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Old 11-06-18, 10:19   #361
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PT= Position Taking = Lay

Agents are required to take 50% PT on members bets.
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Old 11-06-18, 16:29   #362
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In spotmarket limits for sbobet are reduced by 50% too.
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Old 19-06-18, 16:37   #363
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vodds is doing maintenance for 20 minutes. In the middle of gameday
Cannot cancel future order. Consider that vodds are unprofessionals. If odds changed significantly you must have opportunity to cancel the orders. Otherwise orders will be accepted automatically when service will be alive again. Such unprofessionals.
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Old 22-06-18, 10:17   #364
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Vodds changed its interface a bit.
They added function of changing existing future order, promote its affiliate program everywhere, added announcements and status line like in mollybet.
Limits for pinnacle are as low as 9 euro. In sportmarket it is 50 euro.
Still no brokers available. And still no pinnacle's offers for individual totals for the World Cup.
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Old 23-06-18, 21:42   #365
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vodds offers 3 times higher limtis for sbobet on my account than sportmarket: 555 euro in vodds against 150 in sportmarket on same position
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Old 30-06-18, 16:17   #366
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Default vodds doesn't add up sum of cancelled Future Order

At 16:20 I posted Future order
At 16:25 I cancelled it. I've noticed in the Bet log tab that "stake successfully refunded".
But it was not added to balance. I've reloaded the page from time to time. Stake was added to balance only when game started at 17:00.

It's not first or second time I see this problem in vodds.
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Old 10-07-18, 15:08   #367
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Temporary Termination of Bank Wire as deposit method
Please be informed that over the weekend, we were informed by our bank that our bank account will be closed due to a discontinuation of services for gaming clients at their end. Please do not process any transfers to the bank account you were given earlier. As of now, we are working on a new banking solution and we will advise as soon as possible.
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Old 14-07-18, 19:14   #368
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Default sportmarket has constant problems with small bookies

3 weeks ago 2 big bets on game Poland - Colombia made in ga288 were settled. 2 days ago they suddenly became unreconciled. That means at least these bets are constantly shown in list of all open bets. I can't see any difference in balance now, anyway it is hard to track changes in bets settlement on mollybet platform.
That bugs are annoying.
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Old 29-07-18, 14:33   #369
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Thumbs down isn bets are Pending for hours in sportmarket

Old problem in sportmarket with isn pre-match bets happens more often.
Twice in a day bets after placing are in status "Pending" for hours.
I don't know whether bets are accepted or not.
What's worse sportmarket is not answering for mails at night for 8-9 hours. Your game could have already finished and you still don't know whether that bet was accepted or not.
Order is shown as open. But you cannot cancel it. Pressing "X" button does no effect.
With help of support you can sort it out in ~15 minutes. Most times such "always pending" bets are not accepted.
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Old 03-08-18, 16:19   #370
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Exclamation double charges from account in sportmarket

Check bets settlement page for the previous week.
Search for 2 consecutive equal lines and check every case whether it was two equal bets in order or such "bug".
I had cases when funds were wrote-off from balance twice if bet was lost. Only after several days one write-off was returned with "value update" note. I wouldn't even notice that double write-off without "value update" later.
You have to monitor bets settlement manually, who knows what other bugs in software they have.
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Had case with sbobet in France Ligue 1. Game scheduled for 19th August.
I placed bet at 12th August for odds 1.67. 10 minutes before odds were 1.82. There was a huge odds drop.
Because of "minor delay in Vodds due to some technical issue encountered" information that my bet was voided appeared in Order details only at 18th August.
sbobet only replied with one standard phrase "General Rule no.15.", as usual
If I placed bet directly in sbobet, I could post complaint to sbobet's regulator in Isle of Man by myself
If you place bets through broker/agent, proper complainant is broker/agent
As expected vodds refused to help:
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This is because for every services that we avail, we are all bound with their terms and conditions. It's our duty to fully understand it before we avail the service/s so as to avoid any misunderstanding. I do hope that with this you'll be able to understand our stand on this case.
I regularly get direct messages with the question of what broker I can recommend. I clearly say that no broker is adequate, they cover what bookies do. In scheme when offshore bookmaker like sbobet accepts bets through broker/agent you have nowhere to go to appeal their unlawful actions.
But there are some cases when using brokers can be justified. For exampe, if pinnacle is not allowed for users from your country and you plan to use brokers to place bets only in pinnacle. Pinnacle receives your messages about bets settlement directly, though you will get answer only through broker. Despite last year, pinnacle now has significantly less cases like when game was played the day before and pinnacle still accepts bets for this game. Pinny now causes less complaints, they became more accurate. In opposite sbobet is now on the road to 1xbet.
I also noticed that you have less chance that your bet will be voided due to "incorrect odds" if bet is small, like 20 euro.
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Case in August happened with vodds as intermediate. So there is no difference what you use - vodds or sportmarket, your bets will be voided from time to time not only in singbet, but also in isn, sbo and, of course, ibc.

