View Full Version : Heart of Midlothian (SCO) - Athens AEK(GRE) 09/08/2006
Odds from Gamebookers
2.15 3.20 3.10
For me it's value on HW. 2.15 for a team which I rate is better than AEK and should play in Champions League? Plus first game at home - it's ne***1089;***1089;esary to win. Hearts players are in good shape. After defeating Celtic earlier today, they are even more self-confident. AEK till now only playing friendly games so it should be also a factor in favour of Scotish side. Heart's forward Bednar, midfielder Cesnauskis are playing really good. Don't need to mention Presley and other good players. I'm certainly taking HW here with 7/10
Hearts have the upper hand cause of home advantage and because their league has started already while AEK has only played friendlies. Be careful though AEK is a better team than last year and seemed in good shape in friendlies. I see away win very unlikely but a draw is not out of the question.
I believe 1X is pretty much safe.
So how AEK squad looks like? In terms of names of course... :wink:
So how AEK squad looks like? In terms of names of course... :wink:
They bought young international Lagos form Iraklis (left midf) and their midfield with him looks completely different. In the friendly vs Benfica was the best player on the pitch creating all three goals. Don't know much about the other players they bought but their team now looks like scoring much more easily.
I think that Greek football and league are much stronger than Scotish in every aspect...
-AEK knows how to defend
-Hearst had big problems to break Bosnian defence in previous round(they didnt broke it at all in second clash)
-AEK was prepairing only through the friendly games,thats true,but Hearts had big derby today with Celtic and in that match they lose much power and strength,it was high intensity derby until end of the game...
-So value cant be in low 2,15 offered by bookies,because this is IMO 51%-49% match in favour of Hearts just because of home field!
-So value lies in 1,47 offered for AEK not to lose game and 3,2 for straight AEK victory
My prediction:Hearts-AEK 1-1
Hearts played pretty good on home. they beat Celtic. eventhough they have to play harder to get the winning goal. I think AEK is not bad either. I hope Heart will do much better this time to beat AEK. HW for this game.
ScottishFitba
07-08-06, 12:33
Greek teams are notorious bad travellers, how can you say 1.47 not to lose is value?
Hearts will win this match without a doubt, anything above evens is fantastic value and you should be lumping on!
Hearts just beat Celtic confortably, would you consider AEK Athens a stronger opponent than Celtic?
I dont think so.
Hearts 10/10!
SaloNika -GreeCe
07-08-06, 12:50
Greek teams are notorious bad travellers, how can you say 1.47 not to lose is value?
Hearts will win this match without a doubt, anything above evens is fantastic value and you should be lumping on!
Hearts just beat Celtic confortably, would you consider AEK Athens a stronger opponent than Celtic?
I dont think so.
Hearts 10/10!
Behave man. Ok, Hearts is the favory but your facts and stake are more than redicolus.
Romanian_guy
07-08-06, 12:54
Salonika what can you tell us about AEK and about it's form right now. I'm expecting a realy great atmosfere in Scotland and in fact this is the reason why Hearts is favorite. I've looked for info's but i haven't found only in greek language and I couldn't understand nothing.
SaloNika -GreeCe
07-08-06, 12:57
I will write some things when time come (at night or tommorow). AEK is still in preparation but they overcame easily Benfica in a friendly match 3-1. The match in Scotland is another story of course. Be back later...
AEK this year is a mistery for greeks as well guys.Their new coach Serra Ferrer is trying to change the team's tactics and make them more offensive. Last year's coach Santos played a 4-3-3 that made AEK a really boring to watch but due to the facts of PAO being a mess, several goals in the injury time and lots of 1-0 wins AEK finished second.
So Serra Ferrer now tries 4-4-2 system.The most important new players are Lagos ,very talented offensive midfielder, and Pautaso right defender,but they lost very very important defensive midfielder Katsouranis.It is reported that their starting eleven should be :
Sorentino
Pautaso, Dellas ,Cirilo, Georgeas
Lagos ,Emerson,Ivic ,Julio Cesar
Kapetanos ,Lyberopoulos
As I told AEK is mystery for me. The good thing about last year was that they had defensive stability. This year with the new tactics I don't know if they will achieve this. I don't like the fact that Kapetanos is starting ,even if he scores in this match I will still rate him as mediocre player ,not suitable for this level. Also AEK should have replaced Katsouranis ,but didn't.
Furthermore I can get out of my head last year's permofance of PAO at the qualifiers. They were in similar position with Malesani trying to build something new . The result was terrible perfomance against Wisla but they progressed after Galinovic saved them.It's also quite logical for this to happen as greek teams often struggle not only in group stages (Olympiakos my team :oops: ) but also in qualifiers , because the championship always starts late and the teams are not as fit as they should.
I would apreciate the opinion of scottish members as I am not familiar with Hearts and what kind of team they are .After their opinion we can decide :wink:
Hearts is maybe a slight favourite above AEK, but just in the first game,
because i dont think they have ever played in such a place like Athens.. :lol:
good luck to them in Greece, but i can't see AEK out.
Greek teams are notorious bad travellers, how can you say 1.47 not to lose is value?
Hearts will win this match without a doubt, anything above evens is fantastic value and you should be lumping on!
Hearts just beat Celtic confortably, would you consider AEK Athens a stronger opponent than Celtic?
I dont think so.
Hearts 10/10!
I watched Celtic against the reserves of Man Utd and I can say that AEK is stronger that them :wink:
i believe that hearts are the favourites here. i do not expect a 3-0 win but for me since they play at home and have already won against celtic 1 or 2 goals from hearts are almost sure. aek is not ready yet as the greek league hasn't started yet.
for me the only thing aek can hope for is a 1-1 draw or maybe 2-1 defeat so that in athens with a 1-0 win they will play at the champ. league.
actually i am thinking to bet on 2-0 exact score for hearts.there is no way for an aw.
my picks:
hw: spbet @2,15 7/10
draw : spbet @3,20 2/10
exact score 2-0: eurobet @8,50 1/10
or maybe 1x : eurobet @1,25 10/10!!!!!! ---but it's too low :(
gl to all
ScottishFitba
07-08-06, 14:49
Please stop with those offending posts,IF you have something smart to say then say it / Hill
Paradygmat
07-08-06, 19:14
"The participation of Greek teams in this year's tournament was in doubt following FIFA's suspension of the Hellenic Football Federation from all international competition because of government interference in the running of the sport in Greece. However, FIFA lifted its ban on 12 July 2006 after Greece amended a new sports law to address FIFA's objections".
