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Old 11-06-18, 10:19   #361
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PT= Position Taking = Lay

Agents are required to take 50% PT on members bets.
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Old 11-06-18, 16:29   #362
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In spotmarket limits for sbobet are reduced by 50% too.
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Old 19-06-18, 16:37   #363
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vodds is doing maintenance for 20 minutes. In the middle of gameday
Cannot cancel future order. Consider that vodds are unprofessionals. If odds changed significantly you must have opportunity to cancel the orders. Otherwise orders will be accepted automatically when service will be alive again. Such unprofessionals.
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Old 22-06-18, 10:17   #364
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Vodds changed its interface a bit.
They added function of changing existing future order, promote its affiliate program everywhere, added announcements and status line like in mollybet.
Limits for pinnacle are as low as 9 euro. In sportmarket it is 50 euro.
Still no brokers available. And still no pinnacle's offers for individual totals for the World Cup.
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Old 23-06-18, 21:42   #365
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vodds offers 3 times higher limtis for sbobet on my account than sportmarket: 555 euro in vodds against 150 in sportmarket on same position
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Old 30-06-18, 16:17   #366
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Default vodds doesn't add up sum of cancelled Future Order

At 16:20 I posted Future order
At 16:25 I cancelled it. I've noticed in the Bet log tab that "stake successfully refunded".
But it was not added to balance. I've reloaded the page from time to time. Stake was added to balance only when game started at 17:00.

It's not first or second time I see this problem in vodds.
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Old 10-07-18, 15:08   #367
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Default Do not send bank deposits to vodds now

email from vodds:

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Temporary Termination of Bank Wire as deposit method
Please be informed that over the weekend, we were informed by our bank that our bank account will be closed due to a discontinuation of services for gaming clients at their end. Please do not process any transfers to the bank account you were given earlier. As of now, we are working on a new banking solution and we will advise as soon as possible.
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Old 14-07-18, 19:14   #368
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Default sportmarket has constant problems with small bookies

3 weeks ago 2 big bets on game Poland - Colombia made in ga288 were settled. 2 days ago they suddenly became unreconciled. That means at least these bets are constantly shown in list of all open bets. I can't see any difference in balance now, anyway it is hard to track changes in bets settlement on mollybet platform.
That bugs are annoying.
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Old 29-07-18, 14:33   #369
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Thumbs down isn bets are Pending for hours in sportmarket

Old problem in sportmarket with isn pre-match bets happens more often.
Twice in a day bets after placing are in status "Pending" for hours.
I don't know whether bets are accepted or not.
What's worse sportmarket is not answering for mails at night for 8-9 hours. Your game could have already finished and you still don't know whether that bet was accepted or not.
Order is shown as open. But you cannot cancel it. Pressing "X" button does no effect.
With help of support you can sort it out in ~15 minutes. Most times such "always pending" bets are not accepted.
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Old 03-08-18, 16:19   #370
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Exclamation double charges from account in sportmarket

