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Does anyone know at what time it will be?
Not until all the money has been transferred into the relevent accounts. :twisted:
Probabily wednesday. With live tv coverage. My pick: juve in serie b, the other three teams with deduction if points. Any bookie offering bets for that? 8)
Brescia1911
10-07-06, 13:11
Probabily wednesday. With live tv coverage. My pick: juve in serie b, the other three teams with deduction if points. Any bookie offering bets for that? 8)
Globet
Why Wednesday? I thought that today is the day :?
Jumbo, they probably postponed it so they wouldn't ruin the celebrations.
According to La Stampa, there are rumours that the verdict will be: Milan -9 points in Serie A, Lazio and Fiorentina -15 points in Serie A and Juve in Serie B with -15 points
Guys, its Friday and still no clear decision :?: Why do I have the feeling that they really will try to let it go... :?
No, tonight is the official announcment, which will be broadcasted on Italian television. But as mentioned above some newspapers already published the probable verdict, based on internal sources.
Guys, its Friday and still no clear decision :?: Why do I have the feeling that they really will try to let it go... :? will be tonight at 20.00 cet :!:
re di cuori
14-07-06, 11:53
Guys, its Friday and still no clear decision :?: Why do I have the feeling that they really will try to let it go... :?
verdict ater 19.00 probably these wil be the decisions juventus :serie b and 15-20 points less fiorentina and lazio serie b and 6-7 points less,milan serie a but no champions league, the source is la gazzetta dello sport , the most trustable italian sport newspaper.
I also read only Milan will be left in Seria A, but no Champ. League.
Italy will have Inter, Roma, Chievo and Palermo in Champions League and Livorno, Empoli and Parma in UEFA Cup.
But lets wait the final decision, which will be announced tonight, but only after the closing of the financial and stock market.
So it is the end of juve,lazio and fiore...what will be with juve stars?nedved already leaved them,or he wants still?i heard such roumours,mutu as heard already out,what with old fox del piero?will he stay with his old club?What with Buffon etc?If they all will leave juve it will be allover...who will want to sponsor such a team etc...
re di cuori
14-07-06, 12:19
So it is the end of juve,lazio and fiore...what will be with juve stars?nedved already leaved them,or he wants still?i heard such roumours,mutu as heard already out,what with old fox del piero?will he stay with his old club?What with Buffon etc?If they all will leave juve it will be allover...who will want to sponsor such a team etc...
i think that only del piero will stay with juventus at the end , i can see cannavaro and zambrotta playing for real madrid next year, buffon probably in england ........... and so on
who will want to sponsor such a team etc...
.. maybe Parmalat??????
who will want to sponsor such a team etc...
.. maybe Parmalat??????
or King Moldo :P
So it is the end of juve,lazio and fiore...what will be with juve stars?nedved already leaved them,or he wants still?i heard such roumours,mutu as heard already out,what with old fox del piero?will he stay with his old club?What with Buffon etc?If they all will leave juve it will be allover...who will want to sponsor such a team etc...
i think that only del piero will stay with juventus at the end , i can see cannavaro and zambrotta playing for real madrid next year, buffon probably in england ........... and so on
i also think that Del piero might stay..but others will elave..in such circumstances i wonder how they will perform in serie B :lol: ..thats a pity..it might be the end of one of the biggest clubs .It was for sure a big hit for team,but they deserved it...
Yeah..parmalat...i doubt....coneccting with cheaters will be risky for big sponsors..who wants to be advertised by cheaters?....they may have now biiig bigg problems....how team from Serie B will be able to afffor to keep running all his super modern facilities etc..it costs a lot of money...and without champi0ons league,serie A,etc,it will be very hard....
Juve will not be that bad with Del Piero - Bojinov upfront. 8) But a 15-20 points deduction is just too much :?
Juve will not be that bad with Del Piero - Bojinov upfront. 8) But a 15-20 points deduction is just too much :?
i think of it as (-15) handicap :wink:
i am curious about the odds... :P
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florinel_P
14-07-06, 13:41
hey...from my sources...Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina wil be relegated in Serie B with some points in minus...last two titles will be given to Inter...and AC Milan wil be excluded from European Cups this year...i hope they don't relegate Lazio :P
1 thing is almost sure - if Juve loses the 2 titles, they will not be awarded to any other team, but just will be cancelled.
Brescia1911
14-07-06, 17:03
hey...from my sources...Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina wil be relegated in Serie B with some points in minus...last two titles will be given to Inter...and AC Milan wil be excluded from European Cups this year...i hope they don't relegate Lazio :P
Just the last one Scudetto could be given to Inter, but the decision is up to Prof. Guido Rossi, current Commissioner of the Italian Football Federation. The Football Federal Court cant decide it.
I look forward for Juventus relegated in serie B , but with -15 points ay least! Better in serie C. Should be the right punishment for this club of thieves!
Brescia1911
14-07-06, 18:28
I notice that the sentences that will be passed this evening are not definitive. There is a 2nd degree of judgment in front of the Appeal Federal Court. The Appeal Federal Court can change 1st degree sentences. So nothing of definitive till next week!!!!!!!!
IMO -15 points is like sending them to seria B for 2 years. I really can't see how they will get back with 15 points HC, it's illusionar, no way this to happen. Just immagine how will the refs whistle against them and all the teams will play their best against them so if they manage to stay in B the first year it would be a already something :?
The worst for Juve IMO is that they will be the only one to be relegated.
IMO if the 4 teams were sent to B it would be an even more interesting championship there than seria A and tv coverage, money, players stay, etc... Now, it's just like a lousy seria B team and noone will give a fukk. They already have not too many suporters but in 2 years they will have as much as Slavia Sofia :lol: (~1000ppl)
Anyway, it will be probably deserved but i do not believe that powerful teams like Inter and Roma are so clear :roll:
Inter Campioni will be it IMO and i see them as a part of this mess but on the winning side :wink:
not asking for a ban Latso, do you? :evil: no more such Slavia Sofia jokes :!: :evil:
:oops: :oops: :oops: :lol:
Brescia1911
14-07-06, 19:49
Sentences will be read at 9.00 p.m.
Brescia1911
14-07-06, 19:53
Here we are!!!!!!!!!
Juventus relegated in serie B with -30 points handicap
Milan stays in serie A with -15 points handicap
Fiorentina relegated in serie B with -12 points handicap
Lazio relegated in serie B with -7 points handicap.
Here we are!!!!!!!!!
Juventus relegated in serie B with -30 points handicap
Milan stays in serie A with -15 points handicap
Fiorentina relegated in serie B with -12 points handicap
Lazio relegated in serie B with -7 points handicap.
link?
Brescia1911
14-07-06, 19:56
Here we are!!!!!!!!!
