Argentina Clausura 12/13.05

Greek08 · 11-05-07, 08:31

12 May 01:00 Belgrano v Quilmes 1.83 3.10 4.00
12 May 01:10 Independiente v Newell's 2.10 3.20 3.00
12 May 22:20 Rosario Central v Racing Club 1.90 3.20 3.50
13 May 01:10 Estudiantes LP v Velez Sarsfield 1.50 3.50 6.00
13 May 18:00 Godoy Cruz v Lanus 2.10 3.20 3.00
13 May 19:30 Banfield v Argentinos Jrs 2.60 3.20 2.37
13 May 19:30 Colon v Gimnasia Jujuy 2.40 3.10 2.60
13 May 19:30 Gimnasia LP v Nueva Chicago 1.90 3.20 3.50
13 May 20:10 San Lorenzo v River Plate 2.20 3.20 2.80
13 May 22:30 Boca Juniors v Arsenal de Sarandi 1.44 3.60 6.50

Odds from Bet365.com

Greek08 · 11-05-07, 09:06

12 May 01:10 Independiente v Newell's 2.10 3.20 3.00

The establishment of Independent was concentrated east Friday after the practice made in the Complex of Santo Domingo, where the players made works and stopped ball tactical. With respect to the equipment that tied with River, there would be six changes.

The only doubt happened through Lucas Pusineri, who underwent an annoyance to muscylar. It was evaluated by the medical body and it will not have disadvantages in playing before Newell's.

The equipment would be: Oscar Ustari; Carlos Matheu, Carlos Báez, Marks Ramirez, Juan Eluchans; Hernán Fredes, Lucas Pusineri, Adrián Calello, Rodrigo Diaz; Insipid Ismael, Jose Moreno.
In the bank they would be: Fabian Assmann, Sergio Escudero, Leandro Mussin, David Orellana, Emiliano Armenteros, Damián Moon and Germa'n Denis.

From http://www.caindependiente.com/cms/index.php

Against River Plate one week ago Independiente played as follows:

1-Fabián Assmann; 22-Carlos Báez, 20-Leandro Gioda, 6-Guillermo Rodríguez, 28-Juan Eluchans; 8-Gastón Machín, 5-Lucas Pusineri, 16-Adrián Calello, 15-Hernán Fredes; 10-Daniel Montenegro, 19-Germán Denis. DT: Miguel Angel Santoro.

Why so many changes? I dont understand.Can anyone help?Thanks in advance.

talarya · 11-05-07, 13:55

NOB=Justo Villar; Nicolás Spolli, Gastón Aguirre y Germán Ré; Carlos Araujo, Ariel Zapata, Husain y Adrián Lucero; Sebastián Arrieta; Mauro Cejas y Oscar Cardozo
FULL SGUAD and n.o.boys very good at away games

independiante=Ustari; Matheu, Carlos Báez, Ramírez, Juan Eluchans; Pusineri, Adrián Calello, Hernán Fredes; Díaz; Sosa y Moreno.

some players missing because suspensions and injur***305;es Fabián Assmann, Leandro Gioda (cinco amarillas), Guillermo Rodríguez (fue expulsado), Gastón Machín (cinco amarillas), Daniel Montenegro (se recupera de un golpe) y Germán Denis. d.abraham m.herron armenteros all are important players.

odds on away win looks very good.good luck.

Greek08 · 11-05-07, 14:07

Looking at the prehistory and Independiente's absences i prefer under here:

05-NOV-06 Newells Old B. 0-1 Independiente
19-MAR-06 Newells Old B. 2-0 Independiente
06-OCT-05 Independiente 2-0 Newells Old B.
02-JUL-05 Newells Old B. 1-1 Independiente
12-DEC-04 Independiente 2-0 Newells Old B.
22-FEB-04 Independiente 1-1 Newells Old B.
10-AUG-03 Newells Old B. 0-0 Independiente
16-MAR-03 Newells Old B. 2-2 Independiente
25-AUG-02 Independiente 1-1 Newells Old B.
21-FEB-02 Newells Old B. 3-2 Independiente
29-AUG-01 Independiente 0-1 Newells Old B.
05-JUN-01 Newells Old B. 0-1 Independiente

