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OK , maybe not touched the bottom , but with this way of "acting" BA will degrade a lot .
Tomor is deleted from database in tennis tipsters section .... I have one suggestion .... if f.ex. George Hanson doesn`t improve his balance .. then he can use a new name like - Hanson George :twisted: and start all over again ..meantime he can be quiet about it like nothing happened and when someone asks simple question like "What the f**k were you thinking , man :?:" ..or "Why you cheated :?: " .... then Hanson George , or George Hanson can give absolutelly ridiculous answer like Tomor or Bona Fidea gave to me .... Lyd was right it is something totally suspicious ... but I thought that Tomor and Bona Fidea balance would be calculated together so I decided to shut up .
This way of acting I haven`t seen in most unprofessional betting sites .
I know I`m only bragging here last couple of months , but this time I know I`m right and that this big mistake must be corrected . If not , I`m sure that some other tipsters who don`t start well - will do the same thing.
This is my last apel for BA community to get things done here - not only to amuse themselves with "ask a stupid question , give a stupid answer ..it doesn`t have anything with betting ... but who cares we have fun while others are cheating in front of users eyes" topics .
PS I know it`s a hell of a job to retrieve and calculate this balance but the one who did this mess should clean it .
Koffieboer
27-09-04, 22:23
Look, you can't expect the admin to do a thorough investigation of who is behind a new tipster. Some are given a try based on some example predictions. In this case the old account was removed because it was inactive for a long time, I think. That happens on Internet, so people suddenly disappear, and their accounts can't be online forever. The admin was unaware that it was the same person. Maybe the real reason to change the identity wasn't to reset the record. I don't know what the record was, but probably in profit. I agree that it's not the nicest thing to do, to reset ID, but it happens more often (I can see it through IP's).
George_Hanson
28-09-04, 06:20
Ikarus, I hope that you used my nick only for exemple........
I'm George Hanson, Hanson George, George, Hanson, GeorgeHanson, George_Hanson, GH, you can even call me Samantha if you want. But I haven't changed my nick since I'm here on BA.
Ikarus, I hope that you used my nick only for exemple........
Of course I used your nick for example ... because you were first to see on that page :D
I agree that it's not the nicest thing to do, to reset ID, but it happens more often (I can see it through IP's).
8O
That's really poor IMO. At least it should be clearly announced to all users of BettingAdvice to make things clear. Such behaviour is sinking credit of BettingAdvice...
Koffieboer
28-09-04, 11:28
What is poor? That there are people who open a new forum account if the old one has an undesired reputation, or that moderators don't mention that new, decent users have the same IP as some old forum user? I'm only looking at abuse. I can understand if people want to get rid of prejudiced negative comments if that bothers them and they have stepped up in professionalism. It doesn't show signs of a strong mentality, because if you're going good work, you shouldn't be bothered by negative comments after a loss.
This doesn't happen on a big scale. Just once in a while. It's not the same as people who open a new account to suddenly spam the forum with their ne wpaysite.
But I agree in this case, that the admin should have been informed, instead of pretending to be a new tipster wanting a spot and hoping that nobody would find out (which took some time).
But I agree in this case, that the admin should have been informed, instead of pretending to be a new tipster wanting a spot and hoping that nobody would find out (which took some time).
Agree...anyway, how come that Ikarus spotted this first (or not?)...
BTW, it was really strange how Tomor was the most active moderator one month (when he fought for 1st place in POD), and than dissapeared the next... And I see no reason of changing identity, he was doing just fine... :?
I totally agree with Prague. Changing nick becouse of some reason is cheating, no matter why it was changed... Theese things should be posted somewhere to avoid cheating...
Is it possible to block creating another username from the same IP address from which was already registered a username?
If that is posiblle I don't see any problems in the future. Maybe with creating username from an exsisting IP address should be automaticly reported to a site admin.....
Maybe there are some exceptions with strong arguments to change a username
What is poor? That there are people who open a new forum account if the old one has an undesired reputation, or that moderators don't mention that new, decent users have the same IP as some old forum user?