Juventus relegated in serie B with -30 points handicap
Milan stays in serie A with -15 points handicap
Fiorentina relegated in serie B with -12 points handicap
Lazio relegated in serie B with -7 points handicap.
link?
I'm watching live on TV. try www.gazzetta.it
To whom will be awarded the last championship??? :roll:
Brescia1911
14-07-06, 19:59
To whom will be awarded the last championship??? :roll:
The federal commisioner will decide it. Not yet awarded.
yea, found it on Sky Brescia. tnks
Brescia1911
14-07-06, 20:20
This is the current new table after the sentences:
1) Inter: in CL stage groups
2) Roma: in CL stage groups
3) Chievo: in CL 3rd preliminary round
4) Palermo: in CL 3rd preliminary round
5) Livorno: UEFA cup
6) Parma: UEFA cup
7) Empoli: UEFA cup
Messina, Lecce and Treviso come back in Serie A.
Next serie B could be with teams such as Juventus,Fiorentina, Lazio, Napoli, Genoa, Bologna, Brescia, Modena ....... maybe better than serie A. However sentences are not definitive!!!!!!!! there is an other degree of judgment and probably some points of handicap will be reduced.
But who will replace Juve Lazio and Fiore in Seria A?
Brescia1911
14-07-06, 20:24
But who will replace Juve Lazio and Fiore in Seria A?
Probably Messina, Lecce and Treviso. But also Messina and Lecce (with Siena and Reggina) are under investigation, so ............ Bologna and Brescia (relegated during 2004-2005 season) who have been damaged by Lazio and Fiorentina illegal behaviour could be brought back in serie A.
Here we are!!!!!!!!!
Juventus relegated in serie B with -30 points handicap
Milan stays in serie A with -15 points handicap
Fiorentina relegated in serie B with -12 points handicap
Lazio relegated in serie B with -7 points handicap.
i just read on italian TXT milan is -44Points :!: my mistake -15
raulthebull loves lazio
14-07-06, 20:40
Here we are!!!!!!!!!
Juventus relegated in serie B with -30 points handicap
Milan stays in serie A with -15 points handicap
Fiorentina relegated in serie B with -12 points handicap
Lazio relegated in serie B with -7 points handicap.
i just read on italian TXT milan is -44Points :!: my mistake -15
No it is 44 points. 15 for next season and 29 points are taken from last championship for Milan not to go to CL :!:
Anyway SerieB is much more atrctive than Serie A now, although it is still a shame that Milan and Juve were treated preferentially, in contrary to Lazio and Fiorentina in what concerns the verdict. :roll:
bluemonday2
14-07-06, 20:42
Justice is done at least!! :D
Moggi and Giraudo suspended for 5 years, Galliani for one.
Our supposed World Cup ref De Santcis 4 years and 6 months!!
Juventus also stripped of their last two titles.
Let's hope now to see a clean calcio where also teams like Verona
and Sampdoria can win the championship.
However still not sure how many teams will play in next year Serie A.
olympiakara1931
14-07-06, 20:46
Sica wrote:
To whom will be awarded the last championship???
The federal commisioner will decide it. Not yet awarded.
Why dont they give it to my beloved Napoli??? :D 8)
I hope I'll be able to find at least 1.2 for Inter to win Serie A :D
not asking for a ban Latso, do you? :evil: no more such Slavia Sofia jokes :!: :evil:
:oops: :oops: :oops: :lol:
you're one of them 8O :lol: , Mr promille :lol:
Noo, i like Slavia, i live near so i go to some of their matches and i have a personal friend who played for them, i would say the best one Slavia had for the last 15 years. Now he is in Red star Belgrade, you know who :wink: off topic :oops: :oops: :oops:
Now on topic - if Juve make it to stay in B with this HC, they are my team :lol: :lol:
I hope I'll be able to find at least 1.2 for Inter to win Serie A :D
I'd be not so sure to see Inter winning next championship!
Here we are!!!!!!!!!
Juventus relegated in serie B with -30 points handicap
Milan stays in serie A with -15 points handicap
Fiorentina relegated in serie B with -12 points handicap
Lazio relegated in serie B with -7 points handicap.
I would just like to add that non of these teams will be able to participate in the Champions legue or the UEFA Cup.
I look forward for Juventus relegated in serie B , but with -15 points ay least! Better in serie C. Should be the right punishment for this club of thieves!
Milano - Torino !!!!!!!!!!!!
You are great !!!!!!!!!
As a sort of gentleman!!!!!
But how many years you have been in lower divisions ?
Ma vattinn'''' !!!!!!!!!
:lol:
Let's hope now to see a clean calcio where also teams like Verona
and Sampdoria can win the championship.
Opssss !
You forgot the mention of your Inter ......
:oops: :oops: :oops:
So with -30 point handicap, Juventus will be in Serie B at least two years?
What's gonna happen to players like Nedved, Gillardino, Luca Toni, Kaka vs ???
So with -30 point handicap, Juventus will be in Serie B at least two years?
What's gonna happen to players like Nedved, Gillardino, Luca Toni, Kaka vs ???
Kaka and Gillardinho should remain at AC Milan.
It'll be interesting to see if the quality players now move abroad, where they'll get better wages or wether they'll stay in Italy at lesser clubs.... but, this is a bit of a silly move - because the people who ultimately suffer are the fans - who are entirely innoscent. I would have settled for much harsher sentences on individuals who played a proven role in the scandal and letting the clubs remains - perhaps stripping them of previous titles as a punishment. Too harsh on the fans, this. This throws football in Italy into a genuine crisis.
Real Madrid and Cappello must be rubbing their hands at the prospect of this. What're the odds on Cannavaro and Zambrotta to move to Real Madrid? Didn't Mutu JUST move from Juventus to Fiorentina? :roll:
Real Madrid and Cappello must be rubbing their hands at the prospect of this. What're the odds on Cannavaro and Zambrotta to move to Real Madrid?
Its been a signed deal already for a week along with Emerson.
Moldoveanu
15-07-06, 06:16
i dont really understand all this problem with relegation!!
is it a scandal betting! ?? and if yes what they got caught fixing games??
but why so many teams are relegated ??
and why the best teams??? whats happening here
cna someone tell me the full s tory why the teams got relegated?
and why so many??
I look forward for Juventus relegated in serie B , but with -15 points ay least! Better in serie C. Should be the right punishment for this club of thieves!
Milano - Torino !!!!!!!!!!!!
You are great !!!!!!!!!
As a sort of gentleman!!!!!
But how many years you have been in lower divisions ?
Ma vattinn'''' !!!!!!!!!
:lol:
Few times, but always with great honour. For Juventus will be the first time,but with deep shame, as usual. That is the difference!
