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Tipster007

05-07-05, 15:23

I will post these sooner next time

Time @ Place - Horse

July 5 Today's record is 5-0

15:05 @ Newm - Sundrop WIN
15:40 @ Newm - Giganticus WIN
16:15 @ Newm - Tahrir WIN
16:30 @ Ponte - Egeria WIN
16:45 @ Newm - Sun and Showers WIN

LAY on these. They are all going to LOSE.

More to come if people wants it.
ALL FREE.
some feedback please.

Tipster007

05-07-05, 15:51

These horses cannot win. If they don't win the race. Guess who the winner is? YOU are.

here goes.

Time @ Venue - Horse

18:50 @ Wolv - Key Of Magic No Return
19:40 @ Uttox - Saif Sareea WIN
20:10 @ Uttox - Amadeus WIN
20:40 @ Uttox - Blue Yonder Cancelled bet

If you don't know how to lay, I will help you.

Ali

05-07-05, 18:10

some feedback please.

Please do also post the odds and stake, results as well as profits. There's no use in laying some nag at 1000:1 and the newbie user not knowing that one lost bet will cancel all 999 previous winners.

Tipster007

05-07-05, 18:20

I forgot to mention these ARE NOT COMBO BETS.

Place bets seperately for each race.

SO SORRY ABOUT THIS.

I only have time to post my picks as I don't have the odds and profits that can be won with each bet.

All info about odds, profits you can make from each bet is at betfair.

I can only copy and paste my picks and thats what they look like in my notepad.

All the numbers you want is at betfair, trust me on this.

jst

05-07-05, 18:29

interesting thread , when are you going to post your next picks

Tipster007

05-07-05, 18:30

I will be posting at least 5 picks per day in this folder everyday. When? It all depends on when I finish picking the picks I'm betting on.

Ali

05-07-05, 18:33

I know the numbers at betfair, but I don't know anything about horses nor your staking system. How do you decide on the amount of your bet? To make this thread trustworthy enough to follow, there must be some results: That includes odds and stakes.

jst

05-07-05, 18:41

(nothing..)

jst

05-07-05, 18:46

found the horse at 21:10 , you must be probably from england with this hour difference

jst

05-07-05, 18:49

19:40 @ Uttox - Saif Sareea 4 @ 9.8 (L 35.20)
20:10 @ Uttox - Amadeus 4 @ 7 (L 24)
20:40 @ Uttox - Blue Yonder 4 @ 17 (L 64)

Tipster007

05-07-05, 19:37

I really assumed only horse bettors come here.

Firstly, you must make sure that you place a LAY betting and not the BACK betting.

Then, you should choose an odd which will let someone bet it.
There will be odds that I recommned for tomorrow.

You can only win the lay betting when someone bets on your odds, which is marked as a matched betting, and the horse you choose does not win in the race. All unmatched odds will be cancelled when the race begins. So you wont lose your money if your bet is unmatched.

Hope it helps you a little bit. Good luck.

Very sorry for the inconvenience.

Tipster007

05-07-05, 19:42

Any winners in here?

Tipster007

05-07-05, 20:07

time@venue - horse-odds-steak

8:20 @ Wolv. - Tilt - 5.5 - 10

This one is a bit risky..but Spear is going to win this race.

Belfast

05-07-05, 20:10

I lay Amadeus at 4.00 so i guess i'm a winner... 8)

Tipster007

05-07-05, 20:14

Of course it's a win, he didn't win the race.

Not all odds will be matched so you can't just bet on anyone. I will be here posting horses that will be matched and be a winner.

Belfast

05-07-05, 20:22

Spear didn't win but Tilt didn't win either... nso it's 2/2 for me and 7/7 for you 8) . I won't take the next one, too risky for me to lay at such high odds.

Tipster007

06-07-05, 00:14

Wednesday June 6th

Time @ Venue - Horse / Odds ( steak is up to you )

13:20 @ Newm. - Desert Move / 5.00 WIN
finished 3rd

13:55 @ Newm. - Northern Empire /6.00 WIN
finished 2nd

14:30 @ Newm. - Very Wise / 7.00 WIN
finished 15th ( 11-2 favorite )

14:50 @ Ling. - Savannah Pride / 4.20 WIN
finished 3rd

15:50 @ Catt. - Toni Alcala / 5.00 WIN
finished 5th ( 9-2 favorite )

16:45 @ Newm. - Tony The Tap / 5.00 WIN
finished 2nd

18:10 @ Worc. - Screenplay / 4.05 WIN
finished 2nd ( 15-8 favorite )

Tipster007

06-07-05, 15:13

If anyone out there is following what I post here you should be winning some good change so far!! :)

ronaldo

06-07-05, 16:15

Unbelievable, nice work...I didn't have the guts to follow your picks, though :twisted:

Tipster007

06-07-05, 16:19

I always bet $4 on every race ( it's the minimum ) that lets me bet on more races. I never bet past the minimum allowed. Maybe this will help.

