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Old 10-09-17, 14:54   #1
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Old 10-09-17, 22:24   #2
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Besiktas are a decent team and they are stronger than last season. I don't understand why Porto are clear favourite like this. Porto's first choice striker Aboubakar was on-loan at Besiktas last season and he was not a regular striker there. Strangely, Aboubakar is suspended here because of his red card in Besiktas last season. Maxi Pereira (Is he injured? he was not in squad in the last 30 days) is also suspended for Porto. Besiktas have stronger squad than Porto. 'Names' are not playing on the pitch, but Besiktas are also a decent team by the aspect of organisation. They are able to play their game even in away games. Besiktas got two draws against Benfica last season, both with late goals, but overeally Besiktas were no worse than Benfica. I am on Besiktas +1 AH @ 2.00 SBOBET. I think this line should be +0.50, at most.
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Old 11-09-17, 08:29   #3
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One of our biggest improvements from what we've seen on the last seasons, probably the most important one, is the attitude on the field. With Conceição as a manager players run and fight for the ball, there is no place for laziness like with some other dumb coachs like Nuno Espirito Santo and etc.

I have some concerns for this game. Aboubakar is out and he is a big miss because we are short on almost every single position. Marega and Soares will start at frount, most probably (unless Conceição prefers to start MCO Otávio and having a striker on the bench, otherwise he won't have). It's sad that after so many years wasting tons of money in mediocre players and rentable deals for the administration and friends, our only reinforcment for this season was a goalkeeper that is the 3rd option. We are lacking options on some positions and i'm afraid we will have big troubles if one or two key players gets injured.

Our group is one of the most unpredictable of the competion because every team will get points from the others, that means home games are crucial for the final standings.
Porto will want to win the game, in a group like this one the first game at home may define the whole group stage but i don't see Porto pressing hard from the start to score earlier. I don't know what to expect from Besiktas gameplan but if they plan to give us the ball and counter attack to try to score a goal, under may be a good option.
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Old 11-09-17, 08:35   #4
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Maxi Pereira (Is he injured? he was not in squad in the last 30 days) is also suspended for Porto.
Ricardo Pereira is better than him. And yes, i also agree that line should be at +0.5 . 5 wins on 5 games with 13-0 goal average is a good sign but this is Champions League and the level is much higher, with all the respect for our internal rivals.
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Old 11-09-17, 10:55   #5
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I am with Rado here. This is example of "reputation pricing". Porto gets such handicap only because of their name and reputation, but Porto has been far from their past strength in the last few seasons, when they consistently underperform in Liga Sagres and Europe, and are full of mediocre players.

This Besiktas team is very well-gelled, developed and reinforced for several seasons under the same manager, and having earned plenty of European experience and confidence after last season's run in Europe League. I think Besiktas excels Porto in terms of experience, individual quality and team chemistry.

The handicap should be -0.25 at best, never -1
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I can not imagine BJK won't be able to score against Porto. BJK to score @ 1.79 is banker.

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Besiktas missing several players, such as Töre, Gonul, Boyko and Nukan, how big of a blow are these absences? Porto has been trashing their opponents at home this season and looked good but this is obviously a step up in competition. This is a tricky group for every team, very interesting.

Some thoughts from Turkish tipsters would be appreciated.
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Besiktas missing several players, such as Töre, Gonul, Boyko and Nukan, how big of a blow are these absences? Porto has been trashing their opponents at home this season and looked good but this is obviously a step up in competition. This is a tricky group for every team, very interesting.

Some thoughts from Turkish tipsters would be appreciated.
Only Gonul is important. Rest is already out of squad or rotation players. But BJK has good backup players for Gonul. Missings have no effect.

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Besiktas missing several players, such as Töre, Gonul, Boyko and Nukan, how big of a blow are these absences? Porto has been trashing their opponents at home this season and looked good but this is obviously a step up in competition. This is a tricky group for every team, very interesting.