Let`s hope the justice it`s done till it`s very end and the tittle goes to Inter.
amazing verdict.judges has to had balls to relegete biggest teams...That was a great sign for future,and for sure it will bring something fresh to football.
Few times, but always with great honour. For Juventus will be the first time,but with deep shame, as usual. That is the difference!
Few times ???????
8O
With grand honour ??????
NO A, NO OLIMPIADI ???
8O
We aren't still relegated, my fried. There are some other verdicts next month and maybe the Serie A could be start in September or in October....
Bye !
AND NOW PROBABLY TRANSFERS FROM JUVE...our sport portal called it as a big sale....
Cannavaro-Madrit
Zlatan-Inter
Mauro Camoranesi-Valencia or liverpool
Emerson-Real
Zambrotta-Real
Vieira-Inter
Trezeguet-Lyon or Arsenal
Thuram-Barcelona or tottenham
Buffon-Milan or Arsenal
Few times, but always with great honour. For Juventus will be the first time,but with deep shame, as usual. That is the difference!
Few times ???????
8O
With grand honour ??????
NO A, NO OLIMPIADI ???
8O
We aren't still relegated, my fried. There are some other verdicts next month and maybe the Serie A could be start in September or in October....
Bye !
Yes with other verdicts may be you 'll be banned from Italian football!!! AhAhAH! But you can go into the Lybian first division as a guest of your friend Gheddafi, former big Juve's shareholder!!!!
SHAMEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
olympiakara1931
15-07-06, 09:15
Yes with other verdicts may be you 'll be banned from Italian football!!! AhAhAH! But you can go into the Lybian first division as a guest of your friend Gheddafi, former big Juve's shareholder!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Metalheadrock
15-07-06, 11:04
Well, Juve only had 2 games brought into question for match fixing. Milan had 1 game. You'd have to assume that there is no way they were guilty of only those matches, but its a rushed trial and thats what happens.
Point Deductions
I know Juve had all these talk floating around them for past 2-3 years which I think had alot of influence into these sentences. Dont you think based on this that docking 90 odd points from last season as well as 80 odd points from the season before that plus 15 or 20 from the next season would be enough? This would mean Seria B with -15 or -20 points (fair I think) But -30 in Seria B basically mean they procecuters are trying to keep Juve in Seria B for two seasons. These point deductions seem arbitrary to me. (Viola -15, Lazio -7, Juve -30) in Seria B, Milan -15 in Seria A, Why? What are the basis for these deductions.
I think the judges were under alot of pressure to make an example of Juve who had alot of talk around them without enought evidence to support the severity of the sentence according to what the procedutors used as evidence. They are basically bankrupting Juve as 1 season in Seria B would enable them to absorbe the losses, but 2 means its impssible to keep players and loan them out.
Milan
Milan got docked 44 points from last season and 15 from next season meaning they are not relegated but lose CL. This might seem serious but people will start to question the power of a certain person called Berlisconni. Milan were caught in the scandal but werent relegated :roll: as the sentence certainly means they were guilty. Just look at Lazio and Viola who were relegated, why not Milan? Maybe because they dont have enough power 8)
Fans and shareholder are hurt while the people who did it are walking free
These sentences hurts all the fans that supported these clubs and does very little to the guilty parties. I mean, Moggi is banned for 5 year :lol: are you kidding me? He wont care as he all ready retired from football. Milan's Galliani was banned for a year 8O a nice holiday for him.
Its just rediculous as the only people who are hurt here are the fans and shareholders. Management will walk away, maybe work in another club when the imposed holidays are over. Directors like Moggi and Galliani are employed by Shareholders to look after their interests but they betrayed that trust. Juve should sue Moggi's a$$ to get all those losses back.
Yep i also agree that milan left in serie A because of Berlusconi.There is no other way...They were same cheaters as juve,and for sure minor cheaters than fiore i think,as they are much more powerfull club.Thats strange
Yep i also agree that milan left in serie A because of Berlusconi.There is no other way...They were same cheaters as juve,and for sure minor cheaters than fiore i think,as they are much more powerfull club.Thats strange
Milan and Lazio has been less involved in this scandal!
Juventus with his corrupted and corrupting managment, has been the owner of Italian football for years!
If Lazio got -7 in B and Fiorentina -12 ; the right punishment for Juve must be serie C!
the sad end of derby d'italia :cry:
florinel_P
15-07-06, 13:07
Peruzzi to remain at Lazio in B
Del Piero, Camoranesi and Nedved to remain at Juve in B
Toni is said to be transfered in an exchange with Inter's Adriano...if this transfer will be perfected, Fiorentina will have the excelent couple from Parma...Prandelli coach...Adriano-Mutu atack...
Milan might still play in Uefa Cup because Empoli does not have license to play in European Competition from UEFA...
So, Adriano will play in Serie B? :roll: :wink:
Peruzzi to remain at Lazio in B
Del Piero, Camoranesi and Nedved to remain at Juve in B
Toni is said to be transfered in an exchange with Inter's Adriano...if this transfer will be perfected, Fiorentina will have the excelent couple from Parma...Prandelli coach...Adriano-Mutu atack...
Milan might still play in Uefa Cup because Empoli does not have license to play in European Competition from UEFA...
Pazzini wil be the regular central forward for Fiorentina
lol, enyone who will take Adriano, will be a moron :lol:
Brescia1911
15-07-06, 14:39
Well, Juve only had 2 games brought into question for match fixing. Milan had 1 game. You'd have to assume that there is no way they were guilty of only those matches, but its a rushed trial and thats what happens.
Point Deductions
I know Juve had all these talk floating around them for past 2-3 years which I think had alot of influence into these sentences. Dont you think based on this that docking 90 odd points from last season as well as 80 odd points from the season before that plus 15 or 20 from the next season would be enough? This would mean Seria B with -15 or -20 points (fair I think) But -30 in Seria B basically mean they procecuters are trying to keep Juve in Seria B for two seasons. These point deductions seem arbitrary to me. (Viola -15, Lazio -7, Juve -30) in Seria B, Milan -15 in Seria A, Why? What are the basis for these deductions.
I think the judges were under alot of pressure to make an example of Juve who had alot of talk around them without enought evidence to support the severity of the sentence according to what the procedutors used as evidence. They are basically bankrupting Juve as 1 season in Seria B would enable them to absorbe the losses, but 2 means its impssible to keep players and loan them out.
Milan
Milan got docked 44 points from last season and 15 from next season meaning they are not relegated but lose CL. This might seem serious but people will start to question the power of a certain person called Berlisconni. Milan were caught in the scandal but werent relegated :roll: as the sentence certainly means they were guilty. Just look at Lazio and Viola who were relegated, why not Milan? Maybe because they dont have enough power 8)
Fans and shareholder are hurt while the people who did it are walking free
These sentences hurts all the fans that supported these clubs and does very little to the guilty parties. I mean, Moggi is banned for 5 year :lol: are you kidding me? He wont care as he all ready retired from football. Milan's Galliani was banned for a year 8O a nice holiday for him.