What I mean as main problem is changing of identity at BA main page and it's just rare I hope. I (of course) don't pay attention if someone change his nick after twenty (unuseful) posts.
Is it possible to block creating another username from the same IP address from which was already registered a username?
I don't think that it's best idea. At first it doesn't mean always that same IP is similar person too. In addition I took advantage of possibility to create more accounts and I have two in fact - I blocked this way nick that I used at Czech betting Forum few years ago to be sure that there will be no misunderstanding if someone would choose the same one (of course this username have no posts at all, I have it just from safety reasons).
Pehaps my opinion will be shocking for some of you, but...
It's up to certain person to decide if he wants new nickname and account. If he is so ashamed of what he wrote before, it's up to him. It's not a matter of honesty - it's a matter of pride and courage. I'm not and I never was ashamed of my words and/or picks.
Like I wrote - it's personal decision of a person here. But now he shouldn't confirm that he is other dude. If yuo lie once - you gotta go Nixon "deny, deny, deny".
Well, I am disgusted about whole situation. Nothing much to add.
Bona Fidea
28-09-04, 13:30
This topic is about me, so let me react...
2. If Tomor is not your twin brother , sister ..member of family ..girlfriend , bofriend .... who use same IP address as yours ... then I must say you cheated ....
I have already written in this topic (http://forum.bettingadvice.com/viewtopic.php?t=22533) about it. Yes, Iīm the same person as Tomor and Iīve explained my reason for changing nick in that topic too. So you can read it there.
...can give absolutelly ridiculous answer like Tomor or Bona Fidea gave to me .... Lyd was right it is something totally suspicious ...
So itīs clear that you arenīt satisfied with my answer, but thereīs nothing I can add - sometimes the truth is more suspicious then lies.
Maybe the real reason to change the identity wasn't to reset the record. I don't know what the record was, but probably in profit.
Yes, the real reason to change my nick wasnīt to reset record at all although probably noone will trust me. But I have to correct you Koffieboer - I wasnīt in profit, my loss was less than 7 units... Do you think, that Iīd risk this all for 7 units - only my Spain to win Davis Cup pick would bring me more units! And you all know that I was moderator in POTD thread, so I know that itīs very, really very easy to check my IP adrress.
And now a few words about my previous work as POTD moderator...
I noticed the same ip long ago, even before "Bona Fidea" joined the forum. At the time, we had "two persons" from same ip address - Tomor and nathaniel. Nathaniel had only a few post, in couple of months starting in POTD competition, then quiting after few bad picks there. And in that time Tomor was a moderator (and very enthusiastic) in POTD (and still is a mod :? ).
If I remember well, Tomor had one great month in POTD. He was on the top, so he updated results each night by himself. That brought him a moderator "title". Next month he had bad score in POTD and he quietly left the competition - both moderating and competing (with explanation he does not have the time) - and a forum.
And what about "nathaniel"? You know that competing with two different nicknames is against the rules?
Nathaniel is one of my best friends and the fact is that I have shown him this forum - itīs different person, but of course I can hardly prove it. Maybe you can see his post and make your own opinion.
I have found a few interesting threads a posts that could convince you that Iīm not Nathaniel:
1) http://forum.bettingadvice.com/viewtopic.php?t=19613&highlight=
Here I opened POTD thread, because Nathaniel asked me for it - he didnīt know how to copy sponsorīs banner. I bet my pride that both IP adrresses are different here! And time difference between both posts is 2 minutes.
2) http://forum.bettingadvice.com/viewtopic.php?t=16679&highlight=
See Nathanielīs notice in his post in this thread - "don't laugh too loud tomor". Maybe Iīve plan to cheat already that time... :wink:
...anyway, how come that Ikarus spotted this first (or not?)...
BTW, it was really strange how Tomor was the most active moderator one month (when he fought for 1st place in POD), and than dissapeared the next... And I see no reason of changing identity, he was doing just fine... :?