Twelve matches only 2 matches over!When Independiente is the host all matches ended with under 2.5goals!

talarya · 11-05-07, 14:09

l.gioda DEF. 31 GAMES 2 GOALS G.RODR***304;GUEZ def. 26 montenegro mid. 29 11 GOALS machin mid.13-8 2 GOALS d.abraham def. 15 games M.HERRON M***304;D. 22 GAMES (G.DEN***304;S FOR. 27 GAMES 8 GOALS ARMENTEROS M***304;D. 16-9 2 GOALS) LAST TWO PLAYERS I M NOT SURE W***304;LL PLAY OR NOT.MAYBE ON BENCH.

talarya · 11-05-07, 14:12

prehistory is not important ***305; think in these years they use different players.***305; will play away cause odds are good but not in all my games. ***305; hope nob can win.

farnerud · 11-05-07, 15:39

Independiente began to play more disciplined with new coach and improved a bit. Also they were the unlucky side against River. After conceding the first goal Independiente dominated for long times and created some good goalscoring opportunities. But Newel's were in good form too against rivals Rosario last week. 1-0 was not a fair reflection of the football they played. Montenegro is a kay absent for home side, Newells have a good away record and I think away win is worth to try.

Samsung · 12-05-07, 00:17

Belgrano -1/2 vs Quilmes

My first post.
Actually, I dont have any information about injury or suspended players in this game. But I know Belgrano is promotion team this season and usually will play good in early season then drop at last IMO. So far, Belgrano dont have any good result agains favourite teams. Quilmes in last 5 away matches only collect 2 points, but i see they got improvement result. I check in last 3 season, Quilmes always end in drop zone. So I think they have to collect points from mediocore team like Belgrano (sorry if Im wrong), and another poit make me sure to take Quilmes, this match will be played in Netral groun. So, with +1/2 handicap, I will take Quilmes

Sorry for my english

iberoamerica.blox.pl · 12-05-07, 00:22

Belgrano - Quilmes
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Belgrano: Montoya, M. Serrizuela, J. Cáceres, J. Novaretti, D. Martínez, M. Mansanelli, O. Bolatti, M. Yllana, A. Oyola, M. Delgado, M. Ríos, A. DT: Ferraro, Francisco
Quilmes: Grosso, D. González Bordon, A. Capria, D. Sosa, H. Olivares, J. García, E. Medina, J. Saavedra, R. Batalla, P. Torres, D. Luna, C. DT: Fanesi, Alberto

thinkin' of gg, but have no idea how to argue convincingly for the pick, so juzt givin' squads ;-)

last matches:

Belgrano Argentinos 0:2
Belgrano Newell's 0:2
Belgrano Velez Sarsfield 3:0
Belgrano Godoy Cruz 3:2
Belgrano Estudiantes 1:2

Quilmes Arsenal de Sarandi 0:1
Quilmes Colon Santa Fe 2:1
Quilmes Racing Club 2:3
Quilmes River Plate 0:1
Quilmes Nueva Chicago 1:0

y h2h:

Quilmes Belgrano 2:3

nachoman · 12-05-07, 03:38

Match: Rosario Central vs. Racing
Pick: Racing +1/2
Odds: 1,81 Pinnacle
Stake: Medium 5/10

Match by Argentinian league between Rosario Central vs. Racing to be disputed in the stadium 'Gigante de Arroyito' Rosario city. The home team comes of lose the derby 1:0 vs. Newell´s away a game better played by the winner team and win in good form, in previous date too lose 0:2 vs. River Plate home a game than River Plate played with 10 men from 27´minutes first half and finished win by two goals of difference, for this match Rosario Central have his best team available. Racing comes of draw 1:1 vs. Banfield home a game very discreet with very few situations of goals, in previous date win 2:3 vs. Quilmes away (neutral venue) a game better played by Racing than win in good form, now have change of coach, his new coach is G. Costas. In my opinion Racing is a classic team away, they play much better away to when play home, 2-3-2 is his register away (nothing bad) and in the last 5 date they not lose (they not lose away with Boca 2:2), Rosario Central is a mediocre team, without great players, his best quality are his fans, 3-1-3 is his register home. I think Racing have great chance of obtain a good result, i don´t see lose to Racing today.