Its just rediculous as the only people who are hurt here are the fans and shareholders. Management will walk away, maybe work in another club when the imposed holidays are over. Directors like Moggi and Galliani are employed by Shareholders to look after their interests but they betrayed that trust. Juve should sue Moggi's a$$ to get all those losses back.
I guess many of you dont know really what are the reasons of these sentences and what are their juridical remarks. I try to explain:
- Juventus was charged of corruption 'cause Mr. Moggi ( juve's general manager) controlled the chiefs of Referee Commision ( Mr. Bergamo and Mr. Pairetto) and many referees (e.g. Massimo de Santis) and also controlled the Italian Football Association 8O trough Mr. Mazzini, who was vice President. With its influence on Refs Juve were often favoured with easy yellow/red cards showed to challengers, easy penalties, irregular goals allowed, offsides position considered on side, etc... Juve didnt fixed any match, but ..... was almost the same.
- Fiorentina and Lazio in the season 2004-2005 fought to avoid relegation and, at the begging, were also against the power of Big Clubs which controlled TV rights to obtain a fair distribution of the money. Due to this situation Lazio and Fiore lost many matches (cause Moggi said to his Refs to damage his enemys) till when they decided to become friends of Moggi and of Juve 'cause serie B were very close. Since then they started to win and reached salvation.
- Milan, which with Juve shared almost all 10 last Scudetti, knew that Juve controlled Refs and the federation, and tried to build a counterpower controlling refs and lineguards not controlled by Juve.
The punishments of Juve, Lazio and Fiore are different from Milan punishment 'cause there are two different responsabilities. Direct, or subjective, for the first 3 and indirect for Milan. Direct for Juve, Lazio and Fiore 'cause were their General Manager or Presidents to corrupt and control refs. Indirect, or objective, for Milan 'cause the man, Mr Meani, who controlled the counter power wasnt a member of the management.
The italian football justice code provides two different punishments according to subjective or objective responsability: relegation for the first one, point deduction for the second one.
[ Direct, or subjective, for the first 3 and indirect for Milan. Direct for Juve, Lazio and Fiore 'cause were their General Manager or Presidents to corrupt and control refs. Indirect, or objective, for Milan 'cause the man, Mr Meani, who controlled the counter power wasnt a member of the management.
Exactly. The only reason why Milan is in A is because it was low official who was caught asking for refs. Milan suffers mostly because Galliani was involved in one of the intercepts ( he knew about the linesman assigned by Meani for the Milan-Chievo match)
Meani was also caught asking for refs for Fiorentina-Milan match ( he got the 2 linesmen at the end), and having a conversation with Udinese official, where they were talking about a "good result" for Udinese in the last match of the season (Udinese-Milan), and in return Milan would get an Udinese player ( Jankulovski came to Milan eventually).
But they never found proves that Galliani knew about all this (It will be absurd to think that Galliani and Milan players didn't know about this, because how would Udinese get a "good result" if they didn't?), and that's why only Meani was punished about these 2 matches, and not AC Milan.
I'm sure that Juve and Milan would have won everything even if there was no corruption ( CL results in last 10 years are a perfect prove for this), but there was a corruption and teams must have been punished, as much as i don't like it.
As for the Inter fan who made fun of Juve , i can say this only :
1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.....
Tell me when to stop !
now :roll:
Stick to english football Kvazimodo ! :twisted:
now :roll:
Stick to english football Kvazimodo ! :twisted:
u tell him Kommandante!!!
now :roll:
Stick to english football Kvazimodo ! :twisted:
u tell him Kommandante!!!
Dwarf !! :twisted: :twisted:
Minov, your coment is well out of the line. You can stop counting cause Inter will probably be awarded the championship title for 2005/06 season.
Of course, Juve and Milan wouldn't have won all those trophies, I can give you the clearest example when Inter was literally robbed by refs in some decisive games in '98 or '02 which took them away the trophiesin seasons when they played the best football. Everybody knew it wasn't coincidence, so even the yesterday verdict doesn't help much. Punishment is fair (for Juve) for last 2 years, but what about last 10 years?! Who can guarantee even other top teams like now convicted Lazio, Fiorentina, Parma etc. wouldn't have won it in certain seasons if everything was clear all the time. Not to mention financial and psycological effect it could have had on other teams, and how 'the fixers' were becoming only more powerful. In my opinion these clubs should be very happy with the verdict (especially Milan).
Minov, your coment is well out of the line. You can stop counting cause Inter will probably be awarded the championship title for 2005/06 season.
Nope, both Scudetti will be taken from Juve and not given to anyone. There is absolutely no way to know how much things were changed with all those refs being assigned by Moggi and Meani. If everything was clear, then Inter could have been 1st and they could have been 6th....they can never know what would have really happened, and that's why noone will take the Scudetti.
It was made very clear by the Italian federation, so you shouldn't hope about them.
Of course, Juve and Milan wouldn't have won all those trophies, I can give you the clearest example when Inter was literally robbed by refs in some decisive games in '98 or '02 which took them away the trophiesin seasons when they played the best football. Everybody knew it wasn't coincidence, so even the yesterday verdict doesn't help much. Punishment is fair (for Juve) for last 2 years, but what about last 10 years?! Who can guarantee even other top teams like now convicted Lazio, Fiorentina, Parma etc. wouldn't have won it in certain seasons if everything was clear all the time. Not to mention financial and psycological effect it could have had on other teams, and how 'the fixers' were becoming only more powerful. In my opinion these clubs should be very happy with the verdict (especially Milan).
Yes, this is all possibille, with the exception that Inter can blame only itself for failing again and again. They had far too many matchballs in 2002 as i remember and they ****ed up all of them. Just like Juve ****ed up the last match in 2000, when a win in Peruggia was enough for the trophy, a draw was enough for play-off, but they lost, and they're not blaming Inter or Milan or Collina who allowed the match to be played in crazy conditions on a waterlogged pitch.
You're right, we can not know what would have happened...maybe even Udinese would have won 9 scudetti if everything was clean, but it's very clear that Inter had it's chances, and they weren't good enough to take them.
They weren't the village idiot of Italian football without a reason :wink:
You're right, they were for a very strong reason - some fixing scums. There's a big difference in losing the game on the pitch like Juve did against Perugia, and that Chievo - Inter game in '02. Inter could have won it even after that, but that's not a reason to hold them off the pitch anywhere possible.
Actually, Italian federation can't decide about giving the title, it's up to comissionaire Rossi in the following days. Though, honestly I don't care much about his decision. Even if Inter gets it, there'll be no proper enjoyment in it, just another trophy added to stats.
re di cuori
19-07-06, 16:38
buffon has announced that he will play for juventus next year in sertie b, simply he his THE MAN imo.
