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Old 16-03-18, 16:58   #331
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When odds "are a little high" sbobet now voids like a singbet and ibc. Got recently another bet voided at game Wexford - Drogheda
At the same when you misclick or odds were significantly low (like you made bet on Over 2.5 on odds which was correct for Over 2.25) - you will never get your bets voided.
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Old 16-03-18, 23:38   #332
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Since ibc limits on my account significantly dropped (by 30%) in last month I've asked sportmarket and got an interesting answer:
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we work with a large number of different bookmakers, exchanges, agents and syndicates. This allows us to offer additional bookmakers and higher limits in some accounts to select users at the discretion of our partners, and normally subject to the user's betting style.
It's similar to what asianconnect said:
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there are basically 2 kind of bets that goes into the books.
smart and stupid bets.
with agent in between, when they know the customers are losers they take the max PT of example 70%. so the book get only 30% of the stupid bet
but for smart bets, agents take 0% of this bets and make commission out of turnover. 100% of the smart bets goes to the book.
after many many years, losers get lesser, smarts get more. profit for books get less. hence such decision.
In other words sportmarket does discrimate winners by limits and by number of bookmakers offered.
In comparison, vodds.com manager insisted they do not discriminate users. Though I've seen opposite reports.

Pinnacle limits in sportmarket are ~35% than I can get. But I can't complain since I have another marketplace available.
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Old 01-04-18, 10:27   #333
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This weekend ibc(maxbet) has beaten its record and voided 5 bets on 3 games. And the weekend isn't over yet.
Almost indistinguishable from their singbet2 partners.

Limits for ibc in sportmarket slightly increased from 55 to 61 euro. It's 93 euro in vodds for comparison. Pinnacle limits are also 2 times higher in vodds.
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Old 03-04-18, 08:16   #334
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This weekend ibc(maxbet) has beaten its record and voided 5 bets on 3 games. And the weekend isn't over yet.
Almost indistinguishable from their singbet2 partners.

Limits for ibc in sportmarket slightly increased from 55 to 61 euro. It's 93 euro in vodds for comparison. Pinnacle limits are also 2 times higher in vodds.
It's higher in vodds until they decide to stop taking the position against you. It's 46 for me on low limit IBC markets (1st half handicaps / totals in lower leagues).
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Old 03-04-18, 22:05   #335
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Profiling players goes deeper than just different limits.
It may be that ibc voided bet made in sportmarket and did not void bet made at the same time on same position in vodds.
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Old 04-04-18, 08:25   #336
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I add isn(betisn, isn88.com) to the list of voiders: sing2, ibc, sbo, isn.
If broker marked your account as winner you will get more and more your bets voided.
If you dared to take 2.75 instead of 2.45, 3.9 instead of 3.4, 8 instead of 6 - bookies will tend to void your bets.
Only pinnacle is left. I often take positions when pinnacle's offer is significantly better than any other - none of bets were voided yet.
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Old 05-04-18, 08:54   #337
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I add isn(betisn, isn88.com) to the list of voiders: sing2, ibc, sbo, isn.
If broker marked your account as winner you will get more and more your bets voided.
If you dared to take 2.75 instead of 2.45, 3.9 instead of 3.4, 8 instead of 6 - bookies will tend to void your bets.
Only pinnacle is left. I often take positions when pinnacle's offer is significantly better than any other - none of bets were voided yet.
we have no complaints before that isn,sbo will void bets. Are you betting directly on the bookie site or thru molly bet? are the voids from mollybets ?
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Old 06-04-18, 16:08   #338
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You don't have information - it's your problem. Vodds said the same. Though broker has plenty more bets in your system than individual bettor.
Bets made through sportmarket broker, mollybet software.

You or your predecessor, asianodds, told us truth about profiling users.
qual1ty00 above also backed that limits are different for winners and losers
But sportmarket insists that they know nothing:
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"Marking" accounts is not something that we can do as we are never providing the customer details to the bookmakers. Apart from you, other customers of Sportmarket Pro are using the same exact accounts you are using so those claims about "marked accounts" are not backed up by anything and are simply not correct.
Sportmarket contradicts themselves:
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This allows us to offer additional bookmakers and higher limits in some accounts to select users at the discretion of our partners, and normally subject to the user's betting style.
Difference in limits is based on profiling bettors. I think now that percent of bets been voided in ibc,isn is also higher for accounts marked as winners.
sbobet voided once or twice, sbo doesn't void systematically yet
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Old 06-04-18, 19:21   #339
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Why do we continue this kind of discussion at all? Asians profile customers since some 5-6 years ago, only they do it in a much subtler and smarter way than the soft bookies.

It's what it is, and it will remain that way until EU doesn't implement lawful obligations for all EU licensed to accept a preset loss to any bet, to any customer, like the Australian model. I follow the UK media on the topic, and this has big chances to happen, but it will easily take another 5 years in making.

So we're just sticking to the exchanges and the Asians until then, with all their deformities, etc.
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Why do we continue this kind of discussion at all? Asians profile customers since some 5-6 years ago, only they do it in a much subtler and smarter way than the soft bookies.

It's what it is, and it will remain that way until EU doesn't implement lawful obligations for all EU licensed to accept a preset loss to any bet, to any customer, like the Australian model. I follow the UK media on the topic, and this has big chances to happen, but it will easily take another 5 years in making.