Did Greek teams really belived in suspension? Did they prepared well to the CL 3th round? I'd like to know about AEK transfers - in / out - any good players?
On present moment I'm thinking about HW 1:0 or 2:1
"The participation of Greek teams in this year's tournament was in doubt following FIFA's suspension of the Hellenic Football Federation from all international competition because of government interference in the running of the sport in Greece. However, FIFA lifted its ban on 12 July 2006 after Greece amended a new sports law to address FIFA's objections".
Did Greek teams really belived in suspension? Did they prepared well to the CL 3th round? I'd like to know about AEK transfers - in / out - any good players?
On present moment I'm thinking about HW 1:0 or 2:1
this was not the first time that fifa warned greece for that kind of suspension. i think there had been the same warning twice at the past years. trust me on this: there was no greek team that was afraid for a suspension like this. every team here was preparing normally.
gl :D
For me it's value on HW. 2.15 for a team which I rate is better than AEK and should play in Champions League?
Hearts is not better than AEK. You can compare anything and still AEK will be superior in terms of league, players, european experience... The only thing is that in similar cases, teams are not in top shape in this kind of season and there are many factors that can ruin the day for any team... It seems too unpredictable for most first legs in this round... Don't overstake in first game, second will be much clearer imo...
I think that Greek football and league are much stronger than Scotish in every aspect...
-AEK knows how to defend
-Hearst had big problems to break Bosnian defence in previous round(they didnt broke it at all in second clash)
-AEK was prepairing only through the friendly games,thats true,but Hearts had big derby today with Celtic and in that match they lose much power and strength,it was high intensity derby until end of the game...
-So value cant be in low 2,15 offered by bookies,because this is IMO 51%-49% match in favour of Hearts just because of home field!
-So value lies in 1,47 offered for AEK not to lose game and 3,2 for straight AEK victory
My prediction:Hearts-AEK 1-1
- Hearts also knows how to attack
- They won 3-0 in first leg and they didn't NEED to break the Bosnian team's defence in the second leg and had there mind on the Celtic clash.
- It wasn't a derby. Celtic is from Glasgow and Hearts is from Edinburgh. This is only Hearts' second league game of the season. If there already tired ('lost much power and strength' as you said) I don't how are they gonna face the rest of the season. Don't forget these are professionals we are talking about.
- If you give Hearts 51% then 2.15 IS value. Isn't it? :wink:
Must say I am impressed by Hearts so far. Romanov invested in the club and he wants CL football badly. Not only that generates more revenue for the club but also will make the club more easier to attract good players because of the chance for them to play in the CL. I watched there game against Celtic and they fully deserve the win. Even more impressive is the fact they managed to score late even after the Celtic equaliser.
Hearts will miss Hartley and Webster though, two key figures of the team that finished 2nd in SPL and won the Scottish Cup. However, Hartley has been out for a while and Webster has been frozen since end of last season because he wants to move to EPL and refuse to sign contract extension.
For AEK I don not know much about them but the Greek league is of better quality than the SPL if you compare team by team. However, I rate the current Hearts capable of surviving in the EPL so maybe we shouldn't compare these 2 teams by there league.
All in all I will give Hearts around 45% (2.22) of winning this game due to home advantage and better match fitness. The current best price is 2.2 and it's about right. It's better to look somewhere else if your looking for a value punt.
Good luck all.
Can you tell where will be played the match ....
AEK this year is a mistery for greeks as well guys.Their new coach Serra Ferrer is trying to change the team's tactics and make them more offensive. Last year's coach Santos played a 4-3-3 that made AEK a really boring to watch but due to the facts of PAO being a mess, several goals in the injury time and lots of 1-0 wins AEK finished second.
So Serra Ferrer now tries 4-4-2 system.The most important new players are Lagos ,very talented offensive midfielder, and Pautaso right defender,but they lost very very important defensive midfielder Katsouranis.It is reported that their starting eleven should be :
Sorentino
Pautaso, Dellas ,Cirilo, Georgeas
Lagos ,Emerson,Ivic ,Julio Cesar
Kapetanos ,Lyberopoulos
As I told AEK is mystery for me. The good thing about last year was that they had defensive stability. This year with the new tactics I don't know if they will achieve this. I don't like the fact that Kapetanos is starting ,even if he scores in this match I will still rate him as mediocre player ,not suitable for this level. Also AEK should have replaced Katsouranis ,but didn't.
Furthermore I can get out of my head last year's permofance of PAO at the qualifiers. They were in similar position with Malesani trying to build something new . The result was terrible perfomance against Wisla but they progressed after Galinovic saved them.It's also quite logical for this to happen as greek teams often struggle not only in group stages (Olympiakos my team :oops: ) but also in qualifiers , because the championship always starts late and the teams are not as fit as they should.
I would apreciate the opinion of scottish members as I am not familiar with Hearts and what kind of team they are .After their opinion we can decide :wink:
This approach is very accurate... AEK is a mystery in this time of season, as most teams would be... They definetely miss a striker upfront and Kapetanos scoring against Benfica can mean nothing, as this is a serious game and inexperience can count just too much... AEK has some new signings, but most of all a new coach and a new formation. 4-4-2 means different game in midfield, one less player, so both defensive midfielders should do what three guys did in last season and Emerson, now 36-37, plus Ivic are not top class. On the other hand, AEK has been in such kind of clashes many times in the past qualifying over Rangers and other teams and the traditionally greek teams advance to the group stages, but almost always after a struggle.