Yes, I was very active that time - it was really nice to see my name on 1st place, but if you want that Iīve cheated so see that time topics and posts... I ended my work in POTD, because I havenīt time that time and almost havenīt post at all.
Agree with you that there was no reason to change identity - I always tried my best here (although the fact is that my predictions in past werenīt so good as now) and never have offended anyone.
Now a bit off-topic. Donīt know how could IKARUS check my IP adrress if he isnīt moderator. Maybe one of mods had problem with it too but didnīt want to write it... who knows. :?
What is poor? That there are people who open a new forum account if the old one has an undesired reputation...
Have I bad reputation here?
And now a few words about the fact that IKARUS called me cheater (probably AndreAlemao could write something in this topic too, he was called so too and knows my feeling). You think that I have changed my nick because of 7 units loss and probably you think that points are the most important thing here.
So how have I cheated here:
1) I write quite long predictions, always try to find and write all facts, H2H, tournament name, surface, previous results.
Why donīt I write only short predictions without facts? :?
2) I try to be very selective with my bets and often put only a few prediction per week.
I could post a lot of picks here and maybe some of them will win... donīt you think? :?
3) I only rarely make high stake bets and my average stake here is about 5.5 units.
I could take maximum stake very often in order to make big profit, donīt you think? :?
4) I use only 8 biggest bookies in my predictions, instead of tens of less known bookies with better odds. Iīm sure that itīd bring me much more than 7 units if I use all bookies. :?
5) Iīve corrected Terjeīs mistake in one of my predictionīs result a few weeks ago - he counted my pick as void, but it was lost. Why have I do it? :?
Maybe some of you can add something to this list...
The only bad think I have done here was that I havenīt told here that I was formerly known as Tomor here, but I have post my reasons for some mods. Itīll probably look funny for you, but I havenīt expected that it could be such a problem - I could easily ask Terje for deleting my account, that time coudnīt I? And nobody would know it...
But as I said I have never problem with anyone here and havenīt expected that this could be so big problem and that Iīll be called cheater because of it.
Itīs hard to read these lines for me and to say that nobody trust me and all people say - cheater, cheater, cheater!!!
I have spent a lot of yours by finding good bets and writing predictions in last weeks (the same do Lakini, Arbiter, Mistro and others...) and this is reward.
OK , maybe not touched the bottom , but with this way of "acting" BA will degrade a lot .
This way of acting I haven`t seen in most unprofessional betting sites.
Everything above was about me and my person - I could accept it although itīs really hard for me.
But I donīt want Bettingadvice to loss itīs reputation because of me and Iīm ready to leave if Terje decide.
Best Regards,
Bona Fidea
George_Hanson
28-09-04, 13:53
Argghh, you should be hung on the rope Bona Fidea. I believed you and you are such a cheater. I won't take any of your picks no more. Man, you ruined my life..... You were my hero and now you are a fallen angel.
:D :D :D :D
Just kidding
I don't give a damn if you are Tomor, Nathaniel, Bona Fidea, George Hanson, Ivan Lendl or Jenna Jameson. If your predictions are good, I think noone should argue. And your tennis picks are the best (although I have my personal goal to catch your yield on the main page) so for me, you could even write them as a "guest" or "anonymous"
And remember Bona that only guilty excuses himself...
Bona Fidea
28-09-04, 13:57
So thanks, George_Hanson.
I donīt want to excuse me, only want to make things clear, thatīs all and this is my last post about this. Everyone should make his own opinion.
I don't give a damn if you are Tomor, Nathaniel, Bona Fidea, George Hanson, Ivan Lendl or Jenna Jameson. If your predictions are good, I think noone should argue. And your tennis picks are the best (although I have my personal goal to catch your yield on the main page) so for me, you could even write them as a "guest" or "anonymous"
And remember Bona that only guilty excuses himself...
Look Tomor , there are some rules which must not be broken .. one of those is that same person must not have two accounts as a tipster (doesn`t matter if one or both accounts are inactive) .