nachoman · 12-05-07, 03:39

Match: San Lorenzo vs. River Plate
Pick: San Lorenzo DNB
Odds: 1,86 Pinnacle
Stake: Medium 5/10

Match very important in the fight by the championship between San Lorenzo vs. River Plate to be disputed in the stadium 'Nuevo Gasometro' Buenos Aires city. San Lorenzo comes of lose 2:1 vs. Velez away a game very equal, with few ideas and very fight, for today match have only one absence Silvera (strikers) very important. River Plate comes of draw 1:1 vs. Independiente home a game very bad played by the 'millonarios' than deserved lose, for today match have many injury as Tuzzio, Belluschi, Farias. In my opinion San Lorenzo it´s play much better to River Plate, San Lorenzo have a register 7-0-0 home and they have great confidence in his own forces, River Plate really play bad, with many problems internal between coach and players, and very bad yield of his best players. Really i think than San Lorenzo have much more chance to win than to lose this match and with this handicaps DNB is a nice bet San Lorenzo.

Greek08 · 12-05-07, 07:56

Quote:

Looking at the prehistory and Independiente's absences i prefer under here:

05-NOV-06 Newells Old B. 0-1 Independiente
19-MAR-06 Newells Old B. 2-0 Independiente
06-OCT-05 Independiente 2-0 Newells Old B.
02-JUL-05 Newells Old B. 1-1 Independiente
12-DEC-04 Independiente 2-0 Newells Old B.
22-FEB-04 Independiente 1-1 Newells Old B.
10-AUG-03 Newells Old B. 0-0 Independiente
16-MAR-03 Newells Old B. 2-2 Independiente
25-AUG-02 Independiente 1-1 Newells Old B.
21-FEB-02 Newells Old B. 3-2 Independiente
29-AUG-01 Independiente 0-1 Newells Old B.
05-JUN-01 Newells Old B. 0-1 Independiente

Twelve matches only 2 matches over!When Independiente is the host all matches ended with under 2.5goals!

1-1FT

Achilles · 12-05-07, 23:17

Pick: Over 2.5
Stake: 6/10 Odds: 1.99
Bookmaker: 10bet

ESTUDIANTES (LA PLATA): 21- Mariano Andújar; 14- Marcos Angeleri, 6- Agustín Alayes, 4- Josimar Mosquera y 2- Pablo Álvarez; 7- José Sosa, 22- Rodrigo Braña y 11- Juan Sebastián Verón; 17- Pablo Lugüercio o 23- Leandro Benítez, 9- José Luis Calderón y 16- Mariano Pavone.
DT: Diego Pablo Simeone.

VÉLEZ SÁRSFIELD: 20- Sebastián Peratta; 23- Mario Méndez, 15- Hernán Pellerano o 2- Mariano Uglessich; 16- Maxi Pellegrino y 3- Ariel Broggi; 22- Sergio Sena, 7- Iván Moreno y Fabianesi, 27- Alejandro Cabral y 10- Damián Escudero; 26- Lucas Castromán y 9- Mauro Zárate.
DT: Ricardo La Volpe.

H2H :
01/04/2006 Estudiantes-Velez Sarsfield 1-1
26/06/2005 Velez Sarsfield-Estudiantes 3-0
17/04/2004 Velez Sarsfield-Estudiantes 3-1
29/06/2003 Velez Sarsfield-Estudiantes 0-1