If you found some new broker, I would like to see the link.
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Unprofessional vodds broker is less reliable than sportmarket
This year vodds managed to make even worse their not-so-well interface and usability. Vodds makes maintenance constantly but it's getting worse and worse. And vodds puts its referral link everywhere that suggests that number of customers in vodds is not enough to succeed.
You know that start-up like vodds needs audience to grow very quickly. Otherwise they may not float and can sink down like betbutler broker.
Sportmarket has 10 times more audience and is longer in this market.

At the same time sportmarket recently decreased possibilities for clients.
1) You can have account only in EUR now.
2) And you can make bank deposit/withdrawal only in SEPA-zone(EU).
If are not in EU, prefer bank withdrawals and don't have skrill/neteller, you have to wait until "February-March 2019" which looks more like May-July when sportmarket may have SWIFT transfers available again.

Considering voiding of bets, sbobet voided more my bets this year than infamous ibc and other bookies combined.
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5 more cents to prove unprofessionalism of vodds broker
Vodds has cases of incorrect kick-off time for major leagues like Brazil Serie A. Atletico Mineiro vs Botafogo Rj was shown to be played at 2th December, in fact in was 1st December and in comparison sportmarket had correct kick-off time.
Vodds doesn't show you bet ID from bookie. You cannot contact bookie directly if you don't have bet ID.
The only option to see one particular game now is to add it to some "watchlist". Once it's added don't forget to delete it, manually. Otherwise that watchlist will be full of rubbish. In sportmarket there will be no difference: to see all games, some games or 1 game. In vodds loading of all games takes too long.
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Hello Raabe, what's your experience with asianconnect88 ?
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Hello Raabe, what's your experience with asianconnect88 ?
vodds.com is definetely bad, i had very bad experience with them, their service are worse and worse. Price for their flawed API is inadequate. If you track consecutive IDs of bets, you can conclude that vodds has only about thousand bets per day from all customers. They are small and can act like PT in case some bettor will win too much.

I didn't place any bets in asianconnect88 because I made an assessment of the available information that they are not credible.
But it is rather big broker with long time on the market. It's up to you to decide whether to send them money or not.

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sbobet voided bets in one case and didn't do it same case with similar odds
But I am to speak about vodds behaviour in this case.
Broker vodds stopped answering my emails after 3rd one when I caught them covering sbobet.
Not mentioning that vodds deliberately made 8-hour delay in answering question, I suppose, they were imitated that "maybe they contacted bookie".
vodds didn't contact sbobet at all as I asked for and when I asked directly whether did they - they changed subject of discussion without answering the question!
vodds is in practice impolite. Don't fall under impression that they are polite when you're opening account.
Vodds has shown its real face when they had troubles with neteller,skrill and bank account at the same time: during that period my question about another topic resulted in request of KYC documents.
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sportmarket;

IBC voids a lot of winning bets. They will settle losing bets as lost and void winning bets on the same game. Really terrible and started today - already on 2 games. Be careful with IBC they changed

IBC becomes another Signbet?