Hearts is on the rise, seems to be in good form, it takes one to overcome Celtic, but i've no idea of their gameplay, players and approach to the game... Can anyone clarify these important factors in the game?
Hearts is on the rise, seems to be in good form, it takes one to overcome Celtic, but i've no idea of their gameplay, players and approach to the game... Can anyone clarify these important factors in the game?
Well what do you think? After takeover in last year from a Russian millioner after Hearts were leading after some 5-10 rounds of SPL is very obvious that he wanted to buy a club that can go to CL. And this is their main goal in this year I believe. But the guy isn't Abramovic and Hearts aren't Chelski. Big motivation IMO.
AEK this year is a mistery for greeks as well guys.Their new coach Serra Ferrer is trying to change the team's tactics and make them more offensive. Last year's coach Santos played a 4-3-3 that made AEK a really boring to watch but due to the facts of PAO being a mess, several goals in the injury time and lots of 1-0 wins AEK finished second.
So Serra Ferrer now tries 4-4-2 system.The most important new players are Lagos ,very talented offensive midfielder, and Pautaso right defender,but they lost very very important defensive midfielder Katsouranis.It is reported that their starting eleven should be :
Sorentino
Pautaso, Dellas ,Cirilo, Georgeas
Lagos ,Emerson,Ivic ,Julio Cesar
Kapetanos ,Lyberopoulos
As I told AEK is mystery for me. The good thing about last year was that they had defensive stability. This year with the new tactics I don't know if they will achieve this. I don't like the fact that Kapetanos is starting ,even if he scores in this match I will still rate him as mediocre player ,not suitable for this level. Also AEK should have replaced Katsouranis ,but didn't.
Furthermore I can get out of my head last year's permofance of PAO at the qualifiers. They were in similar position with Malesani trying to build something new . The result was terrible perfomance against Wisla but they progressed after Galinovic saved them.It's also quite logical for this to happen as greek teams often struggle not only in group stages (Olympiakos my team :oops: ) but also in qualifiers , because the championship always starts late and the teams are not as fit as they should.
I would apreciate the opinion of scottish members as I am not familiar with Hearts and what kind of team they are .After their opinion we can decide :wink:
This approach is very accurate... AEK is a mystery in this time of season, as most teams would be... They definetely miss a striker upfront and Kapetanos scoring against Benfica can mean nothing, as this is a serious game and inexperience can count just too much... AEK has some new signings, but most of all a new coach and a new formation. 4-4-2 means different game in midfield, one less player, so both defensive midfielders should do what three guys did in last season and Emerson, now 36-37, plus Ivic are not top class. On the other hand, AEK has been in such kind of clashes many times in the past qualifying over Rangers and other teams and the traditionally greek teams advance to the group stages, but almost always after a struggle.
Hearts is on the rise, seems to be in good form, it takes one to overcome Celtic, but i've no idea of their gameplay, players and approach to the game... Can anyone clarify these important factors in the game?
Xaralas, tell me, is AEK some kind of invisible team, they are a mistery before every season, last year at the same time, people were writing the same thing...
I think, this is going to be a tough game for Hearts anyway, AEK gameplay wont suit them surely, Hearts will have problems with Greece defence IMO. I would like them to win, but wont jump on such odds...
:?
Xaralas, tell me, is AEK some kind of invisible team, they are a mistery before every season, last year at the same time, people were writing the same thing...
Last year's situation had nothing to do with this one, Mac... This season, AEK has some transfers in and a new coach and people in the team claim their aim is to win the title (the greek one of course), which they would never say last season. Things look better financially and getting the 2nd place in the league has made them feel more confident.
Still, most teams are a mystery early in the season... The image of AEK we have from last season and what they showed in the most serious friendly against Benfica is totally different. AEK has been a very solid team all season, nothing spectacular, many (MANY) late wins, big determination and unity, but nothing close to a pacey attacking side, like they were against Benfica winning fairly 3-1... I believe this friendly can take us elsewhere and the team will approach the game in a very expected manner. Many players in have less european experience, but everyone in AEK expects and wants that qualification.
Hearts may have a wealthy owner, but they have nothing to do with Chelsea or anything. When they sign Karypidis from PAOK, not in top15 best greek central defenders and when their roster is inferior to AEK, i don't see how they can transform themselves and win their way to the group stage against a team that is used to play in Europe and has some successful participations in CL phases...
First game is do or die for Hearts while AEK should be the survivor here. They will go defensively and look for counters. This is the usual case in similar occasions. AEK has minimum possibilities to come victorious, but the draw is something like a victory as well. Still, first game of season for AEK, as it was for Panathinaikos last year against Wisla, where they lost 3-1... So, yes, AEK is a mystery and this game is hard to predict. On the other hand, the second should be a different case. So, be patient, that's my call...
Can you tell where will be played the match ....
It will not be played at Tynecastle as Hearts will wanna get a bigger crowd. It will be played at Murrayfield, home of Scottish rugby. Hearts have played there a few time already in the past so shouldn't be a problem.
Good luck all.
Can you tell where will be played the match ....
It will not be played at Tynecastle as Hearts will wanna get a bigger crowd. It will be played at Murrayfield, home of Scottish rugby. Hearts have played there a few time already in the past so shouldn't be a problem.
Good luck all.
How is Hearts doing there traditionally?
I would go for a DRAW in that one - Hearts is relatively unexperienced squad in Europe, and AEK are the european record holders for achieved draws in CL, just check the stats.
I would go for a DRAW in that one - Hearts is relatively unexperienced squad in Europe, and AEK are the european record holders for achieved draws in CL, just check the stats.
Don't get fooled by that statistic. AEK just managed to have 6 draws in the group and still not qualify some years ago...
Can you tell where will be played the match ....
It will not be played at Tynecastle as Hearts will wanna get a bigger crowd. It will be played at Murrayfield, home of Scottish rugby. Hearts have played there a few time already in the past so shouldn't be a problem.
Good luck all.
How is Hearts doing there traditionally?