Metalheadrock
20-07-06, 12:00
Cold Juve
I've been a Juve fan since I was 11 and I have to admit, the Juve of the past 2 or 3 year were cold and lacked that fire and passion that they used to have in the past. Winning was everything and the fans were put in the back seat. The Triad that have brought so much success to the club will always have a black cloud hanging over their reign. Not only that but the fans seem to be distanced from the club. Capello and other players that are just there for the money were the main contribution to that and the move to the Delli Alpi in the first place didnt help.
Was it all fixed? I dont believe it as new people like the Triad (at their beginning) can't just walk into the club and bring corruption to the Seria A. As in governments, success and power breads greed which is what made Moggie and Co overlook their ethical responsibility to the fans, club and shareholder for money. The desire of these people to retain their power by all means was wrong and they have pay for it
Other clubs
That said other clubs can't take the moral high grounds as Inter are doing right now. They knew about it and had some involvment of themselves. Just remember that Inter officials knew which referee was going to officiate their match in CL days before it was announced. Now you can give them the benefit of the doubt that they had nothing to do with his appointment, but it certainly constitutes foul play. Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, Roma and many others were not angels and pure souls so its a shame that some people are taking the moral high gournd now when Juve were caught. If any of the other clubs were targeted with phone taps, I would guarentee you the dirty laundy will come up. Its a shame that only Juve were targeted like this.
Forza Juve
Already Im loving this new Juve. Players dont need to stay, they're staying for their love of the club. Deshamps is one of the past legends of the club and will bring the Juve magic back instead of depending on mercenaries that dont care about the club. Now more and more of the Juve legends are getting involved, which is exciting
Its difficult to see positives for Juve from this scandal, but I do. I'm hoping this is gonna be a new begining where passion for Juve will connect the club back to the fans.
Already Del Piero, Nedved, Chillini, and now Buffon will be regarded as legends for standing by the club in crisis. The Juve website brings us more news about the club than they ever did. Fans are excited and going to watch their heros train, when in the past 2-3 years the Deli Alpi was half empty in most of their competative matches. Things look bright. Juve's look is gonna changing from the cold industrial type to a more passionate look.
Forza Juve
Cold Juve
I've been a Juve fan since I was 11
Nice post !
Are you a member of some Juve forum ???
Anyway, with mercenaries or no mercenaries, Juve was the best Italy had. Many can say that it was Moggi who brought all those Scudetti to Juve, and they can continue saying it, but it doesn't matter at all, because We know it wasn't Moggi who brought Juve in 4 Champions league finals in last 11 years, it wasn't Moggi who has beaten Milan 6:1 at San Siro, it wasn't him who scored those magnificient goals, even if some of them were in 90th minute, and it certanly wasn't him who made 8 Juventus players to play in World Cup final and prove who had the best team in Italy.
Latest reports say that 4 more clubs are involved and they now have evidence that it wasn't a Moggi system, but Calcio system functioning. Everybody was involved and doing the same things (except Inter of course. But how can Inter be involved when the guy who sentenced all the other clubs, Guido Rossi, was employed in Inter few years ago and was Moratti's right hand and one of his closest friends).
Many people couldn't stand Juve (and Milan) winning everything and now they finally broke them. Yap, Moggi was doing all those illegal stuff and it's a deserved punishment. But what's not deserved is Juve to be the scapegoat for something that was happening everywhere, in every stadium, by every single club in Italy.
If you have a chance, please read what did Reggina, Messina, Lecce etc did (it's in the latest report)...yes, they were fixing matches, and Moggi was not involved in it.
I love justice in Italian way :?
EDIT :
Guido Rossi, a known Interista and former member of Inter’s Board of Directors, not only conducted the sports trial but was responsible for handing out punishments to his rival squads.
"Rossi is also a very close friend of Moratti who is now demanding the scudetti of the last two seasons.
Does this not constitute a conflict of interest ?
Metalheadrock
20-07-06, 22:18
I've been a Juve fan since I was 11
Nice post !
Are you a member of some Juve forum ???
Hehe Im 22 now so its been 11 years since I fell in love with the club. I never supported any other football club in my life. Im a member in www.juventuz.com, I dont know if you know the site. They have a great fan forum there, check it out.
Forza Juve mate, keep loving the club. Its the greatest in the world.
Im a member in www.juventuz.com, I dont know if you know the site. They have a great fan forum there, check it out.
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Also a member there 8) 8)
I'm there for 1 year, but i got banned once ( :oops: ) and i registered again some time ago :lol: :lol:
Metalheadrock
20-07-06, 22:22
Im a member in www.juventuz.com, I dont know if you know the site. They have a great fan forum there, check it out.
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Also a member there 8) 8)
I'm there for 1 year, but i got banned once ( :oops: ) and i registered again some time ago :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: They get annoyed pretty fast sometimes, but I love them. Its great to be around Juve fans
Send me a PM and tell me your nick there !
Im a member in www.juventuz.com, I dont know if you know the site. They have a great fan forum there, check it out.
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Also a member there 8) 8)
I'm there for 1 year, but i got banned once ( :oops: ) and i registered again some time ago :lol: :lol:
You should be banned from here too because you're too annoying with your Juve sh*t :twisted:
Come on admit it! Even the grandmas from my street know that Juve fixed matches and even more than they are accused now but you (all Juve fans) just can't accept that. You should be very happy with this verdict :P
Come on admit it! Even the grandmas from my street know that Juve fixed matches and even more than they are accused now but you (all Juve fans) just can't accept that. You should be very happy with this verdict :P
If anyone should be happy with the verdict, it's Milan fans.
Milan got away only because Meani was a low official. They got clear proves for 3 fixed matches, and Milan got punished only for one of them, because that was the only case where they could have connected Galliani !
And as much as i know, even 1 fixed match should be enough to send the club to lower division, but i guess it doesn't goes for Berlusconi !!!
Well yes, that's the true. But if Milan was sent to lower division for 1 fixed match then what should have happened to JuBentus? Erased from the planet? Moggi burned in tar? Delle Alpi demolished? 8) (i went too far) :P
Arrivederci, see you in 5 years
(maybe you'll be back in A very soon, but you'll need at least 5 years to build up a team for conquering the top again)
Well yes, that's the true. But if Milan was sent to lower division for 1 fixed match then what should have happened to JuBentus? Erased from the planet? Moggi burned in tar? Delle Alpi demolished? 8) (i went too far) :P
Arrivederci, see you in 5 years
(maybe you'll be back in A very soon, but you'll need at least 5 years to build up a team for conquering the top again)
Actually, there were only 2 fixed matches for which Juve got demoted.