I'll post more for tonights races if I find some more good odds and races.

jst

06-07-05, 17:59

looking good tipster , any reason why you picked these horses ?

Tipster007

06-07-05, 18:12

Reason for picking they ocviously wont win. I believe anyone can pick the right horse if enough time is put into it. I just looks at how every horse on each race has been doing. If I can't see a clear winner for a race I don't bet on it. If there is a favorite or any horse with a good odds of winning according to the bookie's BUT I dont't think they can win - it's easy picking from there. With just time and attention to details a winning pick can be picked.

jst

06-07-05, 18:17

nice, Screenplay got in second

Tipster007

06-07-05, 18:20

Done for the day..more tomorrow

Reminder..if you would like free picks for a week just e-mail me..You will recieve more picks this way.

Tipster007

07-07-05, 00:47

July 7

13.55 @ Newm. - Sir Xaar / 2.00 WIN

14:15 @ Folk. - Heaven Can't Wait / 2.00 WIN

14:30 @ Newm. - Ballast / 2.00 WIN

14:50 @ Folk. - Powder Blue / 2.00 WIN

15:05 @ Newm. - Somnus / 2.00 WIN

19:30 @ Espm. - Ridgeboy / 2.00 N/A - there is no race at Epsom today

19.45 @ Donc. - Ludvico / 2.00 WIN

20:30 @ Espm. - Blythe Knight / 2.00 N/A - there is no race at Epsom today

21:00 @ Espm. - Pomfret Lad / 2.00 N/A - there is no race at Epsom today

21.15 @ Donc. - Snow Bunting / 2.00 WIN

07-07-05, 06:01

BA does not allow users to just post selections without backing them up with reasons behind their thoughts. Laying horses imo is exactly the same. Yes I know you expect them to lose, but you need to post the reasoning behind why you think they will lose.

Please take note of this as from now on, any list of selections without explanations, will be deleted.

CG.

Al Shaab IBB

07-07-05, 06:56

Chomik

07-07-05, 10:11

July 7

13.55 @ Newm. - Sir Xaar / 2.00

14:15 @ Folk. - Heaven Can't Wait / 2.00

14:30 @ Newm. - Ballast / 2.00

14:50 @ Folk. - Powder Blue / 2.00

15:05 @ Newm. - Somnus / 2.00

19:30 @ Espm. - Ridgeboy / 2.00

19.45 @ Donc. - Ludvico / 2.00

20:30 @ Espm. - Blythe Knight / 2.00

21:00 @ Espm. - Pomfret Lad / 2.00

21.15 @ Donc. - Snow Bunting / 2.00

Do You LAY winners or "to be placed"? :roll:

Tipster007

07-07-05, 15:17

you LAY
Place Lay bets for the horses I post.
That means they will lose...

You must alos fix the odds to what I also post.

Sorry mod...some explanations for tomorrows picks.

Hope this helps

07-07-05, 17:25

Mr Moderator

Have a look at other Horse Websides you will never see some on explaning why he picks Horse .
Why do you want him to do it here.
That was the second day and all Picks were right.
So why don´t you let him do is work the way he wants.

THANX

I couldnt care less about other sites. BettingAdvice.com requires reasons/explanations behind selections. If he doesn't post any explanataions, then his post will be deleted the same as any one else who does the same on here.

Imagine if everyone just posted 'X to win', the site would be a mess in less than 24 hours.

BA has rules, either he respects those rules, or he gets deleted.

CG

jst

07-07-05, 18:00

no races at epsom tonight

Tipster007

07-07-05, 19:21

Yeah...i was actually guessing that more races will be abandoned but I guessed wrong there.

jst

07-07-05, 19:49

Ludvico came in second

Tipster007

07-07-05, 19:49

How much have you won today?