They played there before in the UEFA Cup.
Sep 16, 04 Hearts 3 - 1 Sp.Braga (UEFA Cup)
Nov 4, 04 Hearts 0 - 1 Schalke 04 (UEFA Cup)
Dec 16, 04 Hearts 0 - 1 Ferencvaros (UEFA Cup)
That was a weaker Hearts side compared to the current team though.
Recently, they beat Osasuna 2-0 there in a friendly and beat Siroki Brijeg 3-0 in last rounds CLQ.
Good luck all.
Pick: AEK Athens 8/10
What to say for a team that couldn’t beat Siroki in Bosnia? AEK had probably the best season in recent time and I believe they are capable of winning easily in Scotland. Greek league is much stronger then scottish one. With these odds I see great value on AW.
LOL
My friedn if you take this bet I am sure you will only LOSE a lot of money 8O
You seem to think Greek football is of a high level :lol: ... oh dear ... if you think AEK can go and win at Hearts with losers like Emerson in the 1st XI then I can only laugh.
Go on and throw away your money :P
I don't like the fact that Kapetanos is starting ,even if he scores in this match I will still rate him as mediocre player ,not suitable for this level.
Kapetanos is Serra Ferrer's favourite player, he believes in his potential, so expect that the youngster will show up in many games of AEK this season.
You seem to think Greek football is of a high level :lol: ... oh dear ... if you think AEK can go and win at Hearts with losers like Emerson in the 1st XI then I can only laugh.
Go on and throw away your money :P
Are you sure you are not underestimating the greek side and the greek football a little too much? :roll:
Xaralas, tell me, is AEK some kind of invisible team, they are a mistery before every season, last year at the same time, people were writing the same thing...
Last year's situation had nothing to do with this one, Mac... This season, AEK has some transfers in and a new coach and people in the team claim their aim is to win the title (the greek one of course), which they would never say last season. Things look better financially and getting the 2nd place in the league has made them feel more confident.
Still, most teams are a mystery early in the season... The image of AEK we have from last season and what they showed in the most serious friendly against Benfica is totally different. AEK has been a very solid team all season, nothing spectacular, many (MANY) late wins, big determination and unity, but nothing close to a pacey attacking side, like they were against Benfica winning fairly 3-1... I believe this friendly can take us elsewhere and the team will approach the game in a very expected manner. Many players in have less european experience, but everyone in AEK expects and wants that qualification.
Hearts may have a wealthy owner, but they have nothing to do with Chelsea or anything. When they sign Karypidis from PAOK, not in top15 best greek central defenders and when their roster is inferior to AEK, i don't see how they can transform themselves and win their way to the group stage against a team that is used to play in Europe and has some successful participations in CL phases...
First game is do or die for Hearts while AEK should be the survivor here. They will go defensively and look for counters. This is the usual case in similar occasions. AEK has minimum possibilities to come victorious, but the draw is something like a victory as well. Still, first game of season for AEK, as it was for Panathinaikos last year against Wisla, where they lost 3-1... So, yes, AEK is a mystery and this game is hard to predict. On the other hand, the second should be a different case. So, be patient, that's my call...
Thanks, mate!
:)
i consider Hearts as a championship level team,something like Southampton lets say,south played against Panathinaikos recently,and the result was draw,Aek looks better than Panatha at the moment,my mind here goes to DRAW/AWAY DOUBLE,i cant see Hearts winning this
GL!
i consider Hearts as a championship level team,something like Southampton lets say,south played against Panathinaikos recently,and the result was draw,Aek looks better than Panatha at the moment,my mind here goes to DRAW/AWAY DOUBLE,i cant see Hearts winning this
GL!
Hearts Championship level? :roll: :?
Oh maan... I will watch for words coz I'm pissed of like hell coz of that statement, but you are so wrong here! Hearts is team in rise, which at home can cope with anyone right now, even with best teams in the world. WTF are you saying?
Championship team? :twisted: Yeah, dominating the league with 20 plus points maybe... :lol: 8)
EDIT: Oh, I get it now. You started to follow Mister Been.
i consider Hearts as a championship level team,something like Southampton lets say,south played against Panathinaikos recently,and the result was draw,Aek looks better than Panatha at the moment,my mind here goes to DRAW/AWAY DOUBLE,i cant see Hearts winning this
GL!
Hearts Championship level? :roll: :?
Oh maan... I will watch for words coz I'm pissed of like hell coz of that statement, but you are so wrong here! Hearts is team in rise, which at home can cope with anyone right now, even with best teams in the world. WTF are you saying?
Championship team? :twisted: Yeah, dominating the league with 20 plus points maybe... :lol: 8)
EDIT: Oh, I get it now. You started to follow Mister Been.
Agree with you Hearts is not of Championship level. As I said in previous post I rate them as a team capabling surviving in the EPL. With that said, I don't think they will finish in the top 10 with the current squad though.
No offence but to say they can dominate the Championship with 20 plus points is a bit exaggerating though. They played away at Preston recently in a friendly and won 2-1.
If Hearts wants to be a force in the European competitions they will need to sign more than a few quality players still IMHO. By reaching the group stage will help a lot to achieve this.
Do agree with you they are on the rise and very confident at the moment. At home they will be tough to beat.
Good luck all.
I can't see the point in categorizing Hearts like this... EPL or Championship, AEK could lose to either of them, or win of course...
All in all, this seems like their chance... There is no way they can proceed or claim a qualification with a result other than a home win tonight. AEK will go for the draw or a 2-1 loss. 1-0 leaves everything open for second leg. Maybe a combination of scores or an under2.5 choice could be worth it here, but still, i'm all out of this. Too many undecided factors in the game...
HomeBrewed
09-08-06, 06:11
I really see Hearts winning this match, i know they don't have much Champions League experience but they have good enough players to overcome AEK at Tynecastle. If they don't get it done at home it will make it harder for them away.
:arrow: Pick:DNB Hearts @ 1.53
:arrow: Stake:8/10
Somebody could put us the injurie list please?? Because i don't find in any place.
