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Vukasin Micunovic
29-05-06, 09:40
Hamburg / – On 3.6.2006, just ahead of the FIFA 2006 World Cup in Germany, a friendly between Croatia and Germany’s group opponents Poland will take place at the VOLKSWAGEN Arena in Wolfsburg. Kick off is set for 5.30pm. The match was organised by SPORTFIVE, the international sports rights agency ,which is, inter alias, contract partner of both countries.
“We are thrilled to be able to host such a highly attractive contest,” explains Klaus Fuchs, Managing Director of Wolfsburg’s Bundesliga club, VfL Wolfsburg.
“This is a very important match for us,” emphasises Zlatko Kranjcar, coach of the Croatian squad, “since it is a real test of strength ahead of the World Cup and we are bound to benefit from getting a taste of the World Cup atmosphere before actually heading into the big event itself.”
“My personal focus,” comments Pawel Janas, coach of the Polish national side, “will be on the sporting side of this match, since, in my view, we will be crossing swords with one of the best ten teams taking part in the World Cup finals. I very much look forward to the support we will be getting from the many Polish fans in Germany.”
please open threads with normal letters (not caps) and avoid making polls, as they are useless. It's easy to vote, and not so easy to write a selfstanding post about the game. We put the emhpasis on the latter. Thanks. Satyr.
For me it is under 2,5. Both teams have defensive style of play and their strikers arent' world class.
GL
Actually regarding Croatian defense against Iran that doesen`t sound like good bet,Croatia is always dangerous in attack with Pršo and Klasni***263; while our defence seems like too confused to prevent some goals from opponent so under is not good option for higher stake.
Guys calm down, before this game both teams will play another games. It's madness to make a bet now, when you don't know what will happend in upcoming games before Cro-Pol(chance for other players, injury might happend too etc. ).
For me Poland have a good team, but Croatia also is no poor, Over 2.5 for me is good bet :wink: and small stake for Poland, Poland like win friendly match :D
after yesterday's disaster with iran,everybody who put his money on croatia in this match is crazy,NO BET definitly!
Your criteria for rang a match is a disaster!!!! i don't know why have u called yesterday's match a disaster???
It was a difficult game , on a poor pitch and the players are tired from the prepairing training for the world cup!!!! The first match against Austria has being played with more agresion and the players were less tired!!! :wink:
Poland is gonna lose, and not only this match, but other matches too. I'm going to make a lot of money beetting against my national team :) And it's not because it's a bad team. It is not a TEAM at all, because in Poland there is a specific kind of thinking. You know - everyone wants to play in the WC and everyone want's to show that he's worth taking him into the squad and finally everyone is playing alone and wants to show his brilliant ablilities. Finally there is no team-play in Poland. And it doesn't matter that the team is completed (players are chosen) - you have to show that you're the best. That's why Poland is the country of Indyvidualists. In Poland we say "everyone is above everyone". So Croatia is gonna win this match.
EDIT: sorry for my english :)
nazz, I can only wish you GL but I also hope that you won't win a lot of money betting against Poland :wink:
Poland is gonna lose, and not only this match, but other matches too. I'm going to make a lot of money beetting against my national team :) And it's not because it's a bad team. It is not a TEAM at all, because in Poland there is a specific kind of thinking. You know - everyone wants to play in the WC and everyone want's to show that he's worth taking him into the squad and finally everyone is playing alone and wants to show his brilliant ablilities. Finally there is no team-play in Poland. And it doesn't matter that the team is completed (players are chosen) - you have to show that you're the best. That's why Poland is the country of Indyvidualists. In Poland we say "everyone is above everyone". So Croatia is gonna win this match.
EDIT: sorry for my english :)
I can't agree with you, becaise IMO everything what u wrote is one **** :lol: .
Just tell me who wants show his individual capabilities!
And I don't say it because I'm Polish, I just saw every match of our national team and I can say that it is a team for sure! I can count a lot of teams where the players are individualists, but:
:arrow: firstly: there's nothing bad IMO! It's good when players gave everything from theirself (nvm if it's for team or for theirself)
:arrow: secondly: in Polish team I can see max 2-3 players who are individualists, but as I told - it's good for team.
Certainly I didn't say that Polish team is the best or something like this, but that guy has irritated me.
Jesus.. :lol:
I think it's all what I wanted to say.
C ya
You know, I just hate watching polish football, because there is 11 small one-player teams inside this team (11 in 1 - better than "Wash And Go" shampoo :). That's all.
olovni vojnik
29-05-06, 20:32
Croatia defence will shine in it's true light if/when:
:arrow: Uncertainty with the goalkeepers ends. The chosen one will build up his self-confidence and form and secure defensive lines.
:arrow: Hierarchy in defence gets in it's place. That means, Robert Kova***269; responsible for positioning defenders, Šimuni***263; and Tomas/Šimi***263; arresting opponent's attackers.
What so ever, match against Poland still won't show the real picture, which could easily result with a defeat from this, IMO, strong squad. Croatia have tradition of good results in friendlies before big competitions, but that doesn't mean much.
Shortly said, on Saturday slight advantage for Poland, unless their team is struggling with their own problems, opinions from Poland will be of huge help this time.
If these two teams were to meet at WC, advantage goes to Croatian side due to quality of play and excellent compound of different types of players.
You know, I just hate watching polish football, because there is 11 small one-player teams inside this team (11 in 1 - better than "Wash And Go" shampoo :). That's all.
I understood what u meaned man, but I can't agree with ya and I am also sad that You don't see Poland as team and You hate watching their games.
Maybe Poland isn't playing beautiful football, but they try and I respect them for it.
We all know that Poland isn't Brasil, England or even Portugal, but as our lovely Kazimierz Gorski told: "Ball is round and goals are two" so when match lasts everything is possible, because if that wouldn't be right, then bookies would bust.
So I belive in Poland as 99% Polish people (without you and few more ;) )
And I don't belive, but I am sure that we are team!
C ya :)
Poland is gonna lose, and not only this match, but other matches too. I'm going to make a lot of money beetting against my national team :) And it's not because it's a bad team. It is not a TEAM at all, because in Poland there is a specific kind of thinking. You know - everyone wants to play in the WC and everyone want's to show that he's worth taking him into the squad and finally everyone is playing alone and wants to show his brilliant ablilities. Finally there is no team-play in Poland. And it doesn't matter that the team is completed (players are chosen) - you have to show that you're the best. That's why Poland is the country of Indyvidualists. In Poland we say "everyone is above everyone". So Croatia is gonna win this match.