Only one race to go..don't win it Snow Bunting!!

jst

07-07-05, 19:53

only layed Ludvico for 4 euro , couldnt lay the rest of the selections cause i am workin whole day :<

Tipster007

07-07-05, 19:55

Ah, it's all good. If you want more picks for free just e-mail me.
Have a good day.

07-07-05, 19:57

Tipster, its quite obvious that you are looking for people to mail you for tips as it says so in your signature, therefore there is no need to keep going on about them contacting you.

Also, please remember that from tomorrow, any selections without reasons behind your choice, will be deleted.

Tipster007

07-07-05, 19:59

Yes..Don't worry I will add descriptions..and thank you for having this forum for all of us.

jst

07-07-05, 21:22

nice one tipster , finishing the day in style with snow bunting coming in 3rd

Tipster007

07-07-05, 21:38

Indeed ... now I must work for tomorrow.

Talk to you then.

Tipster007

08-07-05, 04:35

For July 8

Time @ Venue - Horse / odds to bet at betfair - betting forecast at track

14:00 @ York - Melandre / 5.00 - 20/1
last ran on soft course and finished 9 out of 10 ( may 2004 )
Trainer AND jockey has no wins the last two weeks

14:15 @ Ling. - Chessee / 5.00 - 16/1
Jockey has one race at lingfield the las 30 days and finished 4th then.
Chessee has two career starts and finishing 7 out of 11 and 11 out of 13.

14:25 @ Wolv. - Lowicz / 5.00 - 25/1
No wins for Lowicz in 10 races. Going : Standard. Best finish at standard is 6th. No wins in 58 races for the trainer. Jockey won his last race ( with One Trick Pony at Catterick by 3/4 on a 5f race.

14:35 @ York - Shami / 5.00 - 33/1
One race this year and finished 10th - first race since 2003.

14:45 @ Ling. - Gortumbo / 3.40 - 13/2
One lifetime win ( May 2004 ) Finishes of 5th, 6th, 13th this year.
Jockey has no races at Lingfield in the last month.

have fun everybody.

08-07-05, 10:52

You'll be lucky to get the above at the prices you have mentioned.

darkside222

08-07-05, 11:20

Can someone explain why the odds look like this?

5.00 - 20/1

Is the one for placement and the other one for win?
And if yes, and he is laying the win...doesn't that mean that with a 20/1 win (or loss for him mainly...) he needs to have 21 straight succesfull lays to make profit?

darkside222

08-07-05, 11:29

For July 8

14:45 @ Ling. - Gortumbo / 3.40 - 13/2
One lifetime win ( May 2004 ) Finishes of 5th, 6th, 13th this year.
Jockey has no races at Lingfield in the last month.

have fun everybody.

So this means that you are laying at 3.40 right???

Look at the trade table at Betfair..for placement NOT FOR WIN!

Traded and Available
Odds To back To lay Traded
1.01 $160
1.78 $87
2.50 $33
2.58 $23
3.20 $48
3.35 $49
3.45 $24
3.70 $6
3.75 $20 $104
3.80 $14
3.85 $47
4.30 $12
4.40 $25
5.40 $9
6.20 $26
6.80 $3

Am I missing something here? Seems that all layers START from 4.30 and it goes up to 6.80....Who is going to match your petty money? :roll:

Belfast

08-07-05, 12:10

I think that 20/1 is the suggested price and 5.00 is the amount to lay...

darkside222

08-07-05, 12:20

I just noticed that he has explained it:

Odds to bet at betfair - Betting forecast at track

But what doesn't make sense is that this guy claims he is laying the win. So the odds that you can find at betfair are at least double from what he is suggesting....So nobody will match his bet mainly. CG is right on what he said....

08-07-05, 12:28

I think this thread is heading for the 'locked' section.

The problem with laying bets at Betfair is that the prices that you are looking to play at, are very unlikely to be available.

For example:- You've recommended a lay bet on Shami @ York at a price of 5.00..........looking at Betfair, the lowest available price to lay is 85.00 If Shami then fails to win, then no doubt you will be looking at claiming that this is yet another 'winner' from yourself.

Even though the selections that you are posting are not winning, and therefore you are correct, it looks to me as though 90% of the bets wouldn't have been available at the price that you are looking for. Therefore your record becomes very very unclear and is therefore misleading to the general user on here.

Id be willing to accept comments from anyone about this, but to me, this is one of those threads where your record will not be possible to prove without someone sitting with Betfair on all day to check out the prices that are actually available.

