28 Jul Young Boys - Fenerbahce

distinctive · 23-07-10, 13:47

20:15 Young Boys - Fenerbahce 3.17 3.29 2.08

abu · 24-07-10, 21:10

I am seriously thinking to back Fenerbahce here.

Young Boys are not in their best days. They started their championship by two draws (against Thun and Luzern) and what is noticeable is that they have been leaded in the both games. They don't impress at this moment and the players that left the club changed the face of the team (negatively). They seem to have a low morale which is not an advantage before the game against Fenerbahce.
Fenerbahce changed their coach and brought some new names in to the squad. They didn't shine in the preparation games (2 defeats and 2 wins) but they have good morale and high expectations from the games against YB. Moreover I expect to be supported by a lot of fans from Germany so the atmosphere will not be a hostile one.

Any info about the possible line-ups/missings?

My pick: AW (2.00) @ StanleyBet

Azure · 24-07-10, 22:48

Add the fact that YB is famous for sh!tting the bed in important matches for years now...

Compared to the two draws in league which you mentioned, YB will get back Hochstrasser in defensive mf (he was susp in SL). That should improve stability. Note that Stade de Suisse got artificial grass - don't know about Fenerbahce, but some teams got problems with that....

Fenerbahceliyizz · 25-07-10, 03:44

I'm fans Fenerbahce

Fenerbahce Missings:

Mehmet Topuz

Gokhan Unal

Daniel Guiza

Ugur Boral

Ozer Hurmaci

abu · 25-07-10, 05:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenerbahceliyizz

I'm fans Fenerbahce

Fenerbahce Missings:

Mehmet Topuz

Gokhan Unal

Daniel Guiza

Ugur Boral

Ozer Hurmaci

As I am not so close to Fenerbahce, can you explain what is their role in this new trainer gameplay? I mean, Daum left the club and I think that something must have changed now. I watched a few games of Fenerbahce last season and they didn't impress me at all. Daum playing style was sometimes confuse and let's not forget how they lost everything last season.
And from what I read, Guiza is already looking for a new team.
More info from the turkish freinds would be wellcomed.
GL

abu · 25-07-10, 05:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azure

Add the fact that YB is famous for sh!tting the bed in important matches for years now...

Compared to the two draws in league which you mentioned, YB will get back Hochstrasser in defensive mf (he was susp in SL). That should improve stability. Note that Stade de Suisse got artificial grass - don't know about Fenerbahce, but some teams got problems with that....

Yes there might be problems with the artificial grass but there are a lot of reasons to think that Fener will get a win here. They have a new coach and I think that this would be their first official game where a team as big as Fenerbahce has to impress. I do not think that they will go to Switzerland looking to get a draw. The coach has to show to the fans and to the club owners that their decision was the right one.
YB is on a "down-trend" and their game play describes their position. I will not be surprised if they will not finish on one of the first three places in the swiss championship.

Lemon_ · 26-07-10, 22:33

I would advise caution for anyone thinking to back away win here. Many important players will not be available for Fenerbahçe. This is our last season's usual line-up:

Volkan Demirel
Gökhan Gönül - Lugano - Bilica - Andre Santos
Mehmet - Cristian - Emre - Özer
Alex
Güiza

Gökhan Gönül and Özer had surgery after the last season. They missed preseason camp and have just started to join trainings with the team. There is a slight chance Gökhan might be ready for the game. Otherwise, Bekir will replace Gökhan Gönül seemingly as right defender which is not his natural position. The newcomer, former Chelsea player, Miroslav Stoch will be playing as attacking left midfielder. He played quite well in friendly games, but needs more time to adapt to the team.

Emre had a minor injury during preseason and hasn't performed in a friendly game yet if i remember correctly. He will probably be in starting line-up but may lack match fitness during the game. Keep in mind that he is of great importance for this team.