And for the future if you would be so pleasure and you give the site where you catch the list...
Thx.
anotha mug
09-08-06, 10:32
you could fancy hearts but what stops me having the bet is that hearts aren't at tynecastle. Sure it means bigger crowds and they've played there before, but betting wise it's just that slight question mark that would stop me betting. Never forget(sorry to quote take that to you there) but hearts train to play and of style that suits tynecastle this switch to murryfield just dilutes that advantage slightly. Note what happened to arsenal when they came to wembley instead of highbury.
Hearts should sneak it or a draw, but not enough value for a bet right now.
HomeBrewed
09-08-06, 10:35
you could fancy hearts but what stops me having the bet is that hearts aren't at tynecastle. Sure it means bigger crowds and they've played there before, but betting wise it's just that slight question mark that would stop me betting. Never forget(sorry to quote take that to you there) but hearts train to play and of style that suits tynecastle this switch to murryfield just dilutes that advantage slightly. Note what happened to arsenal when they came to wembley instead of highbury.
Hearts should sneak it or a draw, but not enough value for a bet right now.
Did not realize it wasn't at Tynecastle. Hoping for the best though.
I have read all the posts regarding this match and i want to add my personal opinion here about today's match.
First of all Greek league doesnt start yet.It will start in 10 days.
Secondly AEK's squad is not complete yet.They are looking to buy a striker, the truth is that neither Lyberopoulos nor Kapetanos are strikers.
Also they are looking to buy a good midfield player (they are saying about Ibagaza,Spanish, but stil nothing is sure).
AEK this year lost one (my personal opinion) of the best midfielder of Greek league and probably in Europe.I mean Kostas Katsouranis.They sold him to Benfica and from the money that they took they made some adds to their squad but they didnt find a player like Katsouranis.
In today's match one Brazilian attacker , Mantouka (they bought him from Benfica) will not play due to the fact that Benfica didnt send his papers in Greek league so the player will not play today neither in Athens in the second game.
Also looking AEK's first eleven players that they will play today against Hearts the weak point of the team is defense.With players like Georgeas......i cant imagine that Hearts will not score.Also Dellas is not the same Dellas than two years ago.
Hearts already played two games in their league, they beat Celtic in last 10 minutes that means good pshysical situation of the team, their morale is very high, and i believe that they will beat AEK today easily.
Maybe over is a good bet, also a good bet is AEK not to score.
GL.
Olympiakos is the only team from greece ,which is very good and have good chances to play in eurocup! but the other teams from greece like aek or pana ,are very weak , the bought only old "stars" , and aek lost at home against vs. aachen 2 seasons ago in the uefa cup! HW 10/10 because the hearts are very strong at home and they have a good squad ,which has mentally and motivation power !
Olympiakos is the only team from greece ,which is very good and have good chances to play in eurocup! but the other teams from greece like aek or pana ,are very weak , the bought only old "stars" , and aek lost at home against vs. aachen 2 seasons ago in the uefa cup! HW 10/10 because the hearts are very strong at home and they have a good squad ,which has mentally and motivation power !
This is what happens when you give everyone full freedom of speech... :twisted:
I would go for a DRAW in that one - Hearts is relatively unexperienced squad in Europe, and AEK are the european record holders for achieved draws in CL, just check the stats.
Don't get fooled by that statistic. AEK just managed to have 6 draws in the group and still not qualify some years ago...
I'm not saying AEK will qualify :)
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This is what happens when you give everyone full freedom of speech... :twisted:[/quote]
But that's fact! :)
quite have the feeling u guys underrate our team and the greek football in general... the comparisons oly/aek are not as clear as u think by the way, check out the h2h and u ll see...
we have managed to get at least a draw almost against every kind of team, so i dont know where theres such an euphory now for hearts... yeah they are ok team but oh boy, this is not an international big team... u make me laugh alot...
quite have the feeling u guys underrate our team and the greek football in general... the comparisons oly/aek are not as clear as u think by the way, check out the h2h and u ll see...
we have managed to get at least a draw almost against every kind of team, so i dont know where theres such an euphory now for hearts... yeah they are ok team but oh boy, this is not an international big team... u make me laugh alot...
so is AEK a big international team???you make me more laugh,also i havent seen any greek team got a real success in eu cups
we have 5x more experience on international matches than hearts...
we have 5x more experience on international matches than hearts...
Look at today my friend,i dont talk about your pass times,i dont see any difference between greek and moldovian teams recently
Constantinou
09-08-06, 13:33
i consider Hearts as a championship level team,something like Southampton lets say,south played against Panathinaikos recently,and the result was draw,Aek looks better than Panatha at the moment,my mind here goes to DRAW/AWAY DOUBLE,i cant see Hearts winning this
GL!
Ti na sou pw re delfino? 8O ti? O,ti thes grafeis s'auto to forum megale! :lol:
Constantinou
09-08-06, 13:35
we have 5x more experience on international matches than hearts...
Look at today my friend,i dont talk about your pass times,i dont see any difference between greek and moldovian teams recently
Pw re pousti mou! Ti leei autos o mpagasas? :lol:
Do u speak about football or pornstars man?
Hearts dont have much "international experience" as a team but individually some players have more experience than AEK players.
Hearts aren't Chelsea in any way, Romanov didn't invest much in players - he just saved the club from going bankrupt by transferring their big debt to his bank. The players signed last season were very cheap but turned out to be excellent - this is the policy of Hearts and Romanov, signing unknown players who are actually good. You won't see them spending millions on players that you know but cheap players they get are usually even better.
pios ton gamaei... tosi idea exei
we have 5x more experience on international matches than hearts...
Look at today my friend,i dont talk about your pass times,i dont see any difference between greek and moldovian teams recently
Pw re pousti mou! Ti leei autos o mpagasas? :lol:
Do u speak about football or pornstars man?
