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Old 22-06-10, 22:53   #31
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Monthly prizes or yearly...?
MOnthly could be difficult to make.
Yearly is a bit long. Need to look into this.
There will be prizes though.
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Old 23-06-10, 10:51   #32
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I have a question regarding elimination phases, where one game decide.
I think let's say Spain - Mexico will finish 0:0, but of course, since this is elimination game it can't end that way, there will be extra time and if not goal then, penalties.


My question is: is this only 90 minutes bet like it should be, or maybe extra time is also valid?
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^ yes iam also confused? its elimination round now, are we inputting for the first 90 minutes?????
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Old 26-06-10, 08:17   #34
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Hmm im not 100% certain on this myself.

After looking at the questions raised on the software forum, Ive found the following:-

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which to me looks like you are betting on the match result which also means if its a draw, you are predicting the final score including penalties. (as in for example 1-1 at the end of ET plus 5-4 pens would be 6-5)

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=238043

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Old 26-06-10, 08:51   #35
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Hmm...I would have thought it was full time results, without penalties, but as CG have found, it looks like including extra time and penalties.
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Old 26-06-10, 12:53   #36
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If a game ends draw lets say 1-1 and X team won 5-4 in penalties, correct score will be 6-5, right?
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Old 26-06-10, 13:31   #37
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LOL, what a bad idea it would be if it's true.


Probably we will only know for sure after today.
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Old 26-06-10, 15:49   #38
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Still 56 users's bets are DRAW on USA - Ghana match. I am afraid that they still didn't read those posts, here.
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Old 26-06-10, 16:46   #39
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The problem is that no one on here is 100% certain what will happen. The only way is for 1 game to go to penalties to prove to us all.
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Old 26-06-10, 17:34   #40
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Only sensible thing would be to settle bets based on full time score, 90 minutes.
But we'll wait and see. Scores are settled by third party servers anyway, so we'll see.



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Excellent initiative BA, thanks Grefstad.
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It's seams like 90 minutes counts only,no extra time,which is right!
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Might be because i input the FT score as 1-1 to try it. It still might reset at match end.
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It includes extra time, since I got 2 points for Ghana win by one
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I think extra time should not count, because when you bet on 1x2 or AH (or nearly every market) only 90 minutes count.
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Old 27-06-10, 08:15   #46
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I think extra time should not count, because when you bet on 1x2 or AH (or nearly every market) only 90 minutes count.
BA has no control over this. I tried inputting the score at the end of 90 mins but when the software updates itself, it obviously takes the match result from the source that it gets its results from. Therefore it probably will be based on the score including penalties as well.
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If you read the link that CG posted earlier you can read that they are using the final score after possible extra time and penalty shoot-outs.
I think this is pretty weird as well since no one is going to guess 5-6 (on penalties eventually) since those chances are pretty small and you don't get extra points or anything.
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It is wierd, yes. Likely other forums using the same software will complain to the central server about this, so they correct the score to be valid after 90 mins.
That would be correct imho.

BA has no control over this though, since results come from a centralized server hosting the competitions.

Will follow this up
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But, competition has become more and more interesting if ET + penalties included. There are many users who thought that competition will calculate only 90', but there are even more users who thought that it will calculate 90' + ET + penalties, including me
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When you enter the contests, and see the fixtures, example under the FIFA WC contest, there is an "Report error in fixtures" link at the bottom.

Here you can write a message to the contest creators.

I have written about the settlements of the WC bets, which shoudl be after 90 mins only.
Lets see if they make amends.

Also found they had the wrong date for Norwich-Watford on Aug 7, which now is moved to Aug 6 due to Sky coverage.

(yes, I will be one hell of a contender for Eng CHampionship this season)...
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Well, I think we have here a big misunderstanding.
For the yesterday games, when you updated results long ago after second game was finished, I had 4 points. 2 points for Uruguay-South Korea 1-0 (it was 2-1) and 2 points for the USA-Ghana 0-0, (it was 1-1). But now I see that for the game USA-Ghana my score is 0 points.
Does that mean that now you have decided that the extra time is is important for this contest? It's were not written nowhere in the rules.
I think it's wrong, because we who have draw as final outcome,are not in equal position.
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Well, I think we have here a big misunderstanding.
For the yesterday games, when you updated results long ago after second game was finished, I had 4 points. 2 points for Uruguay-South Korea 1-0 (it was 2-1) and 2 points for the USA-Ghana 0-0, (it was 1-1). But now I see that for the game USA-Ghana my score is 0 points.
Does that mean that now you have decided that the extra time is is important for this contest? It's were not written nowhere in the rules.
I think it's wrong, because we who have draw as final outcome,are not in equal position.

Agree to this. If extra time and penalties count, then it will be total discrimination of those who chose to bet on X on the game.
A bet on X will always be wrong in such a case, since the match will eventually get a winner.
Therefore, I hope the contest creator changes this.
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Sorry, just now I saw that you already talk about this. In any case, I think that is valid only 90 minutes.
@Dus@n, I understand that you prefer more an option with extra time(your choice was Ghana win)but try to be realistic. You also mentioned the possible penalties.Well,it is not good,because how then someone who had a draw, could hit the corect result?
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Sorry, just now I saw that you already talk about this. In any case, I think that is valid only 90 minutes.
@Dus@n, I understand that you prefer more an option with extra time(your choice was Ghana win)but try to be realistic. You also mentioned the possible penalties.Well,it is not good,because how then someone who had a draw, could hit the corect result?
For sure, it is not good ET + penalties to be counted, but, as in this topic, somebody wrote that it will be counted even ET + penalties, many of users has decided NOT TO bet on draw, like me. In any case, half users will be satisfied with it, half users won't.
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Agree to this. If extra time and penalties count, then it will be total discrimination of those who chose to bet on X on the game.
A bet on X will always be wrong in such a case, since the match will eventually get a winner.
Therefore, I hope the contest creator changes this.
But when?We must know if draw option is on!Because after 90 minutes probably draw is better option since this are elimination matches!
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For sure, it is not good ET + penalties to be counted, but, as in this topic, somebody wrote that it will be counted even ET + penalties, many of users has decided NOT TO bet on draw, like me. In any case, half users will be satisfied with it, half users won't.
Yep, I was going to bet on a draw as well but then changed to 1-2.
From what I have been reading on the other forum it doesn't seem very likely that they will change this very soon. So it might be a good idea to make an official statement somewhere on the BA forum concerning this rule.
Although it is unlucky for the people who put in a draw, I don't think it is fair to people like du$an and myself either to change it again.

I think they made it this way to force people to predict a winner of these knockout stage games. It is an interesting concept but they should have made it more clear that they were working in this strange manner.
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lol i had 1-1 and i was in 6 th position when i turn of PC in 94 min FT now i see i was robbed

i think the fair will be to finish this comepetition manually
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USA-Ghana finished 1-1 in regular time, but as I saw, only the ET. result (1-2) counts... This is not fair. Instead of 3 points added, now I have 0.
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Try complaining to the people who make/distribute the software as we have no control over this.

Also doing it manually isnt going to happen imo.

Now that we know what happens, we all simply have to place our predictions using this system.
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OK, now at least we know for the future.
But I have another very important question on which I think you should give us an answer now while World Cup is not over yet.
Here's what I am interested in: Currently a lot of guys are in the top of the table of World Cup contest, with about 50 points. Since not many games are left until the end of World Cup,it is possible that two or more of us, at the end have the same number of points. I think it is important that we know already now what will happen in this case. Will the award be divided between those who have the same number of points, or will be applied some other criteria. For example, a higher number of exactly predicted results (but here also may be tied).
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