I feel that this thread is very misleading.

CG

Belfast

08-07-05, 12:40

He suggests to lay Shami at 33/1 not at 5.00 ! 5.00 is the suggested amount...

08-07-05, 12:45

He suggests to lay Shami at 33/1 not at 5.00 ! 5.00 is the suggested amount...

Read again, his post says 'odds to bet at betfair' which means he is looking to lay at 5.00

darkside222

08-07-05, 12:49

Yup
33/1 is the odds offered in the race track...
I agree with CG, this thread is very misleading. Plus if we suppose that he suggests the real odds at Betfair...and the odds for Shami are 85.00 and he lays that at 85, this means that he needs 86 consecutive correct lays to make some profit (even this is debatable because of the commission).....if Shami wins today.....

Belfast

08-07-05, 12:52

I think that he should answer that, but if CG is wright then i strongly suggest to lay Kenya to win the world cup at 5.00 !!!! :D :D

spyhunter

08-07-05, 13:43

yes Tipster 007, could you explain the odds for the race like SHAMI, now the odd is 90.00 to lay to SHAMI, for ex you lay 5dolars to SHAMI, and if SHAMI comes first you will pay 445 Dolars, does it sound good?
I think you can do better, you can lay the horses who's odds are between 10-15, it is more useful and profitable in long term.

Tipster007

08-07-05, 15:13

darkside222

08-07-05, 15:44

What puzzles me is that you are planning to charge for your picks...and this was a very amateurish mistake. Also this proves my suspicion too, that you are not laying those yourself (more like laying a fun 4€ in a single race and whatever happens...).

08-07-05, 16:21

Thanks for this...I read on the wrond side odds. Now I have to resend the picks..No problem, I can fix this really quick. I'm sorry about this I thought I was reading the lay odds. I was reading the back's money. GIve me time and the problem will be gone. Thanks for pointing my mistakes.

What you mean is that you are picking horses that will lose, but havent the foggiest idea of wether you could lay them at a price that will guarantee a success.

This thread has one final chance tomorrow before it is locked.

Tipster007

08-07-05, 17:36

Here's 3 picks for today...lock me if you really feel it fits you best.

18:45 @ Chep. - Cash On / 4.60 - 9/2 WIN
The favrorite at 9/2. A 6th place finish at Lingfield ( Good to Firm ) back in June 25.
Even Public Eye (11/2) races better at Good to Firm. Moonshine Bill
who has a better trainer and jockey will steal the race.

20:45 @ Chep. - Discuss / 3.05 - 2/1 WIN
This one is a 5 horse race. Discuss is a 2/1 favorite but by racing on Good to Frim he wont win.
The longest race for Discuss is 8f - this race is 1m 2f. Summitville has more experience
and it's trainer trained a winner in June 5th with a track similar to the one today.

21:15 @ Chep. - Feathergrass / 8.00 - 10/1 WIN
A 10/1 favorite at the track who is racing with at least 5 good horses.
Only have 3 races all year. Last race was a 6th place finish at Salisbury ( Good to Firm ).
He'll have to beat Let Slip, Della Salute and Madam Caversfield to win.

Tipster007

08-07-05, 19:18

The system only allows you to lay the lowest odd of the 3 listed odds at the lay section because it is the lowest odd acceptable by the backers currently.

If you think it is still high and want to set a lower odd, it will be placed at the back section waiting for someone to back it.

The system only allows someone to back the highest odd at the back section. So you have to set a reasonable odd which is acceptable by both the backers and you.

In short...no more adds recommended by me..I will be posting the horse and there odds at the track BUT NOT at betfair. Betfairs odds goes through changes and you bet might not be matched..so I suggest to wait until close to race time and find an odd that wont make you nervous when the race is going on.

Again, If I am allowed to post here - I will only post the Time, Venue, Horse, AND track odds ..no more odds to bet at by me. The odds will be decided by you.

Thanks

08-07-05, 19:20

Again, If I am allowed to post here - I will only post the Time, Venue, Horse, AND track odds ..no more odds to bet at by me. The odds will be decided by you.

Thanks

Sorry, but that is pointless.

Why post selections if readers can't figure out wether to lay them or not because you don't give them a price to lay at?

Sorry, but this thread WILL be locked tomorrow if this continues.