EDIT: sorry for my english :)
Dude ,did u ever see Polish game?I guess dat u didnt. if u think that Poland is team where every1 is thinkin not bout team ,but bout himself,i think that u r the biggest fool wat i eva heard.tell me one persone from Poland who is very famous person? u dont have superstars ,but Poland is team,its lovely team where for example Zurawski is thinking not bout himself ,but bout him team-mates.i really dont know who made u ,but is okay,maybe u just was thinkin bout other sport.Open your blind eyes.
I never saw such crap and bullshit on one topic like on this one. I thought this is bettingadvice forum, not poligon for adolescent stupidness. OK there are provocators but I don't give **** about them, just look your lousy team you jealeous juvenile. If you don't want to write something usefull, don't write at all. I wonder about Polish tactics and probable squad for Saturday, so Polish friends help. No news from Cro side yet...
I never saw such crap and (censored) on one topic like on this one. I thought this is bettingadvice forum, not poligon for adolescent stupidness. OK there are provocators but I don't give sh*t about them, just look your lousy team you jealeous juvenile. If you don't want to write something usefull, don't write at all. I wonder about Polish tactics and probable squad for Saturday, so Polish friends help. No news from Cro side yet...
As I told, everything will be clear after match against Columbia :!:
Thread moderated/8 posts deleted. First of, avoid one line comments containing the bet you're on, as they're useless and help nobody. Be informational or write a selfstanding post, if nothing else. Not everyone have to write a preview, but three, four sentences about the match (and expectations, possible bets, etc) would do the trick. But BASE your opinion on something. Don't just write crap.Satyr.
P.S. This is a BETTINGADVICE FORUM. It's not a forum for football fans to argue whose team is better. So don't be ****y, and don't jump on critisizing other teams blatantly as it will just create more fuss. We're all here to make money, and we surely ain't gonna make a fortune betting on meaningless friendlies. So think twice before staking "10/10 :roll: " on anything.
George_Hanson
30-05-06, 00:16
Thread moderated/8 posts deleted. First of, avoid one line comments containing the bet you're on.
Poland will lose :wink:
Roman Bobrowski
30-05-06, 08:25
You know, I just hate watching polish football, because there is 11 small one-player teams inside this team (11 in 1 - better than "Wash And Go" shampoo :). That's all.
U're not right!!! Poland plays good football. In qualifications they were playing beautifly, scores many goals. They lost only 2 matches with England, but in my opinion they should win or draw first match (in Poland). There is very similar squad now and Poland will play very good. I think they'll win friendlies with Columbia and Croatia. In World Cup finals they should win with Costa Rica and Ecuador. What will be with germans- we'll se. Mayby some sensation??? :)
FIRST
Those who area rgueing which team is better are stupid idiots and i had a lot of fun reading you argueing :lol:
SECOND
Both teams are on comparable level,Croatia have Prso etc,and we have Kuszczak (one of best GK in GB,maybe in MAN U soon),Zurawski etc ,But it doesnt matter i wanted to show that there is no need to argue and it is pathetic...You're acting like a child "my toy is better"...
THIRD
How can you argue if we play today another feriendly and it will clear many doubts ?but today Smolarek most probably WILL NOT PLAY,he is ok,but physios recomend him to rest today
FOURTH
We will judge abilities of our teams after today Poland game,then we will see what our team can in compare to Croatia,and till game it is stupid to argue...
well Kacpro if we are talking about betting it's about judging abilities and comparing teams before the game starts ... no hard feelings :)
well Kacpro if we are talking about betting it's about judging abilities and comparing teams before the game starts ... no hard feelings :)
DUDE, this is friendly game, and no one will show full "abilites" there, they will try some rotations and thats it, ofcourse no one want to lose :wink: . Stay away is my POD :!:
yes,but not now,before another friendly game when noone knows anything about Poland.Because noone saw them playing with this first eleven since very long,probably they never been seen with this squad...So only idiots can judge game Poland-Croatia before today game with Columbia.It wil show us if we can play good or not...but atm there is no need to argue..How can anyone judge team that noone ever seen playing with such lineup?
:lol: :lol: Calm down.I dont mind telling bad about Croatia,because they are also good team.We will see today what can Poland do.Thats all
and something more...BACKUP told another good word.In such short time before WC both teams will want to avoid injuries..definitely.So maybe best plaeyrs will not be on pitch whole 90 mins
yes,but not now,before another friendly game when noone knows anything about Poland.Because noone saw them playing with this first eleven since very long,probably they never been seen with this squad...So only idiots can judge game Poland-Croatia before today game with Columbia.It wil show us if we can play good or not...but atm there is no need to argue..How can anyone judge team that noone ever seen playing with such lineup?
:lol: :lol: Calm down.I dont mind telling bad about Croatia,because they are also good team.We will see today what can Poland do.Thats all
once again, you are right :!:
and about POL-CRO clash, IMO its gona be a game full of goals and best bet would be over 2.5 and even 3.5 :wink:
i will stay away from 1X2
I agree that we would be able to say more about this game after Poland - Columbia, but we should stay away from over - under because this will be open game for all 90 min. Croatian defence will be set with it`s full strength. Simunic is back ( I hope that he will be able to play all 90 min because his substitutes Tomas and then Tokic destroyed us against Iran), Kovac and Simic are playing with lots of confidence and they are in great form. We all know that Croatian defence is a very hard to break and now when Simunic is back defence is the again strongest part of Croatian team. Srna played better against Iran and this match could be the one when we will see him in his full strenght. But for one thing I`m sure, we will see a great performance by Klasnic. He will be very motivated in front of a German audience and I just can`t see him not to score. Very important thing is that coach Zlatko Kranjcar will try to get his team back in a winning mood after game against Iran so dont expect him to change anything in his team and in his style of play.
I expect Croatia to win and Klasnic to score, but that is just my opinion :lol:
olovni vojnik
30-05-06, 14:29
Croatian defence will be set with it`s full strength. Simunic is back ( I hope that he will be able to play all 90 min because his substitutes Tomas and then Tokic destroyed us against Iran), Kovac and Simic are playing with lots of confidence and they are in great form. We all know that Croatian defence is a very hard to break and now when Simunic is back defence is the again strongest part of Croatian team.
As for WC matches, Tomas is still a starting option, Kranjcar will hardly decide between him and Šimi***263;. It is not only a question of form.
This is not a good time to bet on Croatia matches.
Poland last some games contained good but also poor performances. But the good ones cover few of disappointing, Poland surely is a team to take seriously now. Smolarek scored in last game, overall they focus rather on attack. So i take Poland.