The most important missing is Diego Lugano. He played in WC for Uruguay. He must have caught your attention if you watched any Uruguay game during WC. He is an excellent defender and i remember what happened last year when he was injured or suspended. He is absolutely crucial for Fenerbahçe. He will not perform against Young Boys as he is expected to join to the team tomorrow. His replacement will be another newcomer ***304;lhan and i can say he is a joke to this game called football. I watched every friendly game, this guy seemed like he doesn't know anything about how to defend, let alone to be good enough to cover Lugano's place in this team.

Mehmet is injured and Kaz***305;m is likely to replace him. Issiar Dia will be the first choice in right wing but he joined to the team a few days ago, i doubt he will be in the first team already.

Güiza will not be available also, which is a good thing. He claimed that he was injured, according to the club he's not, and refused to join to trainings. He looks forward to move to another club, so do all the fans. This guy is unable to score goals. It's still a mystery to me how he managed to be top goalscorer of La Liga just 2 years ago. Gökhan Ünal will probably replace him according to training reports. He had a minor injury but should be ready until the game. He's not a first team player, he's backup. There will be a new transfer for this position in a few weeks.

This should be the starting line-up:

Volkan Demirel
Bekir - Bilica - ***304;lhan - Andre Santos
Cristian - Emre
Kaz***305;m - Alex - Stoch
Gökhan

I don't know so much about Young Boys but i don't suggest away win here because this is the first competitive game of the season for Fenerbahçe and they have many important missings. I wouldn't suggest home win or double chance for home team either since there is much class difference between these teams. My choice might have been "over" or "both teams to score" if this wasn't the first leg of the tie. All in all, Fenerbahçe shouldn't have too much trouble to go through this qualification round. However, considering all these missings and Fenerbahçe plays much better at home ground, it wouldn't surprise me if the result turns out to be draw for the first leg.

abu · 27-07-10, 00:11

thanks for your thoughts and info lemon. really important post. i'll probably skip this match as i have seen fenerbahce playing terrible last season without some players like lugano and emre. as you wrote, everything is possible and the second leg will probably be the decisive one.

cassa1818 · 27-07-10, 07:46

Volkan Demirel
Bekir - Bilica - ***304;lhan - Andre Santos
Cristian - Emre
Kaz***305;m - Alex - Stoch
Gökhan

probable starting 11 is not that good for Fenerbahce. I dont have info about Young Boys If they can use thier home ground good Away win is not that possible. Fenerbahce is not ready. They have defensive problems. Bilica is always danger,Ilhan played not bad but It will be his first European experience I think. Bekir is also dangerous when he plays. Goalie is not in form. I will bet live I have to see Young Boys first.

Bahiskopat · 27-07-10, 08:33

i had doubts about this match until watched the game againt Galatasaray.
Team was looking like a real team against Galatasaray and they can fight untill last minute with great effort and Galatasaray had only 2 goal chances in all game altough Fenerbahce was 10 players for 75 minutes.
As Lemon wrote there will be big missings in the first game but to be honestly the newcomers and subs did play like regulars...
For example Bekir was good at rgiht back position.He is not as good as G.Gönül but he improved his gamestyle and better than last year. Christian and Emre will be enough for defensive midfield against a swiss side and there is only dangerous thing in defence is not ***304;lhan IMO. Bilica can make failure easily and it can couse problem for Fenerbahce. Ilhan played very good preseason matches and i think Coach Aykut can put him in regular season with Lugano(Bilica in bench) beacuse of foreign players rules in turkey.
Stoch is very quick and he goes directly to the goal and helps to the defence too. I dont know about Dia but i think Aykut Kocaman will use him as subs for this match. Kaz***305;m has some problems with helping defence but he can be really trouble for swiss wingers if he will stop to play with the ball too long.
Gokhan Unal, i dont like him and he can not be the first stirker in Fenerbahce but Semih is injured and out of form while Clug has problems with Guzia(he had 2 awful seasons and want to leave)

I am sure Fenerbahce will not lose in Switzerland. And i think there is quite good chance for away win.
Good Luck for everyone....

albatros · 27-07-10, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenerbahceliyizz

I'm fans Fenerbahce

Fenerbahce Missings:

Mehmet Topuz

Gokhan Unal

Daniel Guiza

Ugur Boral

Ozer Hurmaci

Do you say "missing" when Guiza won't play.