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Old 07-01-19, 23:58   #379
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qual1ty00, for sure. I wish I had received your message earlier.
In 2019 I got terrible signal: ibc is voiding regularly now

All bets I made on same market. Game started at 22:30.
07 Jan 2019 20:44:05 Bet 6619747627 done: 33.00 (of 33.00) @ 2.140
07 Jan 2019 20:44:05 Order closed: order_filled
07 Jan 2019 23:35:45 Bet 6619747627 void: 33.00 (of 33.00) @ 2.140

Odds were moving. I placed big order with long time closing like 1 hour. Look at timestamps how ibc voided bets inside that order:
07 Jan 2019 23:35:13 Bet 6619763160 void: 57.50 (of 57.50) @ 2.230
07 Jan 2019 23:35:31 Bet 6619762912 void: 60.50 (of 60.50) @ 2.170
07 Jan 2019 23:35:36 Bet 6619752300 void: 60.50 (of 60.50) @ 2.170
07 Jan 2019 23:50:02 Bet 6619763650 void: 24.00 (of 24.00) @ 2.210
07 Jan 2019 23:50:03 Bet 6619763194 void: 57.50 (of 57.50) @ 2.230

ibc selectively voided bets they've lost after 1st Half ended But ibc left only 2 bets with odds like 2.0.
Odds were corresponding with odds in the world. Not a problem with that.
I remember how ibc voided bets on Real Madrid, so there is no difference what size is that market.

ibc said:
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Due to abnormal bets ...
Remember "abnormal bet pattern" used by singbet(sing2) as an excuse for stealing?
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As we are an intermediary, we can only reflect the bookie's grading and cannot influence their decisions.

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I advise you: withdraw money from sportmarket when they will be able to send SWIFT bank transfer(now sportmarket cannot and it's a signal by itself).
Sadly there is no other broker. But voiding bets that way is unacceptable.
Last year I withdrew almost everything from vodds(had several cases with sbobet there), this year it's done with pair: sportmarket and ibc. I was sure sportmarket will be covering what ibc has done:
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we are not a bookmaker and we don't have a take into voiding bets or how bookmakers settle certain events
Even more, sportmarket nodded me that they can remove ibc from my account:
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If you want to remove IBC from your betting portfolio, we will gladly assist you on that so you can avoid having issues like this in the future.
Meanwhile sportmarket continues to show you ibc without an asterisk like sing2* misleading users about nature of ibc.
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Sportmarket found out that I have good % in sbo. So sportmarket has limited me like 5 times comparing to limits I still have for sbo in vodds.
What sportmarket is doing is clear: sportmarket subscribed to my profits in sbobet. Sportmarket himself places additional 80% of actual limit to 20% they show as limit to me. Since I somehow found out a way to beat sbobet with best % among all bookies, sportmarket gets more profit now not from commissions, but sportmarket shears* winners taking 80% of winners' profits.
I don't have good % in ibc and my limit for ibc is like 60 euro in sportmarket now comparing to like 80 I had year before. Almost the same ibc limits in sportmarket and vodds.
In contrast with my limits in sbobet in sportmarket that were reduced significantly.
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its the same for all Molly-based brokers - I don't think brokers can do anything about it since it's IBC voiding these bets. The same happened with premiumtradings yesterday.
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qual1ty00, brokers earn from commissions or bite off winners' profits following their bets
Anyway brokers earn money only if client is still with them and makes turnovers. vodds suspends your account if you didn't make a bet in last 30 days.
If some broker(especially stubborn as the wall sportmarket) thinks client will stand that accelerating robbery (mostly from ibcbet/maxbet and sbobet) forever, they're wrong.

I looked web stats for 3 biggest brokers as for now.
Sportmarket.com website is now 366376-rd in the world

But vodds.com has now global rank position 331690 ! It is more popular that sportmarket! vodds was recently trailing far behind by indirect indicators.

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It doesn't necessary means that vodds has more turnover. But vodds has 90% clients from Hong Kong, that guys have money for sure. Whilst sportmarket.com has most clients from Greece and Switzerland, the last one looks like popular vpn-server location.
And don't forget that vodds has mirrors not included here. On the contrary, sportmarket closed it's bookmaker-like clone.