Poland last some games contained good but also poor performances. But the good ones cover few of disappointing, Poland surely is a team to take seriously now. Smolarek scored in last game, overall they focus rather on attack. So i take Poland.
DONT LOOK AT LAST PERFORMANCES BECAUSE 3/4 OF THIS TEAM WONT PLAY NOW!!...much of guys that played in last games wont play today..because those were test games for our B and C squad,with guys who were on bench in their teams,to check if they are up to play on WC..but they failed..believe me.Wait and judge polish team after today game with columbia,not earlier friend:)
DONT LOOK AT LAST PERFORMANCES BECAUSE 3/4 OF THIS TEAM WONT PLAY NOW!!...much of guys that played in last games wont play today..because those were test games for our B and C squad,with guys who were on bench in their teams,to check if they are up to play on WC..but they failed..believe me.Wait and judge polish team after today game with columbia,not earlier friend:)
Do you have info who will play against Croatia? - the best squad or will be some changes after match with Columbia?
I prefer better not to play anything on this game because its the last game before WC and the player have to rest before beginning... :!:
dealer_dil
02-06-06, 13:39
How do you think- Croatia will play their best "11"?
How do you think- Croatia will play their best "11"?
l just heard that game maybe wont be play cas croatian players have problems with stomach :roll:
How do you think- Croatia will play their best "11"?
l just heard that game maybe wont be play cas croatian players have problems with stomach :roll: maybe they're afraid :) rather not over 2.5 may be a good option I see something like 2-1 3-1 for Croatians
Yep, Bosko Balaban, Ivica Olic, Anthony Seric & Dario Simic had problems with stomach today so training was canceled but all four will be ready for tomorrow's match against Poland.
Latest info - Croatian starting lineup:
Pletikosa - Simic, R.Kovac, Simunic - Srna, Vranjes, Modric, Babic - Kranjcar - Prso, Klasnic
I will bet on Croatia(Cratia now has very good team,on the other side is Poland now is very poor ,when i watching their results vc Columbia.....)
Prediction 3-1 for the Croatians (1goal-Klasnic)
I expect Croatia finish with the Title in Germany!
BTW, our important midfileders Igor Tudor & Niko Kovac won't play tomorrow. Tudor got 2 free days because of newly born son, while Kovac is recovering from muscle injury. They will be replaced by Werder's Jurica Vranjes & talented playmaker of Dinamo Z. Luka Modric. :wink:
Looking at these teams performance in last 2 friendly games...
Croatia - Iran 2:2
Austria - Croatia 1:4
Poland - Columbia 1:2
Poland - Faroer Islands 4:0
... i belive OVER 2 goals (1.73 :arrow: Pointbet ) is a definitley worth 7 units :wink:
You have my opinion here :arrow: http://www.bettingadvice.com/showPredictionsLeague.php?idMenu=63
Guys you are tottaly wrong!!!
This game is so obvious under, stake 9/10 for me.
First of all, Cro team finally plays with full defence line, and this time I do not expect missunderstandings like Tomas and Tokic likes to do. Poland haven't got top class strikers and it will be relativly easy job to neutralise Poland attack. On the other hand Tudor and Niko Kovac, two defensive midfielders are missing and they are vital for our attack. Why? Simply, all attacks starts from these two players and Modric and Vranjes are not that class, and they are not played toghether yet. There wan't be much chance on both side. I prefer Croatia to win, but with small margin: 1:0 or 2:0, even 0:0 is very possible. To be honest, Poland is not playing attractive football, they will be occupied on defense, counterattacks and free kicks, with tall strikers.
And third, this game both manager will use to try some tactical variants of play, and in second half with substitutes game will become very boring. I m sure in that and in UNDER.
SaloNika -GreeCe
02-06-06, 20:32
From what is your Under2.5 with 9/10 stake? I can't see that so much. And btw, both teams are really 'overish'
To be honest, Poland is not playing attractive football
I assume that's why Poland scored 27 goals in quals, almost twice as much as England.
they will be occupied on defense, counterattacks and free kicks, with tall strikers.
Yeah tall strikers are our main weapon! We have only Rasiak who haven't scored a single goal in quals. Man, you actually saw Poland playing?
Generally I have different opinion and I will go with over here, just like in previous Poland match. Two goals at least I would say. 6-7/10 for me.
BTW Boruc who was most propably our first keeper(still it's not decided) got injured today(misplaced finger or smth) and it's not sure if he will be able to play. In that case Kuszczak(yup the same, who let this funny goal:)) will propably take his place, but I wouldn't expect any mistakes from him this time.
Fresh news, Dado Prso also has problems with stomach and won't play tomorrow almost for sure!
Iceman_007
02-06-06, 21:51
NEWS: Prso is out for tommorows game, maybe some other players too, seems like they picked up some virus. Poland suddenly looks good
666shawn666
02-06-06, 22:00
Guys you are tottaly wrong!!!
This game is so obvious under, stake 9/10 for me.
First of all, Cro team finally plays with full defence line, and this time I do not expect missunderstandings like Tomas and Tokic likes to do. Poland haven't got top class strikers and it will be relativly easy job to neutralise Poland attack. On the other hand Tudor and Niko Kovac, two defensive midfielders are missing and they are vital for our attack. Why? Simply, all attacks starts from these two players and Modric and Vranjes are not that class, and they are not played toghether yet. There wan't be much chance on both side. I prefer Croatia to win, but with small margin: 1:0 or 2:0, even 0:0 is very possible. To be honest, Poland is not playing attractive football, they will be occupied on defense, counterattacks and free kicks, with tall strikers.
And third, this game both manager will use to try some tactical variants of play, and in second half with substitutes game will become very boring. I m sure in that and in UNDER.
My view is quite similar to the one above, except that about "tall strikers" (***379;urawski - 182 cm, Smolarek - 172 cm), under looks like a good choice. Especially if Prso won't play.
Poland is not ready for a WC yet, against Colombia they looked dead tired, disorganized and uncreative. The only thing that really bothers me is that both teams tend to concede goals from nothing (Poland vs Colombia, Croatia vs Iran), so we cannot exclude "2:2 after dull game" or similar scenario.
. Poland haven't got top class strikers and it will be relativly easy job to neutralise Poland attack.
and ... probably the only name u know is Zurawski ... good job , keep it real :lol:
boys!!this is a betting advice site!!(name)not supporters website crotia and poland...share your idea or shut up ok?? :evil:
ok, but u should keep the rules same for everyone :oops:
litmanen88
02-06-06, 23:57
What is the probable Polish team please?
ok, but u should keep the rules same for everyone
yeah my friend..rules for everyone i agree that :wink:
Don't see you @ Gooners no more Litmanen :wink:
Polish coach announced that he is still looking for an optimal formation and there will be some changes in the squad but in my opinion he doesn't have too many options left so a very similar squad is more than likely in the game versus Croatia. Nobody is injured.
