in Europe, and until something changes i will fade them. They played some very good games (Ajax, Rsca) but when was most important, when they had to give everything they can and everything they have, when they had to play like professional football players, they failed. And same story repeats every year. Situation around the club is not good, public and fans are against leaders of club, most loyal fans are in boycott for some time. Situation in team is decent, everybody (media, public and players) is euphoric about new coach, and true, he seems much better that others, but time (if mamic allows it) will tell. Team is better than last year, Tonel, Rukavina, Beciraj, Ademi should replace Mandzukic, Kovac and few others. My first thought is AW but will wait for more info about both teams.

O Fenomeno · 16-09-10, 00:33

My local bet place has 2.05 for AW.

Villareal has won 4-0 against Espanyol last weekend and i was looking at starting line-up from that game. Almost every player from that starting line -up ( if Abus source is right) will travel to Zagreb. Only missings are Nilmar and Angel. I find it very intresting that Villareal is playing their next game in Primera on sunday against Levante and Levante is a bad team. So, it is not like Atl. Madrid that is playing against Barca on sunday.

One thing i am still concerned about. Will Villareal start all their best players from the first minute of the game in Zagreb? Does anyone have an info on Villareal history in Europa league and Uefa cup ? Do they take it seriously?

Villareal should win that game but i am thinking about placing some big money on this game. Looking forward to more infos.

abu · 16-09-10, 02:09

That players list was found by internet and I posted the source too. There might be changes or no.

I see this game from one point of view.

Villarreal is coming after a superb win 4-0 against Espanyol (not a bad team at all). Their moral is good and they are quoted with chances to win the trophy. This is the first game and every team that has high expectations would like to start with 3 points in their pockets. So the motivation and the morale factors will be on the spanish side.

Dinamo Zagreb is a good team for the croatian championship and nothing more. Their european recent experience says everything about their international level. If the other information from the thread is true (about the possible gk line up and other missings), it will be an easy job for Villarreal.

As Corinthian said, 8/10 Stakes for the AW is a good prediction. The rest of 2 to full stakes is on the luck's side.

yonulu · 16-09-10, 10:17

Villareal will play with some reserves as Gonzalo, Mario, Cani y Ruben

http://www.marca.com/marcador/futbol...upo_d/dza_vil/

Villareal is a team best as local than visitor. No bet for me

xxCroatxx · 16-09-10, 12:31

It should be banker if Villareal wouldn't play with those reserves, anyway i think Espanyol is better than Dinamo and if Villa could trash them 4-0 they can win this at least 1-0 imo.

yonulu · 16-09-10, 13:41

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Originally Posted by xxCroatxx

It should be banker if Villareal wouldn't play with those reserves, anyway i think Espanyol is better than Dinamo and if Villa could trash them 4-0 they can win this at least 1-0 imo.

i watched Villareal-Español match. Español can to score 3 goals before 1-0. Villareal scored ocasions and Español not. Previous season villareal lost in Real Sociedad home. Villareal force is in home

di canio · 16-09-10, 14:49

IMO odds on HW have some value. They are going up and up, I have 3.65 in my local bookie for a team that plays at home, who's not Metalurg Liepajas or some maltese crap team. Maybe Dinamo is poor at home as I've seen from the comments above, but who do they face tonight?
Chelsea or Barca? Villareal isn't a force anymore, they're still a good team, but to be such favorite against Dinamo in Croatia it's a litlle too much.Odds changed this way because people bet on Villareal big time.

PS: don't forget that this is EL and a lot of surprises happen here. GL!

litost · 16-09-10, 15:12

Value must be on overs rather than AW imo as above said villareal away from home under this coach and since pelle left are not to be trust of course this time they may have easier task than in some primera pitches but also they have some youngsters wich may pay europe exp anyways players like ruben , altidore , mario , gonzalo and montero will likely start and this is not a minus couse some of this guys like are well proven and should be motivated , also villareal still remembers last season travels in el that cost them dearly so i expect them fully focused from start , villareal plays open game always so overs it is likely .....and line is quite fine ...

xxCroatxx · 16-09-10, 15:27

I don't know is BBB (Dinamo ultras) still mad at staff of club and we don't know what kind of support will Dinamo have, important thing to say that will decide this game imo is Kelava as GK and Dinamo under pressure.