So we're just sticking to the exchanges and the Asians until then, with all their deformities, etc.
Well said, and things will get worse in Asia soon. At end of day, it will be no books for winners.
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Default ga288 commission in vodds

How much I will get if I won 1 euro bet made on ga288? 1.416 or 1.428 ?

It will be 1.42 if I made bet on sbo.
It seems that vodds doesn't allow to take the best odds in such cases as you can't opt out of some bookies(untick) like you may do in sportmarket.
sportmarket fairly charges 0.5% of ga288 commision and you see overpriced odds only in bet history
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If you use only one broker - vodds at the moment, you may miss best prices.
Vodds doesn't have status bar that is showing which bookies are not available at the moment.
It may be that sbobet prices are not available in vodds and you won't have information about that. At the same time you could get sbobet prices in mollybet brokers/agents.

Speaking of troubles in vodds, you can't get list of unsettled orders sorted by date games are played.
Simplest function to find bets to be settled soon.
vodds is like a software written by unprofessionals compared to mollybet white label
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Old 19-04-18, 21:43   #343
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Sportmarket simply cannot calculate all bets. They usually leave 2-3 bets that are unsettled for hours, sometimes days.
For now sportmarket even do not answer my mails about that bets for half a day already.
All bets are for italian Serie A games played at April, 18.
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I have some questions about asianodds.

I am not sure how does it works when i make a bet via asiaodds88, bookies knows who make bet or it is one account for all asianodds88 users?

Maybe it happens only to me but I think sbo changed their method of accepting bets.
Sometimes when I make under bet than they accept it pretty fast, but when I make over bet than I have to wait 2-3 min till they accept it.
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Old 15-05-18, 20:40   #345
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This is the normal practice of all Asians since some 5-6 years ago. Sbo were the last not to overreact with the OVER delays, but lately they slowly start to roll down too.

The betting platforms like Molly and the others work via centralized accounts. The bookmaker doesn't know which is the customer in any given moment, unlike the personal bookie brokerage accounts. So it's not personal limit to you, just business.
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vodds drops 0.03 now after maximum bet is placed (odds 1.8->1.77, 2.29->2.25 and so on)
At the start it was 0.02 drop or no drop at all in some cases.

At the same time sportmarket lowered limits for ibc again. Max is as small as 56 euro now for lower leagues.
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I see many leagues / single games with lower limits per click than 56 eur at ibc daily, mainly in the cases of suspicious games or Asian traps. This has been the case for the last 2 years or so, it's not something new.
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I've meant standart limit for a lot of lower leagues. Like Brazil Serie C, D, Japan 3, Colombia.
For a 3-4 weeks it increased to 61, now it droped to 55 again.
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some of the brokers applying sbo PT at 50% as we speak. Likely most will follow.
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some of the brokers applying sbo PT at 50% as we speak. Likely most will follow.
I believe this is only for the SBO accounts, made by brokers, and not for Molly.

What does it concern you anyway? This just means if you have 500 currency units in your account, your balance will be 1000, but only 500 of it withdrawable (naturally).
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I believe this is only for the SBO accounts, made by brokers, and not for Molly.

What does it concern you anyway? This just means if you have 500 currency units in your account, your balance will be 1000, but only 500 of it withdrawable (naturally).
this means all limits will be cut in half...
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Only if SBO decides it, and it will be league by league decision.

Anyway, the limits are the smaller of our problems.
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I will clarify;

If right now you have 240 EUR limit on Polish 2nd league Handicap, whenever SBO forces agents to take 50% position, agents won't take the risk themselves they will just offer us 120 EUR - that's why all the limits in SBO will be cut in half. That's the same what happened in signbet / ibc.
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Bookie called ga288 is no longer available for me in sportmarket. Despite low turnover and negative balance for all time in this bookie (positive in last month).
Lately sportmarket switched off 18bet, cmd and afb bookies in my account. That's how profiling users work.
I have access to ga288 in vodds. Do you have ga288 available in sportmarket.com?
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Bookie called ga288 is no longer available for me in sportmarket. Despite low turnover and negative balance for all time in this bookie (positive in last month).
Lately sportmarket switched off 18bet, cmd and afb bookies in my account. That's how profiling users work.
I have access to ga288 in vodds. Do you have ga288 available in sportmarket.com?
Hi Raabe, yes i can use ga288 in sportmarket. Its very strange.
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ga288 is now available for some games, I managed to make a bet
I remembered that sportmarket long-long time ago turned off individual totals of ibc in my account. For a moment vodds offered me individual totals, but now I don't have even pinnacle's individual totals available in vodds.
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Irresponsible broker sportmarket deceives you when it shows incorrect team names.
And sportmarket deceives you when it shows incorrect game format. It never shows you when game is played in 80-minutes format, for example. In opposite regular bookie usually shows you such important information. In case of regular bookie you can see what team names are mentioned. But broker substitutes original bookie's team names with its own team names from their vocabulary, not so seldom names in broker are incorrect and broker never wants to be responsible for the deception.

More than that. Even when I pointed out unusual game format, broker sportmarket prefers to keep their clients uninformed.
Probably it is more a mollybet problem and sportmarket possibly can't change details of league so quick.

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vodds answered:
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We regret to inform you that individual totals is not available in VOdds.
Do you have Individual totals for World Cup available in vodds? I don't.
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From 11th June, sbobet limits will be halved due to forced PT. Similar to IBC.
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Kind out of the loop last years, care to explain what PT is?
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