For me it will be an open game with a considerable amount of scoring opportunities and I'll definitely opt for over 2,5 goals. Poland is playing much better if the team doesn't have to create everything from behind against a defensive minded team. So the game against Columbia really didn't surprise me and I think the same scenario against Ecuador in front of a "home" public where Poland will be bound to play the favourite role. Let's hope this will end more luckily for the team.
Anyway here we have a much different situation, two teams that are equal, at least on paper (and so do bookies assume), and this will suit Poland pretty much. It can concentrate on its main weapon which is counterattacks. Poland has been playing much better in away games or neutral venues than at home.
The only thing that concerns me is the form of the players and the scoring efficiency of Polish strikers but IMO croatia should score at least 2 (due to the fact that our defense is really struggling as usual) and Poland one or more. No bet on 1x2.
What is the probable Polish team please?
Todays press come with some surprising info. According to them, Janas will do some changes, and even change formation to 4-5-1. Basing on this newspaper lineup would look smth like that:
Kuszczak - Dudka, Bak, Jop, Zewlakow - Smolarek, Radomski, Szymkowiak, Sobolewski, Krzynowek - Zurawski
If that's going to be true I will propably won't go with over here. Or maybe under in that case? Don't have idea, propably I will wait for just before game to know true squads.
IMHO Fabianski should play atleast 1 half , Kuszczak too.
Boruc had a minor injury and will probably not risk to play.
This is how it should look like croatia line up (from newspapers):
----------------Pletikosa------------
-------Tomas------R.Kovac----------Simunic-----
--------------Vranjes---------Modric-----------
-------Srna--------Kranjcar-------------Babic-----
-----------Klasnic----------Olic-----------
I hope that instead of olic will play bosnjak(best scorer Leaugue) and
i am very happy for modric because he is very good player i a think
he wants to prove it to the coach.
Gl
with these fresh news about virus in Croatia I think it is definitly under and
0:0 is worth a shot. Nobody wont to lose now.
This is how it should look like croatia line up (from newspapers):
----------------Pletikosa------------
-------Tomas------R.Kovac----------Simunic-----
--------------Vranjes---------Modric-----------
-------Srna--------Kranjcar-------------Babic-----
-----------Klasnic----------Olic-----------
I hope that instead of olic will play bosnjak(best scorer Leaugue) and
i am very happy for modric because he is very good player i a think
he wants to prove it to the coach.
Gl
I think there is class diference between Olic and Bosnjak. Sure he can play in croatian league but for Croatia, i dont think so
Iceman_007
03-06-06, 09:45
Niko Kranjcar can only play in Croatian league- every year he tries to sell himself-noone wants him and plus the fact he HAS AN EU PASSPORT did not help him. I expect piggy never to play again for cro after his drunkard daddy gets sacked. Bosnjak on the other hand is top goalscorer in cro league and that should count for something while baby kranjcar plays for Hajduk which lagged 20 points behind Dinamo-Bosnjak´s club
litmanen88
03-06-06, 09:59
What is the probable Polish team please?
Todays press come with some surprising info. According to them, Janas will do some changes, and even change formation to 4-5-1. Basing on this newspaper lineup would look smth like that:
Kuszczak - Dudka, Bak, Jop, Zewlakow - Smolarek, Radomski, Szymkowiak, Sobolewski, Krzynowek - Zurawski
If that's going to be true I will propably won't go with over here. Or maybe under in that case? Don't have idea, propably I will wait for just before game to know true squads.
Cheers.
Niko Kranjcar can only play in Croatian league- every year he tries to sell himself-noone wants him and plus the fact he HAS AN EU PASSPORT did not help him. I expect piggy never to play again for cro after his drunkard daddy gets sacked. Bosnjak on the other hand is top goalscorer in cro league and that should count for something while baby kranjcar plays for Hajduk which lagged 20 points behind Dinamo-Bosnjak´s club
Yes i suppose that you are Dinamo fan. You folow every Kranj***269;ars step and wait for bad play that you may criticize. In the same time we have e.g. big Toki***263; mistake and nobody talking about that. If Kranj***269;ar do something like that i will just imagine what you should say.
And finaly Bošnjak dont play on Kranj***269;ar position. :roll:
Niko Kranjcar can only play in Croatian league- every year he tries to sell himself-noone wants him and plus the fact he HAS AN EU PASSPORT did not help him. I expect piggy never to play again for cro after his drunkard daddy gets sacked. Bosnjak on the other hand is top goalscorer in cro league and that should count for something while baby kranjcar plays for Hajduk which lagged 20 points behind Dinamo-Bosnjak´s club
I was talking about Olic and Bosnjak, not about Kranjcar. Kranjcar could be
top player, but he must think through about what is going in his head. Sure he has potencial but without hard work he wont achieve nothing. What kind of
is a midfield player who doesnt run more than 500 meters in a 90 minutes
with these fresh news about virus in Croatia I think it is definitly under and
0:0 is worth a shot. Nobody wont to lose now.
so because of Balaban (who's not in the first 11), Simic (also not in the first team) and Olic it will be "definitely under"? Your logic is faltered. If you're going to give arguments to take the UNDER then give them. But these aren't arguments.
Muuki wrote a good preview on the mainpage and I tend to agree with him. I won't repeat his words, feel free to read it on BA.com.
Before big competitions such as this one taking OVER bets might be a good idea, since the teams aren't that focused on defence, could be noticed in Croatia's match against Iran and Polish match v Columbia.
Joe Simunic is back in the team and Cico will try out some formations, not much time until WC.
3 units on the over.
Please don't insult others here. The first sentence was useless, so i had to delete it (Minov)
Yes Bosnjak scored 22 goals but in Croatian league, yes he is a good player but Ivica Olic and Bosko Balaban are one class above him and they gave so much for Croatian team that there is no question about that who should replace Prso in this game. And what about that piggy, drunkard ****!? Don't call other members idiots
Coach Kranjcar got through the qualifications for the wc without the single loss and that is what counts. Are you so mad because he didn`t invite Da Silva in the team for the wc or are you so mad because his son went to Split!? Who cares if he like`s to drink!? Croatia finally playes attacking football and victorys are that what count`s. Many of us think that Niko Kranjcar isn`t good enough for the role that his father gave him but that is his decision and we should trust him. Judge him after the wc not before.