This is a gift for us. heyoooooo

albatros · 27-07-10, 10:20

Previously people said much thing about FB squad. I watched Young boys match against Luzern. They are better than I thought. their stadium also impressive. I think they can score one or two. We can score also.
OVER is much suitable bet I think.

Azure · 28-07-10, 08:29

YB missings: capt Wölfli (gk), Lingani (cdf,sub); coach Petkovic only on stands;

Titan · 28-07-10, 08:49

Young Boys lost their fire power when they sell the Ivory Coast international player, Seydou Doumbia (50 goals/ 64 app).

bigboi · 28-07-10, 10:49

Watched the fenerbahce press conference and the coach is saying that the synthetic pitch will be a disadvantage. But that they want to leave with a postive score line. i cannot see fenerbahce lose here but then again its hard to see a win with gokhan unal up front as he is PAthetic! kazim and stoch along with alex could just pull fenerbahce over the line and win this one.

Fenerbahce played against galatasaray with 10 men and still secured the win and young boys do not compare to galatasaray no offence to any young boys fans out there.

but id go under 2.5 for this one.

allthethings · 28-07-10, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemon_

I would advise caution for anyone thinking to back away win here. Many important players will not be available for Fenerbahçe. This is our last season's usual line-up:

Volkan Demirel
Gökhan Gönül - Lugano - Bilica - Andre Santos
Mehmet - Cristian - Emre - Özer
Alex
Güiza

Gökhan Gönül and Özer had surgery after the last season. They missed preseason camp and have just started to join trainings with the team. There is a slight chance Gökhan might be ready for the game. Otherwise, Bekir will replace Gökhan Gönül seemingly as right defender which is not his natural position. The newcomer, former Chelsea player, Miroslav Stoch will be playing as attacking left midfielder. He played quite well in friendly games, but needs more time to adapt to the team.

Emre had a minor injury during preseason and hasn't performed in a friendly game yet if i remember correctly. He will probably be in starting line-up but may lack match fitness during the game. Keep in mind that he is of great importance for this team.

The most important missing is Diego Lugano. He played in WC for Uruguay. He must have caught your attention if you watched any Uruguay game during WC. He is an excellent defender and i remember what happened last year when he was injured or suspended. He is absolutely crucial for Fenerbahçe. He will not perform against Young Boys as he is expected to join to the team tomorrow. His replacement will be another newcomer ***304;lhan and i can say he is a joke to this game called football. I watched every friendly game, this guy seemed like he doesn't know anything about how to defend, let alone to be good enough to cover Lugano's place in this team.

Mehmet is injured and Kaz***305;m is likely to replace him. Issiar Dia will be the first choice in right wing but he joined to the team a few days ago, i doubt he will be in the first team already.

Güiza will not be available also, which is a good thing. He claimed that he was injured, according to the club he's not, and refused to join to trainings. He looks forward to move to another club, so do all the fans. This guy is unable to score goals. It's still a mystery to me how he managed to be top goalscorer of La Liga just 2 years ago. Gökhan Ünal will probably replace him according to training reports. He had a minor injury but should be ready until the game. He's not a first team player, he's backup. There will be a new transfer for this position in a few weeks.

This should be the starting line-up:

Volkan Demirel
Bekir - Bilica - ***304;lhan - Andre Santos
Cristian - Emre
Kaz***305;m - Alex - Stoch
Gökhan

I don't know so much about Young Boys but i don't suggest away win here because this is the first competitive game of the season for Fenerbahçe and they have many important missings. I wouldn't suggest home win or double chance for home team either since there is much class difference between these teams. My choice might have been "over" or "both teams to score" if this wasn't the first leg of the tie. All in all, Fenerbahçe shouldn't have too much trouble to go through this qualification round. However, considering all these missings and Fenerbahçe plays much better at home ground, it wouldn't surprise me if the result turns out to be draw for the first leg.