In the midweek Velez eliminated by Boca from Libertadores..Velez won the game 3-1 but first game were 3-0 at La Bombonera..Velez GK Gaston Sessa is suspended after Libertadores game and he will not play this season maybe Velez will sell him..Maybe Sessa couldn't see red card Velez will be qualified from Libertadores..
Last Champion Estudiantes after bad first weeks found themselfs and they doesn't lose 8 games..They are in good run..Estudiantes star Juan Sebastian Veron probably will play next year for Sporting Lisbon..Estudiantes has 28 points same with Boca and leader San Lorenzo has 31 points..But San Lorenzo will play with River Plate tomorrow..It's could be good chance for Estudiantes..Next year Estudiantes will lost their some important players in this squad..Sosa will play for Bayern Munchen probably next year..They wants to be Clausura Champion with Simone again..
Today Estudiantes will play with 3 strikers..TD Simone doesn't choose partner of Pavone..Because Lugüercio and Calderon in very good form..Estudiantes today will play very attacking system and they only thinking about how to win..
Velez return to League after Boca defeat.They has 17 points..They're in now Libertadores stage (total point) but San Lorenzo coming very dangerous..Velez should win few games..Today Velez will play with 3 forwards again..Two teams wants to win this big game..I expect very open game..Velez has very quality forwards and Estudiantes too.Over 2.5 goal is very possible..Velez defence very bad..I watched this season many times them and second GK Peratta not ready yet..2-1 scoreline is possible..

Achilles · 13-05-07, 12:52

San Lorenzo - River Plate

Pick: San Lorenzo
Stake: 7/10 Odds: 2.35
Bookmaker: Betsson Sportsbook

San Lorenzo : Orión, A.Bianchi Arce, N.Méndez, S.
Tula, C.Acevedo, W.Rivero, D.Ledesma, C.Hirsig, S.Ferreyra, O.Fernández, G.Lavezzi, E.

DT: Díaz, Ramón

River : Carrizo, J.Ferrari, P.Nasuti, C.Gerlo, D.Rivas, N.
Galván, D.Fernández, A.Ahumada, O.Zapata, V.Ortega, A.Falcao García, R.

DT: Passarella, Daniel

H2H :
16/04/2006 San Lorenzo-River Plate 0-0
08/05/2005 San Lorenzo-River Plate 3-1
18/04/2004 San Lorenzo-River Plate 1-2
08/06/2003 River Plate-San Lorenzo 4-0

After Velez defeat San Lorenzo wants to continue their good run..Gaston Fernandez back from suspension.
Lorenzo played 7 home game and won of all..River not good at away games,6 game played and 3-2-1
In the 'Ciclon' (31), the coach Ramón Díaz confirmed the return of Gastón Fernández and so that can play Cristian Tula (is to loan of River), San Lorenzo had to pay 100 thousand pesos.
Another striker Silvera who is in good form will be on bench.
The only doubt that has the technician (will be its first official party before its former club), Walter Acevedo or Germán Voboril by the injured Aureliano Torres.
In the Los Millonarios Danilo Gerlo by Federico Lussenhoff and Nelson Rivas by Cristian Villagra, and the Colombian one Radamal Falcao will play since the beginning, since before Independent entered in the second time.
Forwards Farias and Rosales still injured..
Two sensitive drops will be without doubts those of Eduardo Tuzzio and Fernando Belluschi, both affected of a strong flu.
I don't expect River will be champion this year..They disappointment with Passarella at Libertadores.Today their best player and dynamo of midfield Belluschi will not play..Best defender Lussenhoff and best forwards Rosales and Ernesto Farias still out..This is very difficult match for River..In the last games River showed poor performances :
06/05/2007 River Plate-Independiente 1-1
02/05/2007 Colon-River Plate 0-0
River not good effective on goal lines without Farias and Rosales..Today Ortega and Falcao will play forward line..After alcohol scandal Ortega return to fields..But his performance really bad..Today San Lorenzo found big oppourtinity..River without many regulars and out of form..If San Lorenzo wants to be champion and keep point difference they have to win this game..I believe San Lorenzo will open River defence with Gaston Fernandez (6 goals) and Lavezzi..San Lorenzo looking much better.

RMCF · 13-05-07, 16:40

http://www.oddsoddsodds.com/goto/odds/s1/g314606/m1/d0/
:idea: :idea:

Please any info?????, home win????

Achilles · 14-05-07, 16:40

I cannot still believe San Lorenzo..River played without many important players and River played 85 minute with ten men..They missed some chances but couldn't open River defence.