I apologize to everybody in this forum about this post but cave-man`s like Iceman 007 shouldn`t be part of serious forums like this!
What is the probable Polish team please?
Todays press come with some surprising info. According to them, Janas will do some changes, and even change formation to 4-5-1. Basing on this newspaper lineup would look smth like that:
Kuszczak - Dudka, Bak, Jop, Zewlakow - Smolarek, Radomski, Szymkowiak, Sobolewski, Krzynowek - Zurawski
If that's going to be true I will propably won't go with over here. Or maybe under in that case? Don't have idea, propably I will wait for just before game to know true squads.
Oh no, If it is true, I will bet 9/10 on Croatia, and 6/10 on Over 2.5, this is sad.... :roll:
Poland probably will play 4-5-1 with two defensive players in the middle. Coach Janas want to prepare tactic against Germany.
I expect lots fight in the middle.
Over 49%, under 51% in my opinion.
Iceman_007
03-06-06, 12:25
You are very rude.
Please change your attitude, or i will have to delete all of your posts
(Minov)
I don't know what's all the fuss with Niko again. You still can't get over that he left Dinamo or what? Whiners!
Just look at the game Niko played for Croatia (look at the stats, please do) and tell me then if he doesn't deserve to be in the first 11. That's a fact my boy.
Niko definetely has huge potential, but he's gotta use it if he wants to play in a bigger club (he's got to run more and definetely be more in a contact with the ball).
About todays match, I really don't know, Croatia plays good outside of it's own country but then again 4 players got poinsed last night and it's only a friendly match so it's better just leave it alone and enjoy the game.
GL to everyone with out picks
Muuki 06-03 Croatia (0) AH Poland (0) H 1.65 7 /10 Interwetten
Out of 60 plus posts agree 100 % with this one. Anyone show the reason why this should not be sensible bet?
Ps:
Iceman is an arogant and agresive member, but personaly do not find nothing wrong about his opinion on family Kranjcar :?
Do not like Dinamo a bit but can not understand why is L. Modrich neglected and why the best forward Cro. has Da Silva stay home. He is Dinamo player !
IMO I noticed some ill feeling among the players against Iran. Wish the God we have some atmosphere we had in France between the players.
Saw the game Germany _Japan, and Gee, are we gona have problems with Japan. Mummys boy is in no way outrun them.
Hope did not ofend anyone. Was not intention. Shall not answer on abuses, so no need to try.
GL to all, I'll take Muukis bet with confidence !
Iceman_007
03-06-06, 12:59
Niko Kranjcar can only play in Croatian league- every year he tries to sell himself-noone wants him and plus the fact he HAS AN EU PASSPORT did not help him. FACT
his daddy is a drunkard
FACT
Bosnjak on the other hand is top goalscorer in cro league and that should count for something while baby kranjcar plays for Hajduk which lagged 20 points behind Dinamo-Bosnjak´s club
FACT
There is more- like the number of runs he makes or how many kms he runs throughout the match- number is pathetic for a professional footballer
I find it disgraceful that someone treats the national team as his own little private club.
Niko Kranjcar is very good player FACT :D !
Niko Kranjcar is very good player FACT :D !
Was good player. This year he did nothing, the only thing he did when
he scored goal against Bulgaria in Sofia. Last year when he transferd from Dinamo to Hajduk he had some good games but this year he
was emberassing and i hope when he leave hajduk and go to club where he will have to train and sweat he will became a very good player
because he is at the moment avrage player in croatian League
Any one has working Livestream ????
Well, Poland played against Colombia far beyond their skills and after the match they were put under a great criticism of Polish fans, journalists, etc. They are in a huge losing streak, excl. beating some underdogs and there is high time for them to cut it. l hope there's moment when they should begin to play with great dedication. Afaik Croatia prefers very offensive tactics and dominating in the midfield which suits Poland who are good at counterattack and that's their favourite way of play.
Poland's loss in Wolfsburg will be a catastrophe and Janas's team will try really hard to avoid it, l hope.
AH +0.25 was NoBet for me but now it's approaching +0.5 on PL so l gonna put some money on it.
According to latest news, Dado Prso recovered and will be ready for the match.
According to latest news, Dado Prso recovered and will be ready for the match.
Butina on goal and Prso not playing :roll: Olic in attack, and even Dario Simic starting the game.... :wink:
POLAND - Croatia 1:0 and I had easy money $$$$$$$$$ :wink: :D
Oh no, If it is true, I will bet 9/10 on Croatia, and 6/10 on Over 2.5, this is sad....
POLAND - Croatia 1:0 and I had easy money $$$$$$$$$ :wink: :D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
They are a joke, worse than I think they are. Big mouth of all Cro including me altho I played AH @level ball expecting a draw but we should be happy with a result. :cry:
Ps:
By the way anyone from Cro remembers Severina at EU song :D Anybody gave her a vote??? Why do we think at all we are good at anything :twisted:
Honestly, I expected a better performace from the Croatian team. Poland wasn't playing anything special but it seemed they wanted it more. It turned out once again that we are playing much better if we aren't supposed to build up everything from behind. Simply pressing and counting on the opponents' mistakes and counterattacks. This kind of play will be much more difficult to adopt versus more defensive minded team as Ecuador when Poland will be supposed to lead the play.
Anyway, players looked much better when it comes to speed and fitness. Let's hope for the best.
SportsClinic
03-06-06, 19:01
Sure Simic falls asleep, doesn't cover his man and there is the second and only chance Poland really had. Polands first string players all played almost all of 90min. against a very "B"team of Croatia. Srna Kranjcar leaving at half time for the B players. All Poland could do is score one goal? I was watching with my polish buddies the game at a Polski Sklep, and they didn't even know half Croatia's players didn't play. So good luck Poland and Croatia in the world cup.
with these fresh news about virus in Croatia I think it is definitly under and
0:0 is worth a shot. Nobody wont to lose now.
Your logic is faltered. [b]
3 units on the over.
FT 0:1
Edit: You're in violation of BA rules by coming in after the game and rubbing the result in other member's face. I will see to it that you get banned, as you're been nothing but useless and trouble since you registered. Satyr.
My prediction was "Croatia" and "over 2.5", and I actually placed a LOT of money on "Croatia scoring" (1.25).
It was amazing how good did our gameplay become after the substitutions were made. It's SO OBVIOUS that this team doesn't know each other. Because - Buljat, Modri***263; and Bošnjak were playing their own mini tactics (all players of Dinamo Zagreb) and keeping Poland in constant check, and higher classed players like Babi***263;, Klasni***263; and Srna just don't know HOW and WHEN to participate. Zlatko Kranj***269;ar didn't teach them. That's your answer on "why Klasni***263; can't score for the national team".