I can see you're not into this scandal matter very much. Moggi was appointing refs for many matches. He was Juve's GD but he worked for all the other clubs also. When Fiorentina needed something, or Lecce needed something, they all called Moggi to make things happen.
Juve got punished for 40 Moggi's phone calls, from where you can see that he fixed ( by fixed i mean appointing refs) 2 matches, and that he had the power to appoint refs.
But from there you can also see how he got angry sometimes because his rivals appointed referees for their matches.
My point is: everybody was doing the same. It should be Italian football the one to be punished by being expelled from european competitions, and it shouldn't be Juve only to take the blame for all the others.
Everything that happened is scandalous. From what Moggi was doing, to what Meani and the others were doing. They deserve harsh punishment ( Moggi was sentenced for 5 years out of football for Christ sake !!!! he should be in jail, not walk free and again control the things from behind).
The trial itself was scandalous as everybody (except Inter officials) said. For this kind of trial you need at least 1 year so you can hear everybody and give time to lawyers to prepare the defense. It lasted less than a month 8O 8O 8O .
The timing itself was also strange. Whoever gave the interceptions to the media, was waiting for Berlusconi to fall ( they were given to the media 1 week after Prodi became the PM of Italy). Berlusconi himself was certanly well aware of what was happening in Calcio but he never said a word. Don't you find this strange ??? Don't you think he was also deeply involved in everything???
And it all happened right before the World Cup ???? It all looks like an attack on Italian football, don't u think ???
And at the end...who is really behind all this ? Who gets the benefit from all this ?Why were Juve and Milan under the lights of scrutiny ? Who does this helps out ??? Which club ends up in an advantage over all of this?. Not Juve and not Milan. Who got it's former board director to give the final verdict and sentence Milan and Juve ?
From the evidence they got they couldn't have sentenced Juve more than they did, believe me !
From yesterday, Messina, Reggina, Siena and Lecce are all involved in the new scandle erupting .
Moggipoli or Calciopoli ?
I seriously hope you don't really mean all this, you sound like a lawyer defending a serial killer.
Guido Rossi, a known Interista and former member of Inter’s Board of Directors, not only conducted the sports trial but was responsible for handing out punishments to his rival squads.
"Rossi is also a very close friend of Moratti who is now demanding the scudetti of the last two seasons.
Does this not constitute a conflict of interest ?
Nothing strange ! This is Italy, things have always been done like this and it will continue that way, in everything. If I ain't in the payroll I ain't sticking my hand in the fire for nobody.
Oh no Mr.Minov it's not just those 2 matches you're talking about and you know it but like Prija said you're talking like a real lawyer
Apart from the XXX directly fixed matches, Juve are alleged for influencing the choice of referees for matches to ensure that certain players would be booked/sent off so they'll be unable to play against Juve in the next round. Even some journalists have been implicated in giving favourable reports on Juve matches if any "suspicious" decisions where made by a fixed referee during that match.
All they had against Milan was Meani (who isn't a member of the board) asking for a "normal" linesman for the Siena match, after Milan lost a match against Cheivo (in which if I remember Crespo was denied a crystal clear goal)
And the real reason why Milan were alleged was that the judges were Rossi (as you mentioned above an Inter fan and a former member of Inter's board of Directors) and Borrelli (a big rival of Berlusconi whose mission from day one was to make Berlusconi's life a misery).
what about INTER and scudetto 2005/06., 2004/05.?
Metalheadrock
21-07-06, 12:03
Oh no Mr.Minov it's not just those 2 matches you're talking about and you know it but like Prija said you're talking like a real lawyer
Apart from the XXX directly fixed matches, Juve are alleged for influencing the choice of referees for matches to ensure that certain players would be booked/sent off so they'll be unable to play against Juve in the next round. Even some journalists have been implicated in giving favourable reports on Juve matches if any "suspicious" decisions where made by a fixed referee during that match.
Do you honestly believe that Juve managed to corrupt Seria A on their own? According to the evidence brought. They are questioning 2 matches so if they are looking at these two matches thats what they think they have a chance of implicating Juve on.
Well, thats it isnt it. Moggi was trying to appoint referees that dishout cards easily so players with yellow cards miss their matches with Juve. First they had to have 4 yellow cards before the match straight before Juve's match. Far fetched isnt it for Moggie to make officials give cards to the same player 4 matches before hand?
As for the Journalists, its not a crime or Sports fraud. Its dishonest Journalism if anything. And please dont tell me all journalists are impartial and dont have personal interests when the write about football
Moggi was trying to lower the price of player he was going to buy by asking them to under perform. Is tha cynical and underhanded? Yes. Moggi was bad, no question about it.
All this is not under question though now isnt it. Its the 2 matches that are under investigation. In these matches the referees where deemed innocent so what exactly in the big problem? Its the fact that Moggi was looking to appoint certain referees exactly like our friend Meani here.
All they had against Milan was Meani (who isn't a member of the board) asking for a "normal" linesman for the Siena match, after Milan lost a match against Cheivo (in which if I remember Crespo was denied a crystal clear goal)
And the real reason why Milan were alleged was that the judges were Rossi (as you mentioned above an Inter fan and a former member of Inter's board of Directors) and Borrelli (a big rival of Berlusconi whose mission from day one was to make Berlusconi's life a misery).
Asking for a "normal" referee is exactly what Moggi is saying. He says he was looking after the interest of the club by ensuring that the best referees are appointed to Juve's matches. What the difference between that and what Moggi did?
Juve is the most successful club that everyone loves to hate, thats why they are singled out by these phone taps and not the other big clubs. Centainly from these conversations by Moggi you know that there was interaction between Milan, Juve, Fiorentina, Lazio, and now Siena, Reggina, Lecce and Messina in this matter. The fact that Juve was a big club with a Media war against them by Berlisconi is why they are being treates like this.
Believe me if its fair I would happily accept the sentence, but if it doesnt appear to be fair, its probably isnt. Judges have to appear impartial not only be impartial.
Jumbo, Juve wasn't demoted because of all the things you mentioned above. Those things go with article 6, and Juve got punished for breaking article 1 . Prosecutors charged Juve with all these things, but Juve wasn't sentenced and demoted because of those things.
And i still stand by what i said. Moggi was doing all these things but all the others were doing them. Do you remember Zlatan's case from season 2004-05. He was given 2 matches ban, and then suddenly, they changed it to 3 matches ban, with the 3rd match being against Milan at San Siro ( the Scudetto decider, when Juve won 0:1) !!! If Moggi was that powerful would he allow this ? It was Galliani who had the final word on these matters, wasn't it ??? He was the president, or was he only a puppet is what you think ?
And you don't seriously mean Meani only asked for fair refs ????
