Handball Kiel-Veszprem

igg · 01-03-07, 08:55

20:00 THW Kiel - MKB Veszprém KC Champions League M 1.05 17.00 11.00

odds expet

1st game ended

Veszprem-Kiel 39-36

some infos and statmens from local newspaper:

in previous game kiel has his rytam: 36 goals, 22 misses, 10 lose balls, 68 atttacks. Lovgren-4, karabatic-10?, Ahlm-6, andersson-6, in konterattacks- 12 goals. goalkeepers omeyerßanderso 17 saves

Zdravko Zovko coach veszprem: I think that we have enough space for even better game. i wasnt satisfayed with start of the game, we didnt stop their counterattacks, they had 100% shoot in 1st 10 min.. but we manage to follow their rytam, and that we feel that they were tired in the 2 half.
we have some new combos for the todays game. its important how willi be opening, goalkeepers, judges.

kiels players states that atmosphere was excellent, that it was noicey, so we couldnt make any talks on the field, yust with mimics we understand each other. in ostseehalle kiels playground they expect same atmosphere.

coach serdarusic: for 50 min we have contol over the game then peric (goalkeeper) locks his doors and bring back veszprem to the game

local odds O/U

67/Kiel-MKB Veszprem 1,90 10,00 1,90

hcp

-7/Kiel-MKB Veszprem 1,90 10,00 1,90

for me hcp is maybe too big

infos opinos welcome thx

taflo19 · 01-03-07, 10:29

I like hcp +6, is good enougf fro me, couse:

-Kiel is too good at home...
-At first game Kiel controled game almost all time.
-I think that Kiel wont give chance to Fotex and try to make as big as they gets diff. IMO Kiel need +4 and why no to make more then +7 and make sure that youa re in semis.
-Fotex isnt good enough for Kiel and semis CL
-Reffs are from RUS
- Kiel lost just one game in Europe at home in 22 games
http://championsleague.eurohandball....1X,2003#scroll

-Fotex won just 5 away games in last 12 games
http://championsleague.eurohandball....1X,1832#scroll

Magyarország · 01-03-07, 13:02

HI

My pick over.

Kiel very aggressive attack,no defense, home match many-many goal.
Veszprem not bad,very good players. Kiel unhappily better.

pred.score cca. 40-34

over 66 very good my predict

01-03-07, 13:33

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Originally Posted by Magyarország

HI

My pick over.

Kiel very aggressive attack,no defense, home match many-many goal.
Veszprem not bad,very good players. Kiel unhappily better.

pred.score cca. 40-34

over 66 very good my predict

l am not so sure about that....l have in mind that fotex will play for long attacks and will try to score with very good actions cos in other case this is only good for kiel as we know kiel is one of the best in that.i mean in conter attacks.
so i am sure fotex coach zovko will try to slow down tempo cos as i said in other case this can kill fotex very fast.

and this is also reason why l like here fotex +6.5.
also l remember goalkeeper peric when he played in celje and he always did great job in that kind of matches.l am sure today will be great again.

brumerschneffermaister · 01-03-07, 16:09

Kiel obvious OVER!
Look stats. There is no defence against kiel... In german league one flensburg, or one gummersb. or hamburg or lemgo or magd. did not stop the machine called KIEL ('em all

), they had not been even close to slow down tempo against KIEL..so. The question is: IS VESZPEREM BETTER TEAM THAN FLENS,GUMMER,HAMB...?
I DO NOT THINK SO!
Kiel will play their game. Veszprem will try to follow K. but at the end they will cry... I mean -the only way for kiel to go throw to the next round is to play fast from the beggining and than to save the distance, and they are the team which will be dominant and dictate tempo.
I supose someth. like this:
5.min---> 6-2 (3contaattacks)
10.min---> 10-4 (more contras..)
20.min---> 16-9 etc...

final: 38-31 or 42-36

P.S. -look veszprem's results. they prefere fast tempo also more than slow. Peric is retired from national serbian team. He is old, have not the sharp need for this game. Even he would play perfect -simply it is not enough for stop kiel's players shooting many many times on his goal, and stop tham scoring...

01-03-07, 17:42

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Originally Posted by brumerschneffermaister

Peric is retired from national serbian team. He is old, have not the sharp need for this game.

cos he is retired from NT and cos he is old mean that he is not great anymore?

pls stop with this crap.

cos of him fotex won 1st match..he made 23 saves.

chrom14 · 01-03-07, 17:53

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Originally Posted by puntek

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also l remember goalkeeper peric when he played in celje and he always did great job in that kind of matches.l am sure today will be great again.

Well, if anything, then Peri***263; was known to freeze in BIG matches while he was in Celje and the only season he was good in those big matches was the season Celje won CL.

Otherwise, he was well below his standards, especially in those famous games against Barcelona!!!

01-03-07, 18:06

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Originally Posted by chrom14

Otherwise, he was well below his standards, especially in those famous games against Barcelona!!!

yes with barca and we all know who was king in that time....they were far better than others.

taflo19 · 01-03-07, 19:29

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Originally Posted by puntek

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Originally Posted by brumerschneffermaister

Peric is retired from national serbian team. He is old, have not the sharp need for this game.

cos he is retired from NT and cos he is old mean that he is not great anymore?

pls stop with this crap.

cos of him fotex won 1st match..he made 23 saves.

I can agree that, the fact he is retired from NT means he is not good anymore. (that retaire is so strange and it is long story) but look this way...
In first game he had 23 saves and Kiel scored 33 goals (as I remember). Let say that he cant make same fantastic game again (I am sure in that). If he had 17 saves (it is also very good for GK) that can be 39 goals. Also I am sure that Kiel will played faster now at home ground

taflo19 · 01-03-07, 19:30

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Originally Posted by puntek

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Originally Posted by brumerschneffermaister

Peric is retired from national serbian team. He is old, have not the sharp need for this game.

cos he is retired from NT and cos he is old mean that he is not great anymore?

pls stop with this crap.

cos of him fotex won 1st match..he made 23 saves.

I can agree that, the fact he is retired from NT means he is not good anymore. (that retaire is so strange and it is long story) but look this way...
In first game he had 23 saves and Kiel scored 33 goals (as I remember). Let say that he cant make same fantastic game again (I am sure in that). If he had 17 saves (it is also very good for GK) that can be 39 goals. Also I am sure that Kiel will played faster now at home ground. No mather what Kiel will score more then 33 golas but question is how much will score Fotex.

brumerschneffermaister · 02-03-07, 06:31

39-32 ft

hmm... somehow i knew it will be 7 difference..

About Peric - i didn't say he is not good gk, or he was in past times bad/ awful (or s'thing like that) -that he was not then excellent or extra good or simply the best, - i said he is NOW only a piece (big or small, never mind, but piece) of that Peric, and that's why i think (and said) he lost his sharp (tell me: and why he is fotex player and not kiel's or barca's?maybe he did not want that? And why?)...
But in one thing we all agree: Peric couldn't be (and was not) precedent factor for so many goals in his net ,and loss -but his team is, with their awful defense, with bad tactic... Tell me which GK on this world is capable to defend 1 on 1 clear shot opportunity many times and to have unbelievable % efficacy? Peric or any GK in that situation/moment is helpless...