I expect nothing good from our team. Due to Brasil's approach, we honestly have (or have had) a chance to beat them in game 1, but not like this. No way.
As far as Poland is concerned, I'm amazed at their skill to use their body and strength to cover opponent. They're not too strong, but really are champions in this positional style of play and duels. They win duels with their positioning and approach alone. Not many teams will score against them, especially not the ones who don't use 4-4-2 like they do.
Croatia has high skill and some amazingly easy done (at least it looks so) combinations in offense, but overall we're tactically at the level of some minor league team. On the other hand, Poland is tactically VERY disciplined and they won't concede many goals on World Cup.
Without Pršo, Croatia is not at the A-level of international soccer.
At least we can win our money back by playing "under 2.5" on Poland's World Cup games.
No harm done, we win one day and lose another. Good luck!
Cafa I wouldn't be that harsh, and say I expect nothing from our boys at the WC. The thing is, these two games (Iran, Poland) were friendlies after all, and Cico surely did a great job when it mattered: In the qualifiers.
We, as a nation, are quite keen on sensationalistic, negative approach towards our national selection, some people are just waiting for the team to fail, so they can bash. For some sick reason they feel better that way. Maybe to cover for their personal failure, who knows?
Despite several problems our team has, I think coach Kranj***269;ar will have a 100% ready and fired up team for the WC. I think it's better for us to lose against Poland and draw against Iran than do the same against the Socceroos and Japan.
Of course, both teams we're facing in group stages (Brazil are in class of their own) will be tough to crack, but I trust our boys, and it's nothing irrational that I do. We won our qualifying group, in front of rather strong teams like Sweden, Bulgaria and even Hungary.
We've drawn Brazil and won against Argentina. So what, we played two mediocre/poor games in last 10 days, but our main test will be the WC.
Our biggest woe are the keepers I think. Who will start? Butina was shaky today, Plete has shown inconsistency and weak area control against Austria, Didulica? I'm still puzzled about coach Kranj***269;ar not inviting Galinovi***263; or Runje, not even to test them! For two years now!
Defense should be good, I have faith in recuperated Simunic, R.Kovac, Simic and Tudor as a DM.
Niko Kovac will do a lot of work in the middle, our wingers are good (Babic-Srna) it just remains to be seen if Niko Kranj***269;ar can take more responsibility as a playmaker instead of sitting around and waiting for 2,3 balls per half.
He needs to step up more, to move around more, his markers should be all over the place, instead of having him under control constantly.
Pršo's absence was rather noticable today, Bošnjak has shown squat (Buljat was actually solid btw), Oli***263; needs to insist on playing on the side, not so much dribbling into the area. His finish is abysmal. Klasni***263; WILL score on the WC I think, and several times. Srna played only 1st half today and when Cico took him out it was more for prevention than anything else. He's our best player, alongside Pršo.
We'll see if some of our subs can step up when needed, perhaps Balaban can do something. Also, Vranješ has dissapointed, I expected more from him, having played 29 matches for Werder Bremen this season.
I don't know what's all the fuss with Niko again. You still can't get over that he left Dinamo or what? Whiners!
Just look at the game Niko played for Croatia (look at the stats, please do) and tell me then if he doesn't deserve to be in the first 11. That's a fact my boy.
Niko definetely has huge potential, but he's gotta use it if he wants to play in a bigger club (he's got to run more and definetely be more in a contact with the ball).
About todays match, I really don't know, Croatia plays good outside of it's own country but then again 4 players got poinsed last night and it's only a friendly match so it's better just leave it alone and enjoy the game.
GL to everyone with out picks
I can't be quiet when I read biased posts like this one. Wishes and dreams.
Game against Austria:
Niko Kranj***269;ar: touched the ball 25 times in 90 minutes
Luka Modri***263;: touched the ball 115 times in (I think) 20-25 minutes
That's just for comparison, Niko Kranj***269;ar ran his usual mileage of 1000-1500 meters.
So just be quiet and look at the facts. Fat boy COULD be a good player, if he had the guts to run 5 kilometers every morning. In his current physical form, he's for indoor soccer only. Age 22! I can't respect a man like him. I honestly despise him for he has no honour, but he's not a good player regardless of his human values.
Anyway, as Zvonimir Boban said, only Ivan Leko is the only playmaker by description. Niko Kranj***269;ar is a forward player (same as Davor Vugrinec), and Luka Modri***263; is a midfielder.
You people who know nothing about soccer, whether you support Niko Kranj***269;ar or Luka Modri***263; or Ivan Bošnjak - there are other forums for low IQ discussions. For example, jutarnji.hr. Our national team is a matter of national pride, and if ANYONE puts personal interest in front of it (Vlatko Markovi***263;, Zlatko Kranj***269;ar, Zdravko Mami***263; & co.) he's in my eyes a national traitor. As long as you don't know how to recognize a traitor (doesn't matter is he on your side at the moment!!!), we'll get nowhere and people like them will always rule. Use your head. C*ck is to be used with girls.
Satyr, first of all - respect for your realistic view of things. It stands out among all these biased posts and "winners" :lol:
Second, I think Cico has lost his way and is not doing things as he should. This just isn't the same team that went through qualifying. At this level, and at this time, they should be performing much better and we should be able to see the first glimpse of our tactics and strategy. But, we don't.
I think the answer on "why did Vranješ play bad" is that up til now, he was just a "part of the team". Didn't play, didn't have responsibility. Cico's job should be to prepare all 23 players to be able to withstand the pressure and to take a responsible role, in sense with their abilities. But, they don't. Most of these players currently plays much worse for the national team than they do in their clubs. Why? "I don't change the starting 11".
I am trying to see all this in a realistic way, to be able to win some money at the World Cup. My heart was broken by Mirko Jozi***263; anyway (I was dead sick for 2 months).
Even Srna is not at his best. Tactics is ruining him, and the preparation phase did ruin him obviously as well. If you know that Croatian Soccer Federation decided to have a camp in one particular city ONLY to get some money from the hotel owner, then the story is well known. Money and personal interests uber alles.
Some people are ruining the potential of this team, and the only way for us to make a good World Cup is the heart of players and famous Croatian courage under fire. Nothing else...in the end we always fight alone and always fight an already lost war (but we win!!!). If a stranger isn't taking away our chances to win, then we do it alone by letting bastards among us to rule our lives.