Some thoughts from Turkish tipsters would be appreciated.
Gokhan Tore was on-loan at West Ham last season and he missed the 2nd half of 2015-2016 season with Besiktas due to injury. So he is out for a very long time. Besiktas have signed winger Ryan Babel one year ago and they also signed Jeremain Lens this summer. They already have Quaresma. So they have three quality wingers. Boyko is reserve goalie, Nukan is not even a matchday squad member. Gokhan Gonul is the most important missing here. The best Turkish right-back. Besiktas also parted ways with reserve right-back Beck (average player). Before international break, versatile defender Adriano played as right-back. He was not very good but still did better than Beck, not on same level with Gokhan Gonul though. Adriano also missed the last game due to injury and midfielder Necip played as right-back, he was terrible. Adriano is back from injury. Gary Medel is also an option for right-back. Still, all these players cannot perform on same level with Gokhan Gonul. So he is the only important missing.
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Thanks for a good breakdown damatoglu and Rado! Besiktas are getting underestimated by the bookies here, i have the feeling of a draw in this encounter but either team could grind out a slight win. I also like the u 2.5 in here.
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The absence of Aboubakar is one a notable one. He is the main guy in this Porto team in attack I think. Porto certainly are much lower odds than they should be but I still rank them as the likelier winner. Besiktas not always the most reliable in Europe and Porto are very strong at home.
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Besiktas +1.5 or Besiktas not to lose?
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I don't see value backing the home team here at such odds and I don't believe Besiktas will be able to grab a victory. I rather look at goals tonight and pointing to under 2.5 goals

Porto's main strength this season is their defense. A lot of quality commanded by Danilo. Everyone in Portugal is giving credit to Sergio Conceição because he managed to reunite the club again despite having few resources (financial fair play limited their budget for the season). The main problem is Porto's bench and second choices. Even though their starting 11 is really strong, when someone is missing you notice a decrease qualitywise. And there's a huge gap between what Aboubakar can deliver and Tiquinho or Marega. Tiquinho is probably one of the dumbest strikers around. He has strength and battles a lot but brain? Zero. Marega... Well, wait and see for yourselves

Although Porto lacks finishing, I think they will be able to control possession and this will give little room for Besiktas to attack. Porto's fullbacks Alex Telles and Ricardo, alongside Danilo, Oliver, Corona and Brahimi will be the core of Porto's football and Talisca, Hutchinson, Ozyakup and Necip Uysal they're not going to have an easy night.

I don't expect a lot of goals because usually Porto's possession football doesnt generates a lot of chances. Without Aboubakar is even harder for them to score. Also, I don't believe Besiktas will be able to balance possession and attack regularly. That's why I think everything points to under 2.5 goals
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Besiktas are an offensive minded team so you always need to be careful with unders when Besiktas are involved. Not only for this game, generally. Good luck.
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Rado, what's the turkish media prediction for the starting 11?

Fabri; Adriano, Pepe, Tosic, Caner; Hutchinson, Özyakup, Quaresma, Talisca, Babel; Negredo ?
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Besiktas are an offensive minded team so you always need to be careful with unders when Besiktas are involved. Not only for this game, generally. Good luck.
I agree. For under predictions above only home side is considered. BJK is easy conceder, easy scorer...
A first half goal will drive the match to over. And I am sure that BJK will score at least 1 goal.

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8.2 on Besiktas, really? Half of team are proven winners (Champions League, Copa America, Euro, EPL and so on), dunno why odds so high, maybe something we don't know, but i will take anyway.
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I am thinking to bet all the bank on +1.25 BJK

Last year BJK was destroyed by referees. Will we see something like that again?

Or is it a trap to make bettors move on home side, fake dog?

There is nothing reasonable with those odds.


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I see a lot of love for Besiktas. You people are very brave for betting on Turkish teams. On paper they might look good but on the field they let you down most of the time.
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I see a lot of love for Besiktas. You people are very brave for betting on Turkish teams. On paper they might look good but on the field they let you down most of the time.
It is not about BJK. It is about odds. Last year in naples(when napoli was in an unbeaten series) BJK odds were 7.25. And BJK won 2-3.

Today it is 8.5, it is unbelievable.


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I agree, odds are not correct, Besiktas has more chances to get something here. +1.5 in combos is a safe deal i feel. =)
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Really great thread with lots of quality info. Cheers, guys!
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Grande Besiktas, grande eagles!
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GG guys, very clever thoughts
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Besiktaaaaaas! Nice fake pump. Porto bettors tried to mess with Rado and his info on turkish teams, keep trying
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I bet on BJK at 5th minute @8.5. Great profit today

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Thanks and congrats to other members who shared infos. Besiktas did not surprise anyone in Turkey. Still, it is not easy to play like this on this level. And for some parts in the 2nd half, Besiktas were all over the place. Porto were dominating the game but they lacked quality in the penalty area. Aboubakar's return will be a boost for Porto but I think this team is nowhere near of old Porto.
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I agree, odds are not correct, Besiktas has more chances to get something here. +1.5 in combos is a safe deal i feel. =)
And safe it was xD

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