Oh sorry man i forgot or missed your BIG EXPERIENCES,AEK won 5 champions league cups,4 Super Cups,6 uefa cups,4 intercontinatel winner,6 times champions league semi finals,3 times quater finals and sorry i cant count many bcos they really have many successes and need more times to find..wait and see what i talked about :)
Edit: Hey friends those are not real success,i was working to explain what does hig experince mean
Constantinou
09-08-06, 13:50
we have 5x more experience on international matches than hearts...
Look at today my friend,i dont talk about your pass times,i dont see any difference between greek and moldovian teams recently
Pw re pousti mou! Ti leei autos o mpagasas? :lol:
Do u speak about football or pornstars man?
Oh sorry man i forgot or missed your BIG EXPERIENCES,AEK won 5 champions league cups,4 Super Cups,6 uefa cups,4 intercontinatel winner,6 times champions league semi finals,3 times quater finals and sorry i cant count many bcos they really have many successes and need more times to find..wait and see what i talked about :)
The kid continuous to play! :lol:
People will drive me crazy here,i give you a paradigm,to understand the real level of Hearts....Skacel, was one of the most important players last year for the team,however,the year before the Czech couldnt play as regular in panathinaikos,Aek is above hearts no doubt about it, you will see this tonight, i cant imagine a team like hearts to participate in champioms league groups( ok we saw Togo in world cup),concerning Katsuranis, the guy DIDNT play a good season,forget him,i hope Benfica not to regret it.
When we talk about experience, its about another fact we have to think: How much experience has a good but inexperienced in Europe Scotish team like Hearts in playing with a NON British team? Hearts is a good team playing in Scotish Premier, but lets face it, beside Celtic , rest of the teams play a very basic british Kick and rush football. AEK has a potential of playing a football that would create problems to the Scotish strong but not great technically play. Its Brasilian players (Emerson, Cezar) , Serbian (Ivic), Good technical Greek players like Lyberopoulos , Lagos, Kapetanos, etc, will not mhave much problem in keeping up to a scotish team. Only danger can come from the hundreds of bals aiming the heads of Hearts attackers, but Dellas and Sorentino will take care of that :wink:
AEK X2, my choice, cover AEK to llose by 2-1 8)
1. The greece league is like the scotish one :
1.celtic 2. rangers 3.Hearts
1.oly 2. pana 3. aek
every year this 3 teams from this countries, qualify !
And every year this teams don't reach anything special , they reach nothing !so u can't say that a biggggggg team like the gyros junkies aek are big international taeam with a lot of experience!Every year they don't reach the 2nd but why? because of their weakness ,their weak league in greece , where u find 3 good teams ,but the rest is so weak ,that they are happy , if the can lose against the bigggggggggg one's , to get money from the presidents!and in scotland u have the same problem ,but their the football is clean , the teamsa are so weak ,because the don't get much money from the tv etc...! but one on one the scottish teams are better ,because they have more motivation , = MORE HEART to reach something ! if aek lose tonight the ref. was the keyfactor !
like the gyros junkies
lol, good one, I must admit :D
anyway, about what you say, I'll mostly agree that the level of the two leagues is kinda similar, as well as that the difference is the instability and the corruption of the greek in comparison to the scottish one.
But, let's not stick to collective things, I think it's better to see it at individual view. And for me, although Hearts don't look better than AEK in papers, yet they are "more ready" at this period. Traditionally, greek teams face problems when they play eastern europeans teams at that moment of the year. AEK looked good in friendly game vs strong Benfica, but that doesn't tell much, at least to me, as it reminds a bit of PAO last season. The team looked pretty good at friendly, but once they played with Wisla, who had played some league games, and was in better condition, they lost at Poland, rather easily.
Now, don't forget that Hearts have played two games for the league, in particular one very strong vs champions Celtics, which they won, plus two more vs Siroki in 2nd round of qualifiers. As for AEK, it'll be the first official game of the season. That's enough for me to put Hearts as favourites for this game. Were they to play the first leg in Athens, then it would be a whole different case. It may sound as if I'm exaggeratting about Hearts' chances, it's just last year's games of PAO-Wisla are really fresh, and for me, current condition of the teams plays the most important role in such games, where there's not a big difference in teams' quality.
PaO ThRiSkEiA 8yRa 13
09-08-06, 14:53
Greek teams Vs Scottish teams
2003/04 Champions League Panathinaikos 1 GLASGOW RANGERS 1 (Pantelis Konstantinidis)
2003/04 Champions League GLASGOW RANGERS 1 Panathinaikos 3 (Raimondas Zutautas, Angelos Basinas, Michalis Konstantinou)
Champions League 1994/95 AEK - Glasgow Rangers 2:0 (2 Saravakos)
Champions League 1994/95 Glasgow Rangers - AEK 0:1 (Savevski)
UEFA CUP 2001/02 AEK- Hibernian 2-0 (Tsiartas, Nikolaidis)
UEFA CUP 2001/02 Hibernian- AEK 3-2 (2 Tsiartas)
Cup Winners Cup 1968/69 Dunfermline - Olympiakos 4:0
Cup Winners Cup 1968/69 Olympiakos - Dunfermline 3:0 (Stolingas, Botinos, Gioutsos)
Champions Cup 1974/75 Celtic Glasgow - Olympiakos 1:1 (Viera)
Champions Cup 1974/75 Olympiakos - Celtic Glasgow 2:0 (Kritikopoulos, Stavropoulos)
So my friend,if greek teams are like moldavian teams,i really dont know from which planet u come from :twisted:
get serious,aek can get a tigh score,maybe 1-0,1-1.
Aek will qualify in Athens.
like the gyros junkies
lol, good one, I must admit :D
anyway, about what you say, I'll mostly agree that the level of the two leagues is kinda similar, as well as that the difference is the instability and the corruption of the greek in comparison to the scottish one.
But, let's not stick to collective things, I think it's better to see it at individual view. And for me, although Hearts don't look better than AEK in papers, yet they are "more ready" at this period. Traditionally, greek teams face problems when they play eastern europeans teams at that moment of the year. AEK looked good in friendly game vs strong Benfica, but that doesn't tell much, at least to me, as it reminds a bit of PAO last season. The team looked pretty good at friendly, but once they played with Wisla, who had played some league games, and was in better condition, they lost at Poland, rather easily.