So Poland screwed many coupons again, show me another so unpredictible team bettingwise :wink:
I have impression Croatia didn't show everything they are able to but it is their problem. As for Poland, they are on uptrend, I wrote in Colombia thread they were after hard training sessions, in today's match Poles looked fresher and the outcome is completely different. I think Poland's form will progress during the WC. Almost all players (maybe apart from Szymkowiak) played very solid match, I'm glad that Krzynowek fights again cause he's crucial for Polish team.
When it comes to predicted unders in Poland's games, I wouldn't be so sure. Why: because the tactic Poland played today was against big favourites like Germany, England etc. Against Costa Rica or Equador I do not see Poland playing like that. The most probable is 4-4-2 with attacking style. If you add unstable Polish defence- unders don't look so certain to me.
Satyr, first of all - respect for your realistic view of things. It stands out among all these biased posts and "winners" :lol:
Kudos to your posts as well. Looking forward to commenting the WC here on the forum with you and other connoseurs, people who will be unbiased when talking about football.
Second, I think Cico has lost his way and is not doing things as he should. This just isn't the same team that went through qualifying. At this level, and at this time, they should be performing much better and we should be able to see the first glimpse of our tactics and strategy. But, we don't.
Hmm. I just don't see our situation like that, and it's not because I don't WANT to see it that way. I just don't.
The thing is, not even Brazil are in top form right now. But you can't determine that right now, since they played only Luzern (won 8-0).
Germany were trailing to Japan 0-2 before getting back to the match with a late equalizer. The thing is, it's not that wise to be in great form several months before the WC starts, not even weeks. You have to time your form. Remember Greece before EC in Portugal? Check their preparatory results. I don't think they were impressive either. Ok, I'm not saying we could "pull a Greece" on the upcoming tournament, but I do think it's wise to enter the tournament fired up and motivated, rather than in great form.
Cico used these couple of matches to test some players, tactics, etc...
I think the answer on "why did Vranješ play bad" is that up til now, he was just a "part of the team". Didn't play, didn't have responsibility. Cico's job should be to prepare all 23 players to be able to withstand the pressure and to take a responsible role, in sense with their abilities. But, they don't. Most of these players currently plays much worse for the national team than they do in their clubs. Why? "I don't change the starting 11".
Well I wouldn't say that Cico is all that lost. If you think it over, you'll see that a couple of friendlies can't be compared to the qualifiers, which we absorbed succesfully, and the creme de la creme: The World Cup.
If we beat Japan and Australia, who will remember this discussion? That's why I think the only thing we should do is give Cico some time and space, to work in peace, instead of commenting every single move he made.
I am trying to see all this in a realistic way, to be able to win some money at the World Cup. My heart was broken by Mirko Jozi***263; anyway (I was dead sick for 2 months).
Mirko Jozi***263; and Cico Kranj***269;ar can't be compared. Cico has a vision, Jozi***263; wouldn't have a vision even if someone had given him a telescope.
Even Srna is not at his best. Tactics is ruining him, and the preparation phase did ruin him obviously as well. If you know that Croatian Soccer Federation decided to have a camp in one particular city ONLY to get some money from the hotel owner, then the story is well known. Money and personal interests uber alles.
Money and personal interests. Hm, I won't bother myself (and the others) with such things, and frankly, I don't care. I just want our team to perform at the WC.
Srna isn't in top form, but no team in the world are all fired up right now. They're empty, anxious for the tournament to start. You would probably be surprised and left with your mouth wide open if you watched Brazil NOW and Brazil in 2,3 weeks.
It's a normal preparatory process if you ask me. I'm not giving our boys any alibies, just the opposite. I DO EXPECT THEM to perform once the World Cup starts, so basically my expectations are bigger than yours, since you said that you don't think Cico will do the job.
Some people are ruining the potential of this team, and the only way for us to make a good World Cup is the heart of players and famous Croatian courage under fire. Nothing else...in the end we always fight alone and always fight an already lost war (but we win!!!). If a stranger isn't taking away our chances to win, then we do it alone by letting bastards among us to rule our lives.
Well said.
We, as a nation, are quite keen on sensationalistic, negative approach towards our national selection, some people are just waiting for the team to fail, so they can bash. For some sick reason they feel better that way. Maybe to cover for their personal failure, who knows?
Who cares for some individuals personal failure :twisted: Guess you have made it in life better than Mamic :D He would not even let them train on Dinamos ground. Same as everything its just sick.
Ps:
Out of 71 countrys testen for coruption was it not Croatia number 71 :idea:
As for love for my country I can tell you my number on PM to check with Z.Trusi***263; :wink:
Ps:
Diging our head into a sand like an ostrich kept us 73 years where we were.
So Poland screwed many coupons again, show me another so unpredictible team bettingwise :wink:
I don.t complain 2/3 on this match
cro to win, under, xHT :D
[quote=PrideGP].
Game against Austria:
Niko Kranj***269;ar: touched the ball 25 times in 90 minutes
Luka Modri***263;: touched the ball 115 times in (I think) 20-25 minutes
does anyone really think that this info could be right...
Yes kranj***269;ar did not touch the ball more than 30 times in the game but your second one about modri***263; I can only tell that you are talking stories for litlle children and i dont know did someone really bealive in this what xou wrote.Modri***263; is not from this space if that is truth.115 times touched the ball in 25 minutes :roll: :lol: :oops: do you count and time when he was pushing himself the ball in front while running or what....very objective post from you :oops:
LOL to you all .. DON'TEVER underestimate POLAND :twisted:
... becouse they are unexpected anyway
ps. it was just a friendly game 8)
As far as Poland is concerned, I'm amazed at their skill to use their body and strength to cover opponent. They're not too strong, but really are champions in this positional style of play and duels. They win duels with their positioning and approach alone. Not many teams will score against them, especially not the ones who don't use 4-4-2 like they do.
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we will see @ the w.c. :D
thorgallpl
04-06-06, 07:12
Sure Simic falls asleep, doesn't cover his man and there is the second and only chance Poland really had. Polands first string players all played almost all of 90min. against a very "B"team of Croatia. Srna Kranjcar leaving at half time for the B players. All Poland could do is score one goal? I was watching with my polish buddies the game at a Polski Sklep, and they didn't even know half Croatia's players didn't play. So good luck Poland and Croatia in the world cup.Poland made all six changes in the second half(starting with our core players 30 minutes before the final whistle) so please dont tell me Poland A couldnt outplay your very B team, it seems to me like an extremely lame excuse , mate.