Still sportmarket is better in convinience of using website whilst vodds remodels its dashboard to the worst, I think. Vodds' support has much lower time of response.
Vodds has now SWIFT(and free!) bank wire transfers, sportmarket doesn't. 1 year ago situation was reverse. sportmarket is losing now according to reliable numbers of popularity in the world.

asianodds is more diversified but still is alike: 347848-rd website in the world


That's an interesting picture.
We see that world of brokers is rapidly changing. Rank goes up and down.
3 main brokers are in tough competition at this moment though that doesn't lead to better service.

Mollybet.com platform itself is used for betting with global rank of 337384 Gambit Research' betting software is used directly to offer betting by some agents/brokers like totusbet, mollybet's own agent.

Whilst agent Karl with betinasia.com is out of the game with 2280569-th position at the very bottom of internet. At the same graveyard premiumtradings, known for robbery of comrade efekan, is buried with 2803208-rd position
Nothing better is agent/broker bet-ibc.com with 1143807-rd position. But bet-ibc is a scam just like ibcbet/ibc/maxbet is.

P.S. Be aware of referral links. E.g., sportmarket offers up to 200 for each depositing player. Vodds bothers you with referral link everywhere on its interface. They want you to bring them your friends. Don't sell them your friends for 200.
Check the links before you click on it. If the link trails with "?affiliateid=", "/?refer=" and alike then the one that offered you that link wants to earn money on you and he doesn't care about your losses
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Raabe, I read you always complaining and complaining and ok, it's a free world and of course you can do it but I don't understand what do you think you will achieve by doing it here.

Qual1ty00 has a point: if the bookie cancels a bet, there's nothing the broker can do and in the end it's the same situation for all brokers or even if you bet directly in the bookie.

So what's the point of looking at brokers' visit stats??
Just use the bookie that won't cancel your bet or stop betting.
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MNC, try to google distinction between betinasia and vodds, for example. Most info will be advertising and no one will tell you what lies beneath that ads.
I remember how I was thinking about the offer to send money to bank account as a "gift". People will not do complete search and they don't know many aspects of grey zone of soccer brokers.

Number of user IDs, public info of how many people use websites, number of voided bets are good estimates whether you can trust broker/agent.
I don't understand aim of your criticism. You don't add your experience with brokers here. You don't say anything constructive or anything that may help people do right choice. If all that you propose after the robbery is to wait for the next one as "there is nothing you can do" - I'm sorry for you, you are de-facto playing on bookie side.
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Raabe,
my point is...that there is no point!
You can complain here and you have all the right to do it but it won't change anything. Bookies cancel bets just because they can (it's in the T&C we all accept) and because 99.99% of the people gets angry for 10 minutes max and then they forget and keep betting.
Same goes with brokers like mollybet, asianodds, etc: they are not responsible if bookies cancel bets and people will keep using them because it's comfortable not to have 5 different accounts to find the best price.
It's all part of the (unfair) rules and it's like complaining about european bookies limiting winning accounts. It will just keep happening.

And about advertising and lies, I would never give my money to a website I have no reference or opinion from friends and people I trust.

I appreciate you taking the time to post your experiences and opinions but again: nothing will change (at least not for the best).
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Dig into how soccer broker's economy works in addition to my previous post :
RATE PRODUCTS/SERVICES
0.125% Maxbet, Pinnacle Sports, Sbobet, BetISN, GA288
0.1% Matchbook, Skype betting, (Broker)
0.25% Singbet
0.08% Asianodds

And that's how much an affiliate of asianodds earns! Broker itself should receive same % or even more.
It's "Guaranteed LIFETIME Commissions - Keep earning as your referral keeps on betting!"
So once you've registered (clicked on referral link) that referral will be suscribed to your effective turnover (receive his %) forever.

Evidence from the actual affiliate of soccer broker:
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The agent takes 0.125% commission and the platform takes 0.125% commission win or lose, from the bookie - i.e. the bookie is paying the agent to bring them the liquidity, because the model works on liquidity
Scammers from bet-ibc promises even more: "You will earn up to 0.4% commission of your player***8217;s total turnover."

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