Now, don't forget that Hearts have played two games for the league, in particular one very strong vs champions Celtics, which they won, plus two more vs Siroki in 2nd round of qualifiers. As for AEK, it'll be the first official game of the season. That's enough for me to put Hearts as favourites for this game. Were they to play the first leg in Athens, then it would be a whole different case. It may sound as if I'm exaggeratting about Hearts' chances, it's just last year's games of PAO-Wisla are really fresh, and for me, current condition of the teams plays the most important role in such games, where there's not a big difference in teams' quality.
the first person from greek , who understands the situation . VERY GOOD AND REALITSIC COMMENT!
the first person from greek , who understands the situation . VERY GOOD AND REALITSIC COMMENT!
Maybe, but i think the guy is just too scared, Hearts are not Wisla, don't forget that.
Wisla are class above, so its not the same situation as Wisla - PAO.
It would be a surprise to me to se AEK out, whatever happens in the first leg.
yet i will try low stakes on 1:1 exact score.
the first person from greek , who understands the situation . VERY GOOD AND REALITSIC COMMENT!
Maybe, but i think the guy is just too scared, Hearts are not Wisla, don't forget that.
Wisla are class above, so its not the same situation as Wisla - PAO.
It would be a surprise to me to se AEK out, whatever happens in the first leg.
yet i will try low stakes on 1:1 exact score.
its true that hearts is not wisla...hearts is much better.
the first person from greek , who understands the situation . VERY GOOD AND REALITSIC COMMENT!
Maybe, but i think the guy is just too scared, Hearts are not Wisla, don't forget that.
Wisla are class above, so its not the same situation as Wisla - PAO.
It would be a surprise to me to se AEK out, whatever happens in the first leg.
yet i will try low stakes on 1:1 exact score.
its true that hearts is not wisla...hearts is much better.
:lol: yeah..but maybe in grass mowing.
the first person from greek , who understands the situation . VERY GOOD AND REALITSIC COMMENT!
Maybe, but i think the guy is just too scared, Hearts are not Wisla, don't forget that.
Wisla are class above, so its not the same situation as Wisla - PAO.
It would be a surprise to me to se AEK out, whatever happens in the first leg.
yet i will try low stakes on 1:1 exact score.
"scared", about what? sceptical about AEK's current condition, maybe yes. I think you used a wrong word, no offence, but you might need to refresh your english. I don't take a bet in this game, so I'm just neutral and not stressed about the result.
As for the comparison, I won't compare Hearts with Wisla, although Wisla looked stronger in my eyes, as well, and furthermore I trust Ferrer as coach and I don't think he will screw it up in the tactic, just as Malesani did last year, but since you obviously don't know, I'll tell you that AEK struggled to win at APOEL in 2002 CL quals, when AEK were much stronger than now, and APOEL much weaker than Hearts, let alone that they hadn't started season games as early as Hearts did now. So, what you say about that?
Overall, being overenthusiastic has never helped a greek team, when they were to face an eastern-european team.
With all the respect to Heart, I can't see HW today.
AEK is a very good team like all the Greeces teams.
Hearts may suprised many people last season with their victories in the Scotish League but AEK can and will play in Scotland for draw at least.
When we talk about experience, its about another fact we have to think: How much experience has a good but inexperienced in Europe Scotish team like Hearts in playing with a NON British team? Hearts is a good team playing in Scotish Premier, but lets face it, beside Celtic , rest of the teams play a very basic british Kick and rush football. AEK has a potential of playing a football that would create problems to the Scotish strong but not great technically play. Its Brasilian players (Emerson, Cezar) , Serbian (Ivic), Good technical Greek players like Lyberopoulos , Lagos, Kapetanos, etc, will not mhave much problem in keeping up to a scotish team. Only danger can come from the hundreds of bals aiming the heads of Hearts attackers, but Dellas and Sorentino will take care of that :wink:
AEK X2, my choice, cover AEK to llose by 2-1 8)
whats up with the lebanese flag?
what are you trying to prove?
i despise lousy provocators.
"scared", about what? sceptical about AEK's current condition, maybe yes. I think you used a wrong word, no offence, but you might need to refresh your english.
You said yourself m8 "It may sound as if I'm exaggeratting about Hearts' chances, it's just last year's games of PAO-Wisla are really fresh"
So its pretty clear you're afraid of AEK repeating the PAO' result, but you forgot that Hearts are not Wisla.
I "might need" to refresh my english? :lol:
No offense but, which part you failed to understand?
axellennox
09-08-06, 16:35
All just shut up and bet on UNDER :!:
whats up with the lebanese flag?
what are you trying to prove?
i despise lousy provocators.
Don't give any attention for people like this provocator.
let the administrators to take care of him.
***1499;***1500; ***1499;***1500;***1489; ***1489;***1497;***1490;' ***1497;***1493;***1502;***1493;.
Sorry have to be honest to users of this forum,this match is NOT included in my tonight's selections,for me Gretna is better than Hearts,anw, here is my choice : Lille, St Pauli, Stuttgart Kickers all to win, Levski Sofia 1X D.C.
GL TO ALL!
I can't understand why you all people are fighting here :lol: but there are some bad news for Hearts. Cesnauskis and Brellier (sorry for bad spelling :oops: ) got ill and won't play tonight for Hearts ,as Fyssas wrote in a daily column that he has in the greek website www.sportime.gr .
costix wrote:
When we talk about experience, its about another fact we have to think: How much experience has a good but inexperienced in Europe Scotish team like Hearts in playing with a NON British team? Hearts is a good team playing in Scotish Premier, but lets face it, beside Celtic , rest of the teams play a very basic british Kick and rush football. AEK has a potential of playing a football that would create problems to the Scotish strong but not great technically play. Its Brasilian players (Emerson, Cezar) , Serbian (Ivic), Good technical Greek players like Lyberopoulos , Lagos, Kapetanos, etc, will not mhave much problem in keeping up to a scotish team. Only danger can come from the hundreds of bals aiming the heads of Hearts attackers, but Dellas and Sorentino will take care of that Wink
AEK X2, my choice, cover AEK to llose by 2-1 Cool
whats up with the lebanese flag?
what are you trying to prove?
i despise lousy provocators.