Check bets settlement page for the previous week.
Search for 2 consecutive equal lines and check every case whether it was two equal bets in order or such "bug".
I had cases when funds were wrote-off from balance twice if bet was lost. Only after several days one write-off was returned with "value update" note. I wouldn't even notice that double write-off without "value update" later.
You have to monitor bets settlement manually, who knows what other bugs in software they have.
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Had case with sbobet in France Ligue 1. Game scheduled for 19th August.
I placed bet at 12th August for odds 1.67. 10 minutes before odds were 1.82. There was a huge odds drop.
Because of "minor delay in Vodds due to some technical issue encountered" information that my bet was voided appeared in Order details only at 18th August.
sbobet only replied with one standard phrase "General Rule no.15.", as usual
If I placed bet directly in sbobet, I could post complaint to sbobet's regulator in Isle of Man by myself
If you place bets through broker/agent, proper complainant is broker/agent
As expected vodds refused to help:
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This is because for every services that we avail, we are all bound with their terms and conditions. It's our duty to fully understand it before we avail the service/s so as to avoid any misunderstanding. I do hope that with this you'll be able to understand our stand on this case.
I regularly get direct messages with the question of what broker I can recommend. I clearly say that no broker is adequate, they cover what bookies do. In scheme when offshore bookmaker like sbobet accepts bets through broker/agent you have nowhere to go to appeal their unlawful actions.
But there are some cases when using brokers can be justified. For exampe, if pinnacle is not allowed for users from your country and you plan to use brokers to place bets only in pinnacle. Pinnacle receives your messages about bets settlement directly, though you will get answer only through broker. Despite last year, pinnacle now has significantly less cases like when game was played the day before and pinnacle still accepts bets for this game. Pinny now causes less complaints, they became more accurate. In opposite sbobet is now on the road to 1xbet.
I also noticed that you have less chance that your bet will be voided due to "incorrect odds" if bet is small, like 20 euro.
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Case in August happened with vodds as intermediate. So there is no difference what you use - vodds or sportmarket, your bets will be voided from time to time not only in singbet, but also in isn, sbo and, of course, ibc.

If you found some new broker, I would like to see the link.
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Unprofessional vodds broker is less reliable than sportmarket
This year vodds managed to make even worse their not-so-well interface and usability. Vodds makes maintenance constantly but it's getting worse and worse. And vodds puts its referral link everywhere that suggests that number of customers in vodds is not enough to succeed.
You know that start-up like vodds needs audience to grow very quickly. Otherwise they may not float and can sink down like betbutler broker.
Sportmarket has 10 times more audience and is longer in this market.

At the same time sportmarket recently decreased possibilities for clients.
1) You can have account only in EUR now.
2) And you can make bank deposit/withdrawal only in SEPA-zone(EU).
If are not in EU, prefer bank withdrawals and don't have skrill/neteller, you have to wait until "February-March 2019" which looks more like May-July when sportmarket may have SWIFT transfers available again.

Considering voiding of bets, sbobet voided more my bets this year than infamous ibc and other bookies combined.
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5 more cents to prove unprofessionalism of vodds broker
Vodds has cases of incorrect kick-off time for major leagues like Brazil Serie A. Atletico Mineiro vs Botafogo Rj was shown to be played at 2th December, in fact in was 1st December and in comparison sportmarket had correct kick-off time.
Vodds doesn't show you bet ID from bookie. You cannot contact bookie directly if you don't have bet ID.
The only option to see one particular game now is to add it to some "watchlist". Once it's added don't forget to delete it, manually. Otherwise that watchlist will be full of rubbish. In sportmarket there will be no difference: to see all games, some games or 1 game. In vodds loading of all games takes too long.
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Hello Raabe, what's your experience with asianconnect88 ?
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Hello Raabe, what's your experience with asianconnect88 ?
vodds.com is definetely bad, i had very bad experience with them, their service are worse and worse. Price for their flawed API is inadequate. If you track consecutive IDs of bets, you can conclude that vodds has only about thousand bets per day from all customers. They are small and can act like PT in case some bettor will win too much.

I didn't place any bets in asianconnect88 because I made an assessment of the available information that they are not credible.
But it is rather big broker with long time on the market. It's up to you to decide whether to send them money or not.

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sbobet voided bets in one case and didn't do it same case with similar odds
But I am to speak about vodds behaviour in this case.
Broker vodds stopped answering my emails after 3rd one when I caught them covering sbobet.
Not mentioning that vodds deliberately made 8-hour delay in answering question, I suppose, they were imitated that "maybe they contacted bookie".
vodds didn't contact sbobet at all as I asked for and when I asked directly whether did they - they changed subject of discussion without answering the question!
vodds is in practice impolite. Don't fall under impression that they are polite when you're opening account.
Vodds has shown its real face when they had troubles with neteller,skrill and bank account at the same time: during that period my question about another topic resulted in request of KYC documents.
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