Meani was complaining on the refs he got in Siena match and then he specifically said: I want linesman X for the match against Chievo.
He asked for 2 linesmen in Fiorentina-Milan match (one of them was Ayroldi, i don't remember the name of the other one) and he got them.
He and the Udinese official fixed the last match of the season against Udinese so Udine will get to CL, and Milan will get Jankulovski at the end.
Isn't this clear fixing ???? Meani got punished for all these things, and Milan got away with it because they couldn't involve Galliani in all this (except Milan-Chievo match, where they have Meani telling Galliani how he got the lineman he asked for). But do you think Meani did this on his own, without the directors knowing about it ????
At the end: Why do they have interceptions for season 2004-05 only ? Why not for season 2003-04, or the last season ???
bogdan1007
21-07-06, 12:33
when someone is simply the best, all the others are trying to kick him, to destroy him with all sh!ts. that's because milan and inter are furious that juve was the best.juve won scudetto in san siro against milan two years ago and against inter this year.
ok...juve fixed some games. they deserve to be punished. they deserve to be relegated. but nevertheless don't forget that inter and milan also did that. and as minov said...it was galliani as president who had more influence. as i read in gazzetta dello sport, moggi said that berlusconi asked him to become a member of his political formation and to come as president of milan starting with 2006 - 2007 season. and when he refused next days the scandal appeared in the papers.
maybe not only juve is the cause. and the ones that are saying "juve won 2 scudettos with fixed games and refferes"...take a look at juve squad and at World Cup squad...you will see a lot of bianconerri. or maybe the world cup was fixed by moggi?
I WISH ONE DAY TO SEE INTER AND MILAN IN SAME SITUATION! because now they are as guilty as juventus!
And again you admit that Moggi did this, Moggi did that, he's the one to blame, 5 years out of football is nothing... but you're still denying that Juve's is so guilty and you're blaming Moggi. So why was Moggy doing all this? For personal interests? For fame? For glory? No, he was doing all this for Juve. Minov said that Moggi wasn't helping just Juve but he was helping Fiorentina and Lecce. WHY? Why was he helping them? How did they returned the favour? "Thank you" is not enough
Small off-topic interesting fact that I read yesterday: "Moggi had 6 mobile phones and he made about 400 phone calls a day" 8O
And again you admit that Moggi did this, Moggi did that, he's the one to blame, 5 years out of football is nothing... but you're still denying that Juve's is so guilty and you're blaming Moggi. So why was Moggy doing all this? For personal interests? For fame? For glory? No, he was doing all this for Juve. Minov said that Moggi wasn't helping just Juve but he was helping Fiorentina and Lecce. WHY? Why was he helping them? How did they returned the favour? "Thank you" is not enough
Small off-topic interesting fact that I read yesterday: "Moggi had 6 mobile phones and he made about 400 phone calls a day" 8O
You can't read, can you mate :P
He did all those things and Juve deserved the punishment..period !!!!
What i dislike is Juve, Lazio, Fiorentina and Milan taking the whole blame for what everybody was doing everywhere, and Juve to take 99% of the blame !!!
And exactly the thing with his phone calls is what his lawyers wanted to be examined. He made 100 000 phone calls in 1 year, and the prosecutors took only 40 of them. His lawyers asked all the phone calls to be taken as evidence, not only the specific 40, but Rossi rejected. Why do you think he did so ? Maybe some phone call mustn't be heared, he ?
And yes, most of the things he did weren't for Juve. Moggi was doing almost the same things while he was in Napoli and Torino. He was doing most of these things for power, not for Juve. He doesn't gives a fuk about Juve. Berlu also asked for Moggi to come to Milan. Why do you think he did that? Of course because Moggi had the power to control many things. It was not the Agnelli's or FC Juventus who had such power, but it was Moggi. That's why both Berlusconi and Moratti wanted him to be the GD of their clubs !!!
Moggi was the most powerful among club's directors, but not the only one and many times some other GD's have beaten him in the "fixing matches" game. It was a circle where everyone was fighting for more power. They were all fighting against eachother, and they were all helping eachother at the same time ! That's the only way i can explain the silence of Berlusconi and Moratti during these years.
Milan must to go in Italia C! Milan = MAFIA!!!!
i just read in one romanian paper ( source Gazzetta dello Sport ):
seems Lazio & Fiorentina will stay in Serie A!
re di cuori
25-07-06, 12:06
i just read in one romanian paper ( source Gazzetta dello Sport ):
seems Lazio & Fiorentina will stay in Serie A!
these are the rumors a bout lazio and fiorentina right , milan will probably play in uefa cup and juve will have probably 15-20 points less in serie b we will see...........
Almost everyone speak of their beloved team with fans' brain, therefore being partially and not seeing the whole truth. You can't ever be objective. You see a deformed reality justified by weird explanations. The bad thing (for you) is that this kind of attitude reflects in every other aspects of your life including betting "hobby".
P.S. You don't need to immediately reply to this (also because I won't read it). Instead take some time to think about it.
re di cuori
25-07-06, 20:01
the official verdict is juventus serie b and 17 points less fiorentina serie a aND 19 POINTS LESS LAZIO SERIE A AND 11 POINTS LESS MILAN SERIE A AND 8 POINTS LESS
This seems much more reasonable verdict.
But I guess the clubs (or Juve at least) will appeal again :?:
re di cuori
25-07-06, 20:22
This seems much more reasonable verdict.
But I guess the clubs (or Juve at least) will appeal again :?:
i relly do not think so it will be the final decision
I spent 3 hours waiting for the final verdict !
As expected Juve was the scapegoat in Calciopoli, but Juve can be only happy for this last verdict. They got -17 points, and they have Lazio and Fiorentina out of their way. It looks much better than -30 with Viola and Lazio, and much much better than Serie C !
Will be back in 1 year, the others deserved a chance to win something at least !
Oh, and btw :
Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina get -30 points from last season, which gives Milan the right to play in Champions league qualifyers, while Lazio and Fiorentina are out of Europe !
what about Juve's last two year's titles? same with older decision?
and milan will go to european cups or is it also same with older decision that no european ticket for milan?
what about Juve's last two year's titles? same with older decision?
and milan will go to european cups or is it also same with older decision that no european ticket for milan?
Last years tittle won't be assigned to anybody, while they didn't say anything about the 2004/05 Scudetto !
and as i said in my previous post : Milan will play in Champions league 3rd round qualifyers !!!
"Juventus will appeal a decision by a sports tribunal to relegate the team to Serie B with a point deduction through a civil court if needed, the team lawyer was quoted as saying on Tuesday"
**** ! Will this end someday ?? :evil:
what about Juve's last two year's titles? same with older decision?
and milan will go to european cups or is it also same with older decision that no european ticket for milan?