bump1111 · 16-09-10, 16:50

Teams are up on uefa.com now. Looks like 7 changes for Villarreal, Cazorla and Rossi on the bench. Not liking their team so no bet for me now. Maybe something in play.

litost · 16-09-10, 16:53

strong trunk wich is what counts if u do not know some players it does not mean teh line up is weak ...

have you ever heard of altidore ?? ex river and recre Ruben almost top scorer in segunda last season , cani ?? ... one of most promising ypungsters in primera ecuatorian montero ??
gonzalo ??

bump1111 · 16-09-10, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by litost

strong trunk wich is what counts if u do not know some players it does not mean teh line up is weak ...

have you ever heard of altidore ?? ex river and recre Ruben almost top scorer in segunda last season , cani ?? ... one of most promising ypungsters in primera ecuatorian montero ??
gonzalo ??

Errrmm what are you on about? I didnt say their line up was weak. I just dont have the confidence to bet on them anymore. Altidore has been absolutely dreadful everytime ive seen him by the way, a great athlete and poor footballer, he was hilariously bad for Hull here last season.

litost · 16-09-10, 17:11

ok no probs all i am saying it is soetimes rotation is good and fact the trunk with senna and bruno is first choice plus musacccio and gonzalo seem rated tough arise some doubts given youth and inactivity i just do not see that as a big factor but as is said villareal open game often fails on the road plus rossi and nilmar are more certs .... have not watched altidore at premier i guess away from NT he is piss poor !! :0

Iacopo · 16-09-10, 18:36

late news, i saw on UEFA.com, Villareal is mixed team, the value is on Dinamo Zagreb DNB!

O Fenomeno · 16-09-10, 18:55

Wow, i am feeling sick, i am going to lose big time money.

Villareal line-up without 6 players from Espanyol game and those who are playing are not even trying. No shots from Villareal and they are leaving so much space for Dinamo counters.

My last hope is that Villareal coach will make double sub at the start of the second half.
But i doubt it to be honest.

Dinamo have lost so many home games in Europe and now they wont when my money is on the line.

My life sucks.

Ziherash · 16-09-10, 19:02

It's true, Villareal adopted a leasurely approach to this match, while Dinamo produced one of the best performances I've seen from them in recent years, in these first 45 minutes...

I do think Villareal have what it takes to come back from a goal down, they certainly have the quality, the thing is, it is questionable whether Villareal will go all out for the victory in the second half...I think they will be happy with a point...the way Dinamo is playing, even a point for Villareal is in danger...

litost · 16-09-10, 19:51

mates it is not about line up nor dinamo strength it is absolute negligency from coach villareal have a cracking suqad but their game is too mild simply as that and the bloody won&ers were not able even to score one for the overs !!

Morbius · 16-09-10, 20:03

I watched the second half and Dinamo wanted it badly, they showed great desire to achieve something here and they did. Strong defence and a few good chances, they could've totally trashed the yellow submarine today if there was more experience in the attack.

Luckily I stayed away from this one.

di canio · 16-09-10, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by di canio

IMO odds on HW have some value. They are going up and up, I have 3.65 in my local bookie for a team that plays at home, who's not Metalurg Liepajas or some maltese crap team. Maybe Dinamo is poor at home as I've seen from the comments above, but who do they face tonight?
Chelsea or Barca? Villareal isn't a force anymore, they're still a good team, but to be such favorite against Dinamo in Croatia it's a litlle too much.Odds changed this way because people bet on Villareal big time.

PS: don't forget that this is EL and a lot of surprises happen here. GL!

2-0 FT

PS: Prietenii stiu de ce!

dajkula · 17-09-10, 11:06

dinamo played the best game in years at home and cost me nice money at the bookie, i am sad and happy at the same time, i must be crazy

Ziherash · 17-09-10, 11:18

Same here.

It just goes to show, quality difference means nothing unless it is accompanied by a professional apporach and motivation. Yesterday, Villareal had none of either. Having said that, Dinamo was excellent. Haven't seen them play that way in years.

Z0uK@Ko$ · 17-09-10, 13:55

Rukavina is doing great at Dinamo and i feel very good about that. When he was playing at Panathinaikos he didnt have many chances, he will become a great player believe me.