Tipster007

08-07-05, 19:31

It is not pointless...they can now bet at the odds they want..those who think my odds are too high can bet lower..

It's the same thing ..it's still lay betting.

I only took out the odds I recommended.

What is pointless about that?

So you want me to set an odd for everyone to bet at?
I think it's more helpful if they can bet at odds they want.
It's the same thing...I put the odds from the tracks so they can see what kind of favorites they are. They get the horse i recommend to Lay a bet at. But all I'm taking out are the odds..this is not pointless..i'm sure not everyone follows my odds but do follow my pick with there own odds. So what? Please tell me what you prefer. I 'm still going to explain my picks.

darkside222

08-07-05, 19:40

I suppose you recognize that by doing that you can have a 90+% winning rate but still someone that follows you might be on the red....right?
That's why CG wants everything in black and white. Especially since out of your words, you will offer tips for a week for free and then you will be charging for them. Also for that there are rules that I suggest you read them carefully before you post. (I had seen a post of yours in tips websites section of the forum that was braking about every rule in the house).

08-07-05, 19:43

Okay then, carry on posting your selections with explanations.

However, the odds of any selection are the most important consideration when laying horses and without giving a recommended odd to lay at, then none of your bets can be considered winners or losers. Therefore, claiming winners will be misleading and will result in the closure of this thread.

OK?

Tipster007

08-07-05, 19:45

Alright i'll read ALL of them then..Ok fine I'll post

Time @ Venue - Horse - Odds at betfair - track odds
and explanations.

Odds at betfair fluctuates..that's why I dont want to post them..I should have mentioned to bet at the lowest odd available..I made that mistake by not mentioning it earlier.

Anyways. have a good day.

08-07-05, 19:47

I suggest that you post the odds at Betfair which are the highest available which you will accept at the time of your posting.

Tipster007

08-07-05, 19:50

You mean lowest odds ....2.00 is lowest and 10.00 is highest??

I don't recommend laying $10 @ 10.00

but i will recommend laying $10 @ 2.00

So lowest odds from betfair?

08-07-05, 19:52

No, I mean highest.

If for example you have a horse that you are willing to lay up to 4.00 and yet it is available on Betfair for anything under 4.00, then you still post that the recommended odds are 4.00 That way anyone following your selections will understand that any price they can get under 4.00 is a better bet than you are hoping for.

Tipster007

08-07-05, 19:54

Alrighty then...talk to you tomorrow.

spyhunter

08-07-05, 20:17

I looked up this guys web site and now there is 3 LOST and these 3 LOSTS takes away all the profit, and now I lost money. here are the picks...

if you stake 10 units to each of them, you can not profit. 1 WIN is 10 units PROFIT, but 1 LOST is at about 40 units LOST, so 4 WIN is 1 LOST......

18:45 @ Chep. - Cash On / 4.60 - 9/2 WoN
19:00 @ Wexf. - Cash And Carry / 3.25 - 6/4 WON
19:30 @ Ches. - Lindberg / 5.40 - 6/1 WON
19:30 @ Wexf. - Tauranga / 3.55 - 3/1 LOST
19:45 @ Chep. - Viennas Boy / 7.40 - 16/1 WON
20:00 @ Ches. - Torrens / 5.10 / 7/1 LOST
20:15 @ Chep. - Moonlight Man / 3.90 / 5/1 LOST
20:45 @ Chep. - Discuss / 3.05 - 2/1 ???????? WON
20:50 @ Cork. - Carthalawn / 3.50 - 7/2 ??????? WON
21:15 @ Chep. - Feathergrass / 8.00 - 10/1 ?????

darkside222

08-07-05, 20:30

if you stake 10 units to each of them, you can not profit. 1 WIN is 10 units PROFIT, but 1 LOST is at about 40 units LOST, so 4 WIN is 1 LOST......

It is 40 units IF YOU ARE LUCKY!!!

Tipster007

08-07-05, 21:19

Today was not so good..sorry for your lost.

I'm now looking forward to tomorrow.

Al Shaab IBB

08-07-05, 21:53

Very bets I took only the last 3 so good day for me thanx for your picks.

Al Shaab IBB

09-07-05, 09:35

Tipster

Will you Post some Picks for today later ?