Last years tittle won't be assigned to anybody, while they didn't say anything about the 2004/05 Scudetto !
and as i said in my previous post : Milan will play in Champions league 3rd round qualifyers !!!
"Juventus will appeal a decision by a sports tribunal to relegate the team to Serie B with a point deduction through a civil court if needed, the team lawyer was quoted as saying on Tuesday"
(censored) ! Will this end someday ?? :evil:
thanx mate, this verdict seems also strange, no punishment for milan. if they appeal again, they probably let Milan to play from Champion's league quarter finals :lol:
so Minov, is Juve in intertoto next year or not?
:lol: :twisted:
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so Minov, is Juve in intertoto next year or not?
:lol: :twisted:
God knows next year but Juve seems to go for another rejection this year :)
""we cannot absolutely accept this sentence" said by Juve's president Gigli.
Disappointing ! After the others went through the trouble trying to make an example now this one just slaps them on the hand.
Big shame Italian football suffered with this process got only worse after these ridiculous decisions. Though, it's not over yet, teams can still make appeals on couple of other places, so don't be surprised to see Juventus and Milan awarded with bonus points and couple of scudettos as the final verdict. :twisted:
Comedy and shame, nothing less and nothing more.
Comedy and shame, nothing less and nothing more.
That's the right comment!
As paradox I can say that the scandal has been better than the verdict!
Above all Juventus has been helped, and we will see them back in serie A after 1 year!
Picture this:
AC Milan wins Champions League this year.
How will anybody from UEFA explain that the champion of Europe is the team that entered the champions league after being proven to fix matches.
UEFA should never allow AC Milan to participate in this year's UCL.
Also, I think UEFA should deal properly with the Italian Football Association. If nothing happens after this, football in Europe is AN ABSOLUTE JOKE.
Picture this:
AC Milan wins Champions League this year.
How will anybody from UEFA explain that the champion of Europe is the team that entered the champions league after being proven to fix matches.
UEFA should never allow AC Milan to participate in this year's UCL.
Also, I think UEFA should deal properly with the Italian Football Association. If nothing happens after this, football in Europe is AN ABSOLUTE JOKE.
Totally agree.. its a big big disgrace for UEFA. How can they talk about fair play anymore?
but i have to say this; if we have the same brave prosecutors in Turkey, there wont be a single team in our super!league next year... so dont forget that worse has worse
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UEFA should never allow AC Milan to participate in this year's UCL.
Also, I think UEFA should deal properly with the Italian Football Association. If nothing happens after this, football in Europe is AN ABSOLUTE JOKE.
ABSOLUTELY AGREE !!!!! WTF ??? they was sentenced for being involved in fixing scandal and they were punished by ... a place in cahmpions league ! B . I . G . S C A N D A L !!!!
AND BIGGER JOKE !!!!
This is only because Berlusconi,biggest cheater in Italy and one of the richiest guys in europe,if not richiest.So thats way..and noone will fight with his club.Thats disgusting how those bitches from milan had luck that theu have such owner.I wish all worst for milan
From your words you just show incompetence, disinformation and hate toward one single subject. Obviously you don't know nothing about this scandal and teams involved so please save your comments for something else you know better.
And regarding my country's behaviour I just want to remind to all of you the recent fifa's sentence against Materazzi. That was a real indecent scandal.
whole Italian football is one big scandal :evil:
Guys just dont mix up Italy as a country / truly amazing and wonderful country I must say / with a few match fixers.
As for the verdict - no matter what the final decisions will be I am sure Italian football will only improve from now on and things will be much more clear.
what about Inter and scudettos from 2004/05. and 2005/06.?
Brescia1911
26-07-06, 14:37
what about Inter and scudettos from 2004/05. and 2005/06.?
Tomorrow Inter will be proclaimed Italian Champion for the season 2005-2006. Scudetto 2004-2005 wont be awarded.
From your words you just show incompetence, disinformation and hate toward one single subject. Obviously you don't know nothing about this scandal and teams involved so please save your comments for something else you know better.
And regarding my country's behaviour I just want to remind to all of you the recent fifa's sentence against Materazzi. That was a real indecent scandal.
i believe that milan should get heavier punishment,thats all,i dont offend italy as a country ofcourse....and juve penalty and other were deserved ,but i think that milan punishment is to less,and they also should be relegated to serie B,like juventus
Brescia1911
26-07-06, 15:16
From your words you just show incompetence, disinformation and hate toward one single subject. Obviously you don't know nothing about this scandal and teams involved so please save your comments for something else you know better.
And regarding my country's behaviour I just want to remind to all of you the recent fifa's sentence against Materazzi. That was a real indecent scandal.
i believe that milan should get heavier punishment,thats all,i dont offend italy as a country ofcourse....and juve penalty and other were deserved ,but i think that milan punishment is to less,and they also should be relegated to serie B,like juventus
You are absolutely right. But Milan has been saved by Prosecutor Palazzi, who forgot to add ( or didnt want to add :roll: ) to the judicial acts, e.g "the illegal telephonic conversations", that one phone call where Mr Galliani said to Mr Meani to "push " in order to have friendly linesmen. So Milan has been punished for an objective respondability, not sobjective as Juventus. For italian sporting justice objective responsabilty provides a points deduction, while subjective responasability provides the relegation.
re di cuori
26-07-06, 18:40
what about Inter and scudettos from 2004/05. and 2005/06.?
Tomorrow Inter will be proclaimed Italian Champion for the season 2005-2006. Scudetto 2004-2005 wont be awarded.
scudetto for 2005-2006 season has been assigned to inter
Metalheadrock
27-07-06, 17:50
All this talk about never trusting European competition again is just rediculous. This has little to do with Italy mate.
1. UEFA extend the deadline for Italy.
2. Milan get into CL otherwise Palermo would be in.
This might show that UEFA are themselves worried about their G14 candidates (Milan is a big club). Milan being the second most successful european side in history would be a big loss to the competition. :roll:
At least Italy tries to fix the competition, unlike others who sweep stuff under the carpet.
Spain (REAL MADRID). England (illegal body appointing referees, breaching FIFA and UEFA regulations plus illegal deals between premier league sides and belgium clubs). And any other league you might think of.
So please, save you're hollier than thou attitude about "never trusting Europe again"
Juve took the blame by themselves in Seria B even though section 6 wasnt proven like Levan is saying. Given that only Juve are in Seria B, I expected the point penalty to be less. Milan got lucky even though Galliani (A director) was involved. He says he was just listening to the phone call to not be rude 8O :lol: Yeah me too, just like Toni Soprano ordering a guy to be killed, then just listens when the hit is done.
grzegorz_g
21-08-06, 19:46
The president of Ligi of Italian clubs Antonio Matarrese informed, that the time-table the Serie A and the Serie B 30 August will be well-known.
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