Nice information, thanks. But if the team is so different this season, what makes you think Fenerbahce will play "much better at home ground"?

Lemon_ · 28-07-10, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by allthethings

Nice information, thanks. But if the team is so different this season, what makes you think Fenerbahce will play "much better at home ground"?

The team is different but not in bad way -if can stay clear from injuries-. Lugano, Semih and Gökhan Gönül will be back. Issiar Dia will be ready to be in the starting line-up. Stoch and Dia will make great impact imo. Besides, no need to be expert to say Fenerbahce is much better at home ground, you just need to look at the stats.

shark67 · 28-07-10, 18:10

hi i bet for young boys @ 3.05 cause the missing players of fenerbache are important especially guiza.... ok young boys is not barcellona.. but is always a chance in champions league...

under @ 1.85
young boys @3.05

bye

deoksiriboz · 28-07-10, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by shark67

hi i bet for young boys @ 3.05 cause the missing players of fenerbache are important especially guiza.... ok young boys is not barcellona.. but is always a chance in champions league...

under @ 1.85
young boys @3.05

bye

It was so long time ago when i heard Guiza was major missing for Fenerbahce. Apparently , Fenerbahce will be finding it hard to stand tall at the back without Lugano. Artificial turf seems as a major advantage for the hosts to take advantage of but at the end i can't see a winner out of this game.

Goal draw is quite possible since i don't believe that Fenerbahce's Bilica-Ilhan defensive duo is reliable enough. Young Boys did not impress with their season opener and with their form in friendlies,lost few important players , Doumbia to Russia , Gilles Yapi to Basel and their replacements may not be as good as departures. Draw seems best choice to me.

Draw 3,35 @ Expekt
CS : 1-1 7,00 @ Nordic

Lemon_ · 28-07-10, 18:47

Starting line-up:

Volkan Demirel, Önder, Bilica, Bekir, Andre Santos, Kaz***305;m, Cristian, Emre, Stoch, Alex, Gökhan Ünal.

***304;lhan got injured during the last training, Önder will replace him as right wing back. Bekir will play as dc. better defensive line imo.

cassa1818 · 28-07-10, 22:09

could have finish 4-2 or 5-2

Fenerbahce defence is a joke now. Stoch Alex doesn't come back. They need Lugano and Gökhan right away

Rado · 28-07-10, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassa1818

could have finish 4-2 or 5-2

Fenerbahce defence is a joke now. Stoch Alex doesn't come back. They need Lugano and Gökhan right away

How much Messi help defence, or Ibra, or Villa? Alex is 32 yrs old and he does not help defence for ages. Its not a problem for us. Look at missings in defence line, Lugano and Gokhan Gonul. Two most important parts of defence. Lugano is an irreplacable guy. He is one of the most underrated defender for me. Bekir, Onder and Bilica played today. Bilica is an average footballer and he plays worse without Lugano. Bekir and Onder are not better than Young Boys' defenders IMO, so you should not exeggarate things so much.

Young Boys deserved to win by at least two goal margin, however referee helped them a bit but life will not go like that in Istanbul! Fener came three or four times and scored two. Young Boys attacking with at least 7 player cause they suck on defence. I guess Fener gonna score at least two or three in Istanbul.

deoksiriboz · 28-07-10, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassa1818

could have finish 4-2 or 5-2

Fenerbahce defence is a joke now. Stoch Alex doesn't come back. They need Lugano and Gökhan right away

Totally agree.. With or without Lugano is just like white or black. Young Boys created so many chances up-top but they gave away as well. There could have been even more goals for each side. However , not to forget that Fenerbahce scored twice out of 3 attempts on goal. Whenever they ran forward with more than 3 players , they,somehow,found the goalkeeper. Should i change my point of view and wear my ''football-fan'' mask , this was among the most entertaining game i've seen over the past few years , with high tempo , shots on the post , shots on the crossbar , a great challenge. Second leg could easily be nominated as to become another goal-fest with consideration of the risky style of play by Young Boys. Fenerbahce is not that slow team of previous years. Stoch and Issiar Dia (did not take part tonight but will most likely be on the court in second leg) are both so compatible guys for quick play and counters. I can't really imagine how large will the fields left by a must win Young Boys be between last men and the goalkeeper.