Thanks. :D

Tipster007

09-07-05, 15:44

20:25 @ Hami. - Jordans Elect------------] 5.00 11/2 WIN
An 11/2 favrotite at the track. He'll be going against 3/1 favorite
Wahoo Sam next to him. Jordans Elect starts at row One with Wahoo at two.
The last two races by Jordans jockey at Good to Firm have been two 5th place finishes.
Can get him at the highest price of 4.50 right now ( 15:44 Uk time ).

The 5 year old will have to bet two other 5 year old by the names
of Wahoo Sam and Regent Secret. Jordans bad draw is the cause of his loss.

His odds for Lay Bets are going up..now at 4.90 --- this is the reason why I should not post the odds..But I think I HAVE TO post them? I'm am stopping this thread here as of right now.

ADDED---
21:05 @ Sali. - Toffee Vodka-----------] 6.00 - 7/1 WIN
Racing against Abide will be a problem for the 7/1 favorite. In 5 races for Adibe - he has finished 1,3,3,2,2 all from june to april 2005. Toffee's last win came in aug 2004 and that's the only win for the horse who will race like he's on vodka.

I can live with posting two or three picks at a day like this? Or is it 'illegal'?

Tipster007

09-07-05, 15:48

I e-mailed you some picks for today. Did you not get them?

Tipster007

09-07-05, 16:14

Off to a good start with an 8-1 win-loss but stumbled into two losses in a row with track favorites Mullins Bay and Rezzago..so 8 wins and 3 losses..just not a good for me. Have a good one.

If you missed the part where i'm done posting here this one is not to miss. I can't post odds to bet at - they change all the time but I was asked to or I will be locked. I'm locking myself.

Thanks for the service BA - keep up the good work!

Tipster007

10-07-05, 12:42

Odds from 19:21 UK time

16:40 @ Hayd. - Let It Be ]5.80 - 9/2 LOSS
Last race at Haydock was a dissapointing 3rd place finish.
A. Culhane's ( jockey ) most recent trip at Haydock was
a 2nd place finish to go along with a 12th and 13th.
With Grenwich Meantime in the mix, it needs a perfect run
by Let It Be to win. All three start next to each other.
GM in the middle at 6 with Smart John to the left and
Let it Be on the right at 8.

17:20 @ Pert - Ground Breaker ]3.60 - 9/2 WIN
With no lifetime wins, this wont be a groundbreaker
for Ground Breaker. Constable Burton is in the pack and
a 2/1 favorite Rossclare. Those two have a better chance
of winning as both have been turining out better performances as of late.
A 1st win for Burton in this one. With Ground Breakers price still steady at 3.85.

Tipster007

10-07-05, 17:25

A losing day for those two picks...more picks than today for tomorrow.
Have a good one

Tipster007

11-07-05, 13:56

Odds from 14:02 UK time

20:35 @ Wind. - Go Green-----------] 5.30 - 4/1GO Green is a 4/1 Favorite in this race.
No wins at Windsor. JP Spencer is riding Go Green,
but JP managed to win none the last he paid a visit to Windsor.
In 5 races back in July 4 JP's best finish was 4th.
The last two races at Wind. for trainer PD Evans have been 2 8th place finishes.

20:45 @ Wolv. - Mistral Sky--------] 8.00 - 8/1
Mistral have been struglling since March. Kindlelight Debut is going to
be tough to beat ( 1st, 3rd, 2nd place finishes the last three races )
KD's last win was at Wolverhampton - July 5th the same length at 7f.
Last time Mistral raced at Wolverhampton it was a win.
Lately, it's been hell and KD wont be stopped.

Tipster007

11-07-05, 20:47

Two wins from here today!!..no more till tomorrow.

Tipster007

12-07-05, 13:31

17:00 @ Brig. - Willheconquertoo------] 3.95 - 9/2

17:00 @ Brig. - Hard To Catch---------] 9.20 - 6/1

17:00 @ Brig. - Inch By Inch----------] 7.00 - 11/2

Bet on all of these three horses..make sure to NOT make
it into a combo bet.

All three are the favorite headed by Willheconquertoo at 9/2.
Hard To Catch at 6/1, and Inch By Inch at 11/2.

as of 13:14 UK time - odds are 3.95, 7.00. 9.00..
The most you can win at those odds is 32.00 in profit
for 9.00 ( Inch by Inch ) that's also the most you
will pay for liability if Inch wins. As long as the
two lower odds eqaul to a higher number than the
3rd when added this is good. Doesn't matter who wins,
doesn't matter who looses. You will only make $3.00 if
Inch by Inch wins maybe $1.00 after commision but there
is no chance you have to pay $30 on liability.

