View Full Version : Exclude the dutch teams from the UEFA competition ?
Maple Leafs
25-02-05, 15:23
I remember the time when UEFA had exclude the english teams for several years cause of the implication of the british hooligans on many European grounds.
During the UEFA cup, there were many incident at Feyenoord (crowd have thrown many objects on the ground, got racist songs, Ajax do the same thing at Auxerre, broken some seats and proove the bloody of a part guys who says they support their team !
I will agree for suspend booth teams who do nothing to stop these free acts of violence (it is more a problem of state). Ajax supporter forgot certainly that in their team they are some black guys. Dutch country accept free drug as canabis, but have still problem with their old colonies.
Peace and freedom must be on each stadium. And respect their opponents is the first step to proove a sort of intelligency.
I wait your opinion :roll:
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Brother cool out. These things happening all the time in europe.You are from PARIS ,do you want to remind you the incidents from PSG-GALATASARAI few years ago? Is this a reason for excluding all french teams? also MARSEILLE last year went to milano and made incidents against INTER. so the best thing is to ban their teams for allowing the teams having these hools.
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In my opinion, you can only exclude teams if they aren't making attempts to remove these fans from the grounds.
We have had hooligans over here for years, just like the Dutch. But from personal experience through Leeds, I know that around 80-85% of trouble caused by people at Leeds games used to be caused by a certain hardcore group of people and it WAS pre-arranged. This group of people in the west/south yorkshire area, who were not football fans, but were regularly going to games on a weekend just to cause trouble. Sometimes it would be Leeds, sometimes one of the two Sheffield clubs, but the main point is that they were hooligans, not football fans.
Leeds had, and still does to a certain degree, have a problem with racism. Even with players like Terry Connor and Chris Fairclough etc. playing for us, you still got the racist/monkey chants and regularly ended up with bananas been thrown on the pitch. This hasn't completely been wiped out (chants/nazi salutes), but its getting there and the reason for this is down to the stewards. If the club doesnt teach their stewards to eject people shouting racist comments or throwing things, then its not possible for the police to do it all.
And respect their opponents is the first step to proove a sort of intelligency.
Please tell this to the Sporting players as well. Raising your middle finger when you've just scored 0-1 and are celebrating in a corner very near to the Feyenoord fans isn't that smart, is it?
i am curious maple leafes have u ever gone to a pari game to see who your fans really are?
as for yesterday's game, nothing out of the ordinary happened. just the portugese knew how to make the most of it. its a shame really that feyenoord wont meet boro in the next stage. would have been an interesting meeting between the two groups. SCF/FIIR against one of the few british firms left would have been interesting.
Teams are not responsible for the fans they have.
Ban fans from stadium is more adequate. For instance, my team, Benfica, has terrible fans, that donīt support the team unless they are winning 3-0. In fact, they start their boos the minute the GK goes for his warm up. If possible, I'm sure wouldnīt hesitate on selling them to a different country or team, and rightly so, because they are not supporters (they donīt support the team).
Itīs bad enough for such a big club to have to take this sort of guys as fans, it would be terrible if thay had to pay directly for their misbehaving.
Teams are not responsible for the fans they have.
When they are in the ground, teams are responsible in the eyes of UEFA/FIFA.
When they are in the ground, teams are responsible in the eyes of UEFA/FIFA.
Yes I know that. But itīs completely stupid.
Teams should commit to whatever security measures are regulated, teams should not make passionate reactions (like Chelsea is doing after the game against Barcelona) that may trigger unwanted behaviour from fans, I agree with all that. That should be punished, ideally banned.
But they canīt be taken into account, provided that all these measures were taken, for all the morons, dickheads, racist, violent or antisocial guys that chose to support them. And we all know how stupid can be the behaviour of masses. Thatīs not team business, even if UEFA says so. They are wrong in so many things, itīs just one more.
It is teams thing.
You buy cameras
You find troublemakers.
You dont let them go to match ever again.
So simple.
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Common, blame "the Dutch" because 1 or 2 idiots threw some fireworks on the pitch? Sure this does not belong in a football stadium (doesn't belong anywere btw), but the only punishment should hurt Feyenoord (or better: those guys who caused this), and not Dutch football in particular.
Hurt the minority who's responsible for this, but do not blame the majority who has nothing to do with it.
ROFL at the generalizations and biased view regarding to Holland of the topic starter, I'm surprised you know English as a Frenchman :wink: (the same kind of generalizing). I do agree to a certain level with him. They behaved indeed scandalous and yes they (Feyenoord and Ajax) shoulf be punished, and yes there are some morons in who are calling their self supporters, and they SHOULD GET lifetime bans...
IMO the Ajax supporters werent using racism at all. Indeed they mistreated Kalou, but defenitely not because he's black. He played for the biggest rival of them and is an arrogant twat. And in their eyes he should have got a red card in the first minute for kicking Obodai iirc (that was my opinion aswell, but of course I'm slightly biased :wink: ). That were the reasons he was being booed, not because he's black. When van Nistelrooy will play against Ajax he will get some abuse aswell, not because he's white but because he was the key player of one of their rivals (YES the abuse was out of proportion, and I'm ashamed for being an Ajax supporter when I see this morons throwing and destroying things that dont belong to them..). There wasnt any kind of racism in the Feyenoord match, but what happened there was scandalous. If you'd like to see what racism is, you should have watched Red Star Belgrade-PSV or all European games of Ferencvaros (sorry to generalizing the good supporters of these sides, but THERE racism is a problem).
Why should other clubs suffer for the behaviour of Ajax and Feyenoord, Heerenveens crowd was great, friendly and very respectful towards other sides, same for PSV (bit a boring crowd, but no problems there). Utrecht Ajax and Feyenoord they have the "worst" crowd and they should be punished because of their acts. And if you punish Dutch football in general it would be an act of discrimination. Because the UEFA should've punished the Italian sides because of the Frisk incident, they should've banned Spain because of Racism and the Riazor incident. In Turkey an English fan got killed, so they should've been banned. In Germany because of the scandals regarding to fixed matches, also banned. Do you get my point?
There are morons everywhere, dont punish the football in a whole punish those people who call their selves "supporters" and maybe the club, but not a whole nation. It'd be a boring European campaign if they do that in the future :wink:
In France they aren't racist banners in the stadiums !
They is no hooligans in, France, only poor guys lost who try to find an issue to the poor life as in many countries. :roll:
You must be joking man. PSG hooligans have one of the most dangerous 'mobs' in whole Europe and you say that they are not hooligans? Also there are still a lot of far right people active between Paris lads (even it's not as hot as it was when BOULOGNE BOYS were at the top).
In general I don't see punishing of clubs as good way to solve football violence. There was a lot of made already to force out riots from the stands but in the streets it's still a problem. Would you punish Feyenoord after rampage in the city of Basel before few months? What can football club do with this?
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