Sure Simic falls asleep, doesn't cover his man and there is the second and only chance Poland really had. Polands first string players all played almost all of 90min. against a very "B"team of Croatia. Srna Kranjcar leaving at half time for the B players. All Poland could do is score one goal? I was watching with my polish buddies the game at a Polski Sklep, and they didn't even know half Croatia's players didn't play. So good luck Poland and Croatia in the world cup.
come on man, Croatia had good 100% chances ? when ?
chill out 8)
ok we won but it wasn't briliant play from Poland for sure both team had chances and we got lucky but Smolarek from header is a progres for sure :) apart from that we shoud have got a penalty after foul on Zurawski :D
ok we won but it wasn't briliant play from Poland for sure both team had chances and we got lucky but Smolarek from header is a progres for sure :)
exactly, game was however quite equal
pozdro
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Game against Austria:
Niko Kranj***269;ar: touched the ball 25 times in 90 minutes
Luka Modri***263;: touched the ball 115 times in (I think) 20-25 minutes
does anyone really think that this info could be right...
Yes kranj***269;ar did not touch the ball more than 30 times in the game but your second one about modri***263; I can only tell that you are talking stories for litlle children and i dont know did someone really bealive in this what xou wrote.Modri***263; is not from this space if that is truth.115 times touched the ball in 25 minutes :roll: :lol: :oops: do you count and time when he was pushing himself the ball in front while running or what....very objective post from you :oops:
I'm not the one who did the counting, my biased Dalmatian friend. :roll:
And, yes, the number represents the NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THE PLAYER TOUCHED THE BALL. That means, running with the ball too. What's not clear about that? Kranj***269;ar can run with the ball also. Or can he?
Diging our head into a sand like an ostrich kept us 73 years where we were.
For once I agree with you. Our ***** mentality is responsible for Austrians and Hungarians trying to steal our language, Paveli***263; selling our country to Germans and Italians, Yugoslavia being a bad thing for us, and European Union will be bad also. Just because of our approach to it. We'll lose again.
But remember one thing. During all those times, it wasn't Austrians, Hungarians, Germans, Italians, Serbs and Americans doing the biggest damage. It was Croatians who betrayed their country and cooperated with the enemy to rule the rest of Croatian people. And, it's a miracle to me that most of people who are "patriotic" support such traitors only because he wears a Croatian flag around his body. It was always like that.
When someone tells one country that their citizens can not be sent to International Court of Law, and in return he gets big money on some businesses and a political support, agrees to let foreign aeroplanes defend our sky, agrees to cancel the Anti-Air Defense (I'm in the AA unit...), I don't care what's his political statement or what's his color. He's a Croat, and he's a traitor.
I'm telling this to everyone so they can understand that Croatian national team is just 11 brave hearts on the field. "Big heads" are only making their chances smaller. Always. Every sport, every war, every situation.
So, don't just look at players' statistics, this is a game where men play, and where balls make a difference - so, expect Croatians to win when it's the hardest. If Brasil scores first, make no mistake about it - we will equalize the score. But, probably lose at the end. Mentality thing. If we go to knockout stage, don't hesitate to put money on Croatia against Czech Republic or Italy.
Sorry for slight off-topic, but I had to let this blood out, and I believe everyone will agree with me.
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Game against Austria:
Niko Kranj***269;ar: touched the ball 25 times in 90 minutes
Luka Modri***263;: touched the ball 115 times in (I think) 20-25 minutes
does anyone really think that this info could be right...
Yes kranj***269;ar did not touch the ball more than 30 times in the game but your second one about modri***263; I can only tell that you are talking stories for litlle children and i dont know did someone really bealive in this what xou wrote.Modri***263; is not from this space if that is truth.115 times touched the ball in 25 minutes :roll: :lol: :oops: do you count and time when he was pushing himself the ball in front while running or what....very objective post from you :oops:
I'm not the one who did the counting, my biased Dalmatian friend. :roll:
And, yes, the number represents the NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THE PLAYER TOUCHED THE BALL. That means, running with the ball too. What's not clear about that? Kranj***269;ar can run with the ball also. Or can he?
ok lets be logical...
Lets say that one touch with ball is cca 3 seconds (and that is minimum)...Then if modri***263; had 115 touche with ball it means 115*3 =345 seconds of ball control what means that he had ball control for about 5,75 minutes (cca 6 minutes)...You talk that he had ball control for 6 minutes in 25 minutes of game and that means that all other 21 player in the field had the ball in control for 19 minutes (and i didnt count the time when ball was out of the game)...it means that every single player had the average ball control cca less than 1 minute in his legs and modri***263; had the ball 6 minutes ...
and you say ti me that I am biased :oops:
my poant is not to argue with you but you are writing your picks on the main portal so you really should be more objective because lot of people are counting and taking your picks.
and i wrote only 3 seconds average in one ball control but if ke runs with ball it is much much more :wink:
edit: ok maybe i wrote 3 seconds and it is much but if he runs eith ball and xou count that 2 seconds minimum and again is that much much minutes of ball control (about 4 minutes)
You are not a sportsman? 1 second is A LOT. You can touch the ball 2 or 3 times in 1 second easily.
And, now you brought up the main difference between Modri***263; and Kranj***269;ar. Well, 4 minutes out of 25 is a lot, but I assure you that Modri***263; had the ball in his legs at least those 4 minutes!
How much did Kranj***269;ar have the ball in his legs? Less than 1 minute, for sure. Out of 90.
For your information, mathematician, 4 minutes should be the average for every player (90 minutes / 22 players).
What does the player do the rest 86 minutes, when he DOESN'T have the ball? Stands his ground? Or does he run and play by his movement?
Kranj***269;ar doesn't do that and never will. Those are basics of soccer.
i am not talking about kranjcar i am talking about your post which is not objective about modri***263; and he didnt touch ball 4 minutes in his legs,how stupid :roll: . i am not making comparation about that two players ...
and what does it mean that the player has the ball in control for 115 touche when he gave the ball about 15 times wrong (i am talking about the game vs Poland now).If you are objective as you wrote you would say also in your post that modri***263; was very bad (again i am talking about the game vs poland not austria).I want talk about kranjcar and his play in that game but some things now are more obvius to all nation in comparation about that two players. :wink:
btw i am not active sportsmen anymore but I play football 3 times a week so dont be so arrogant and dont think that you know all the best because you write your tips here.
and something else about sportsmen- split is known in world because of his sportsman and what about Zagreb...so your question you should ask yourself not me :wink:
btw. not to be some misunderstanding, i think that both ,Kranj***269;ar and Modri***263; can and should play together in firs 11, so you can see that i dont hate him because he is playing for dinamo zagreb :!: 8)
he is good player but dont write something which is not right and not objective...
thats all of me and sorry to moderators for off topic
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