Be sure the two lower odds equal to a higher number
than the 3rd.

One will win ( you lose one bet ) - you also win two bets.

darkside222

12-07-05, 14:04

Are these for laying now or what?

Tipster007

12-07-05, 14:40

Yes, all for LAY...the odds looked possible earlier today..
I don't know what it will end up to be at..i'm hoping the two lowest odds will still equal to a higher amount than the third..it's like the dutching system

Only for today..I want to see if the odds will make it work.

darkside222

12-07-05, 14:57

Well, correct me if I am wrong but if one horse wins, then you are minimum 2 units loss if you stake 1 unit in each horse. Right?

Tipster007

12-07-05, 15:05

With lay bet you lose if a horse wins...

Dont combo bets..bet separately.

So if you bet on three horses, and one wins. You lose one bet. You win the other two because you LAY bet on them.

IF you BACK the three horses then you lose two bets if one wins and lose all if none wins.

WITH LAY you win two if one wins. win all if none wins...

easy?? These are hard to matched. but it's possible.

odds must be in place...2-3-4
at odds of 2.00 & 3.00 & 4.00 this can be done.
The lowest odds ( 2.00 & 3.00 ) must equal to a higher number than the highest ( 4.00 ) - obviously 2+3 = 5 ..that's higher than 4..

It can be 3 ,5,7 ...4,5, 8 etc...

add the two low odds- if it's higher than the third you are in the right way.

It's not for back bets...it's FOR LAY bets..I hope this helps

darkside222

12-07-05, 15:11

I know how to lay....but you haven't answered my question...if one horse of those today wins you have a loss...if you lay each horse 10€ and one wins...worse case scenario is that you have lost 20e...do you agree with me?
I am talking about TODAY'S LAYS....

Tipster007

12-07-05, 15:12

Oh yes !! eh heh eh heh :D that is the worst case that can happen..but be sure the 2-3-4 is there..

Tipster007

12-07-05, 15:12

had a race at 2:45 where none of three horse won..it was awesome !!

Tipster007

12-07-05, 15:44

You might lose more than 20 in the odd for the lost is greater than 2.00 but it will be even out with the two wins and you get a small profit.

Tipster007

12-07-05, 15:59

darkside222

12-07-05, 16:08

17:00 @ Brig. - Willheconquertoo------] 3.95 - 9/2

17:00 @ Brig. - Inch By Inch----------] 6.60 - 11/2

17:00 @ Brig. - Summer Reluse-------] 7.60 - 10/1

Man, you have either never bet in your life or you are just plain s......d

Let's suppose that I lay 10e on each bet...And Willheconquertoo wins...
Then my liability is 29.5e correct?
And I get back 20e from the other bets in total...(I don't calculate the commission AT LL).
HOW ON EARTH DO YOU MAKE PROFIT????

P.S 3,95 on a 9/2 odd???Are you joking? 9/2 is 5.50 odds. Who will match it on 3,95???

Tipster007

12-07-05, 16:26

God, you're the one who doest know anything..

the 9/2 is the bettinf forecast at the tracks not the odds from betfair.

Check for yourself and see if anyone has 3.95 matched.

darkside222

12-07-05, 16:32

With the scenario that I said...DO YOU MAKE PROFIT OR NOT?
That's only what I want to know...

Tipster007

12-07-05, 16:44

Yes,

there are three ods for the three horses.

Add the two lower odds and if its higher than the last odd you can make a profit.

odds 3.9 , 6.2, and 8.6 right now..

add 3.9 and 6.2 you get 10.1

if the 8.6( summer reluse) wins the race you pay that liability and you win the two other bets at odds 3.9 and 6.2 a total of 10.1 - you pay the liability with the profit you made from the other two bets.

am i making sense here?

add the two low odds togetther and if the two low odds are higher than the high odds you can make a profit.

You can only lose one bet at the most. you can win two bets at the least.

Am i making sense again?

I'm sorry if I'm confusing you''im trying to have you understand

darkside222

12-07-05, 16:46

Have you ever Layed in your life???

Tipster007

12-07-05, 16:47

Yea, why?

darkside222

12-07-05, 16:57

I don't know why I am doing this because you are obviously a very inexperienced punter but anyway....