Azure · 29-07-10, 07:15

Indeed pretty entertaining. Hosts with bad luck, hitting woodwork thrice. Considering that it must've been the first time YB played a 4141 under Petkovic, that didn't look bad at all. Defensive holes did remain the same though...

Bahiskopat · 29-07-10, 08:45

I dont think we can expalin it only with luck. They really lack of quality. They are really fast and have good condition and play together for a long time.
And dont forget yesterday match was played on artifical grass.A day before the match another CB ***304;lhan injured becoause of the pitch and Coach must change the defence line.
Yes Fenerbahce was pathetic but dont forget about missings. Defence line was really joke but we can not see this line this year again. Lugano and G.Gönül will come. Dia will replace f..... Kazim.
and young boys couldnt find a refree in ***304;stanbul like last night... He jugded always for the host...
Young Boys had very good chance but they miss the opportunity and they will be very upset because of this match....

Azure · 29-07-10, 09:54

Bahiskopat, I think everyone who watched the game would agree that YB deserved to win this (probably even with more than one goal margin) and that they had bad luck.
- Ref was +/- ok. Yes, he favoured the hosts, but I guess that will be the other way around next week, eh!?

- YB play together for a long time? Actually they never played like that before: 4 new signed players have been in starting lineup + tactical system was changed (back4 instead of back3) + 1st gk missing;
- Sure, Fenerbahce had to deal with artificial pitch + important missings, but what's that got to do with the truth of the line "YB had bad luck not to win this match"?

Anyway, in the end Bern failed to use the chances while Fenerbahce was very efficient. Looks pretty fine for the turkish club now and YB will most likely choke in another important matchup...like they always do.

cassa1818 · 29-07-10, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Rd-

How much Messi help defence, or Ibra, or Villa? Alex is 32 yrs old and he does not help defence for ages.

How can you compare 3.quality players with world class players? BTW Villa and Messi always help their defence. Fenerbahce will have lots of problems this year against quick teams.

alderean · 29-07-10, 12:00

---------Match Stats--------

Young Boys - shoots= 39 on goal=14
Fenerbahçe - shoots= 4 on goal=2

Score = 2-2

yeah I know footbal is not a justice game, but this can't be explain by only this word... if Young Boys can be a little capable at 2.leg, they will score easily.and Fenerbahçe is gonna be readier... IMO for that game over 2,5 . 3,5 is so so easy...

Bahiskopat · 29-07-10, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azure

Bahiskopat, I think everyone who watched the game would agree that YB deserved to win this (probably even with more than one goal margin) and that they had bad luck.
- Ref was +/- ok. Yes, he favoured the hosts, but I guess that will be the other way around next week, eh!?

- YB play together for a long time? Actually they never played like that before: 4 new signed players have been in starting lineup + tactical system was changed (back4 instead of back3) + 1st gk missing;
- Sure, Fenerbahce had to deal with artificial pitch + important missings, but what's that got to do with the truth of the line "YB had bad luck not to win this match"?

Anyway, in the end Bern failed to use the chances while Fenerbahce was very efficient. Looks pretty fine for the turkish club now and YB will most likely choke in another important matchup...like they always do.

Dear friend
I think i coulndt explain it clearly... I think YB deserved to win last night and nobody can say the opposite...
Yes they have bad luck but if you will shoot 38 times in a match and nearly 10 times 1/1 vs goalkeeper they must score with luck or without luck...
By the way i really like their playingstyle and especially Degen!!! He was awesome last night...