ENOUGH with your FASCIST attitude, ok? Its beting forum, not Israel forum. Stop asking censorship, i have put a very legitimate country flag that will take part in the WC Basket in Japan in few days
I have no put ANY other comment, so shut up and put some useful tip or comment instead of asking for my ban
:x
The teams are announced.
Right midfielder Cesnauskis and holding midfielder Brellier
are ill (flu) for Hearts and arent even on the bench.
Greek defender Karipidis plays his first game for Hearts,
in central midfield.
Gordon
Neilson Pressley Berra Fyssas
Mikoliunas Aguiar Karipidis McCann
Bednar Pospisil
You said yourself m8 "It may sound as if I'm exaggeratting about Hearts' chances, it's just last year's games of PAO-Wisla are really fresh"
So its pretty clear you're afraid of AEK repeating the PAO' result, but you forgot that Hearts are not Wisla.
I "might need" to refresh my english? Laughing
No offense but, which part you failed to understand?
well, game is already being played, but just a brief response, as I guess you are the one that haven't understoood my words;
yes, exaggeratting, as I would probably do so, as if AEK were playing Iverness, Albion Rovers or any other team which is more ready (ok, referring to these teams would easily sound as exaggerattion, just to make myself clear). As for "afraid", well, I told you the right word is "sceptical", I'm a bit afraid of heights, you think I'm "afraid" if AEK lose easily at Scotland, like PAO last year at Wisla? Well, believe it or not, I'm not..."afraid".
You haven't understood this: AEK might as well eliminate Hearts, as they had done with Rangers 12 years ago when thewy had that great team, or might be eliminated themselves, as the story went with AIK Stockholm 7 years ago, but the fact is, when a greek team is to face a northern/eastern european team at this period (is it Polonia? Sparta Prague? Hearts? HSV? Spartak Moscow? DOESNT MATTER), then the greek team is on a clear disadvantage, this is a fact, well not for you, but generally it's a fact, as experience has shown (I cannot start mentioning here what happened every year, when there was a similar case with a greek team in CL quals)
to all those ppl supporting hearts...
i hope u watched the match... this was a show of soccer, hearts in their own field with not even 10 shots on goal while aek had about 35... we missed an endless nr of opportunities for goal until the match turned right before the end...
ppl who saw that match cant tell me the hearts are a better team than we are, if so, u do not have any idea of soccer...
I only followed the game after 50th minute, but looks like you found a great coach, man. Credits to your president and Ilia Ivic for selecting him.
Congratulations to all AEK fans for a very deserved win :!:
Quite disappointed with our friends from Scotland who failed to warn us about the really poor quality of Hearts...
Few pages ago, someone said that they are actually a Championship quality side. So close to reality :roll: :roll:
GL to AEK in the group stages
PaO ThRiSkEiA 8yRa 13
09-08-06, 21:44
i feel obligated to say this....Your team has no quality!!!
And i hope from now you never say that scottish teams are going to be ever better than greek teams!!
You were lucky not to concede more goals!!!
Good luck next year!!!
so 1:2 FT :P
congrats to AEK, it would be really silly to see Hearts in a CL.
Oh i forgot! "They won Celtic, they won Celtic" :lol:
your condescending attitude is not needed. CG
**** this **** this is impossible this is the 3rd time i lose in the last minute..i should ve won total of €2000 but ah no .. last minute 8O
Congratz to all AEK fans
Hearts IS championship level. AEK with a couple of players in vital positions(offensive midfielder and striker) would have crushed them with 5 goal or so .Hearts couldn't change third pass.
That's why all greek members asked about Hearts' gameplay.If someone had told us long balls only ,we would have all earned nice money.Only thing we heard was about the rich president and 10/10 HW picks without explanation.
Well I gotta say very well done to AEK. They deserved the win tonight.
I dont know why everyone says they were not warned about Hearts quality though! ... tonight was not the Hearts I have watched over the last year! ... they played very, very poor.
Athens had many efforts, but you must accept that about 70% of these shots were from long distance and were no real threat ... how many real saves did Craig Gordon really make? ... about 3/4!
Hearts played very poor but still took the lead, and if they did not get stupid red card then they may well have increased their lead. AEK played very well, but for me they were also lucky to win that game.
From what I watched though it was two poor quality sides in Euro terms, and neither club would do well in the CL groups. I expect AEK to fight for UEFA Cup spot only.
Andysaint , we are not used in Greece to see high quality football.However we see 3 or 4 nice passes or a dribble. Hearts players had no talent. I watched ,as many of us greeks , Southampton-Panathinaikos and I can reassure you that Saints' players were more talented than Hearts' ones. For me it was a no bet game so no bad feelings ,as Scottish members didn't advice to bet on Hearts ,they just ignored the game. GL to the rest of your bets.
(censored) this (censored) this is impossible this is the 3rd time i lose in the last minute..i should ve won total of ***8364;2000 but ah no .. last minute 8O
Congratz to all AEK fans
me too, I lost just this match tonight, and AEK has blow away my profit. Again, good luck next time. :roll:
(censored) this (censored) this is impossible this is the 3rd time i lose in the last minute..i should ve won total of €2000 but ah no .. last minute 8O
Congratz to all AEK fans
me too, I lost just this match tonight, and AEK has blow away my profit. Again, good luck next time. :roll:
lool haha i bet there are a lot of people pissed :D but hey next time we have luck :)
dammit...how can one concede an own goal in the last minute... and make us down :?
dammit...how can one concede an own goal in the last minute... and make us down :?
no comment... dramma... :x
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