So what you are actually saying in here is that if you LAY a horse at odds of 8,00 for 10€ and the horse doesn't win...you get back 80e right???
BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR ANSWER!

Tipster007

12-07-05, 16:58

I know you didn't bet but if you did good job...Inch By Inch won the race...

tell me this..did i win?? or did i lose??
can you answer this for me?

Tipster007

12-07-05, 16:59

whatever being calle a shi* *ead is enough for me..thanks for all your time..I'll leave this place with 3 lay wins in one race.

good luck to yourself,

don't be great; do great things

darkside222

12-07-05, 17:08

You tell me. Did you win or not? It was you that layed the bets anyway NOT ME!!! :lol: :lol:

Oh by the way....you didn't answer my previous question....and i would love to learn your answer....

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:10

Yes, it was a win.

Brighton 5.00 Full Result

1st 3 Inch By Inch 5-1
2nd 8 Summer Recluse (USA) 11-2
3rd 7 Imperium 15-2

None of my horses finshed 1st.

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:10

No you don't win 80 e

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:11

yes, you win 80 e

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:11

don't question my authority and put me in a box

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:12

you seem like you know if you win 80 e or not..you're the 'experienced' 'punter' you know better...i thought you were proffesionals but you're nothing.

darkside222

12-07-05, 17:14

17:00 @ Brig. - Willheconquertoo------] 3.95 - 9/2

17:00 @ Brig. - Inch By Inch----------] 6.60 - 11/2

17:00 @ Brig. - Summer Reluse-------] 7.60 - 10/1

I've taken out Hard To Catch and put Summer Reluse in.
I hope this doesn't cause any problems.

It doesn't look like Hard To Catch is matchable.

Yes, it was a win.

Brighton 5.00 Full Result

1st 3 Inch By Inch 5-1
2nd 8 Summer Recluse (USA) 11-2
3rd 7 Imperium 15-2

None of my horses finshed 1st.

Are you SURE?????

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

darkside222

12-07-05, 17:16

No you don't win 80 e

yes, you win 80 e

If I didn't know better...I would say you have some double personality....

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:16

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:17

i guess i won 2 out of 3

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:17

it was a joke..sarcasm???? come on you knew that? right?

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:18

can you just ban me from here or shut this forum down? I'm not posting any more picks here.

darkside222

12-07-05, 17:21

Look....my advice to you is to be more careful...you didn't win...
Actually you lost and you lost badly as well...
When Laying 10€ on an outcome with odds 5.00 for example...
Your liability (if this horse wins...) is 40€. If the horse doesn't win then you win 10€. These are amounts without calculating the commission.

In your case today, if I had layed all 3 horses that you offered and had staked 10€ on each, right now I would be losing 36€ in total.

Obviously you have never layed in your life and it is not bad to claim it. What is bad and unacceptable for this forum is that you ask for money for your picks without having the foggiest what LAY is and how it works....

Tipster007

12-07-05, 17:26

Yeah, I knew that...I was experimenting today..So results show this is a bad idea.

darkside222

12-07-05, 17:55

You can make it profitable but there are certian rules that you have to follow.
Odds not higher than 4.00 or 5.00
Only 1 horse from 1 race and a lot of reading....
Maybe this can trigger your interest into creating a strategy that you are more than welcome to post at BettingAdvice?

Tipster007

12-07-05, 18:00

Umm..i have the strategy of 1 horse per race already..i average about 4 losses out of 20 picks..not to great cause of the liability..today was something i was shown last night.yeah, it doesn't work...thanks for your time.

darkside222

12-07-05, 18:03

the problem is that when your laying losses are 4 out of 20 means nothing...Depending on the odds 4/20 can be profitable or can lead you to great losses...
Maybe a strategy of laying the hot favourite would suit you?
But be VERY careful with the odds!

Tipster007

12-07-05, 18:07

thanks again for your thoughts

jst

12-07-05, 18:08

darkside222

12-07-05, 18:14

I know... :lol:

13-07-05, 00:05

Numerous errors have appeared over the few days that you have been posting in this thread. Errors which are costly, stupid and which appear to me (and other members), that you still havent a solid idea about how to do what you are aiming at.

Therefore to save further embarrassment to yourself and to save members money from following your 'experimenting' (your words, not mine), then this thread is now locked.

Please feel free to come back and start posting again when you have decided how you are going to try to make your 'lays' profitable. However, I do feel that after the errors you have made, that you need to study a lot more before posting again.