It was your obligation to say to other users that you changed your nick .... it was your obligation to calculate balances of Tomor and Bona Fidea together .
On the other hand , from very,very reliable source, I know that Terje , Tahoma and K knew about this fact almost from the beginning of the story... why they didn`t do anything about this I don`t know .
My personal attitude about you ... r u cheater or not is of no importance at all ... I opened this topic in order to say that things are going down the hill ... with not applying basic rules and absolutelly careless acting from "people in charge" .
(although I have my personal goal to catch your yield on the main page)
It will be much easier for you to catch Tomor`s yield if all of his picks which he gave as a tipster at BA would be shown and calculated together .
George_Hanson
28-09-04, 14:11
Hah, it wouldn't be such a challenge for me then and I wouldnt have the motivation :)
The Gravedigger
28-09-04, 14:34
Heh,whole this thing and reason why this topic was opened is not because of you,but just quality of this forum is in clear downtrend because of many useless posts from users who just want to have big number of post under their nick,so what you`ve done was just to much for IKARUS and he wanted to open our eyes and to realize that we have to change something :?
Bona Fidea: At first I must say that I like your predictions and I am happy that you joined ice hockey section too. Surely we have no reasons why not to believe to your explanations (why you changed your nick). But it was big mistake that you didn't stated clearly at the beginning that new Bona Fidea was Tomor recently. That's all.
Koffieboer
28-09-04, 14:44
On the other hand , from very,very reliable source, I know that Terje , Tahoma and K knew about this fact almost from the beginning of the story... why they didn`t do anything about this I don`t know .K.. is that me? I knew since "Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:25 pm", copied from my PM box. I think the inactive account of Tomor was deleted on Friday Sep 17th, when also the account of Koffieboer was removed for tennis. I personally hadn't noticed that both nicknames had accounts at the main site; I'm not following tennis closely lately. If I had made the link, maybe I had said something about it. On the forum, I don't care a lot about it (as long as people don't start using two names at the same time) when there is noone harmed by it.
Ikarus, I know you have your period almost Non-Stop, but still no need to make so much trouble in here. Even your sources are ****, cause I dont think Koffie or Tahoma knew about it for longer.
It was me who knew it and I confronted him with that and his answer was surprising to me, but I was satisfied. Afterall, that Tomor-Account wasnt in a bad shape and he has been doing a good work as "Bona Fidea". So I saw no big reason to make a big deal out of it.
Well Ikarus, I know many different nicknames of you already, I am not sure if you use them all here at BA.
I post my tipps as Lakini, Kuki and write almost all winning picks for Mistro and noone ever has complained bout it...:)
Koffieboer
28-09-04, 14:45
but just quality of this forum is in clear downtrend because of many useless posts from users who just want to have big number of post under their nickI know, I was cleaning the threads for the CL for today and tomorrow, lot's of unfunded claims and stupid remarks are gone now, but there are made more than I can throw away...
Ikarus, I know you have your period almost Non-Stop, but still no need to make so much trouble in here. Even your sources are sh*t, cause I dont think Koffie or Tahoma knew about it for longer.
It was me who knew it and I confronted him with that and his answer was surprising to me, but I was satisfied. Afterall, that Tomor-Account wasnt in a bad shape and he has been doing a good work as "Bona Fidea". So I saw no big reason to make a big deal out of it.
Well Ikarus, I know many different nicknames of you already, I am not sure if you use them all here at BA.
I post my tipps as Lakini, Kuki and write almost all winning picks for Mistro and noone ever has complained bout it...:)
I am making trouble ? Because I just pointed on breaking one of the basic rules ?
I don`t care if Tomor had +5 000 000 units and Bona Fidea the same minus ..the thing is that he,you and the rest who knew about it ... didn`t even try to tell the rest of the users .. you could simply write - "Hey , you idiots .... I , Lakini , Royal highness , best of the best , simply too good for rest of the world ... would like to announce that certain tipster changed his nick ... so that you , pathetic users , can see real statistics for the tipster"
I am only Ikarus here , I am only ateh at Betadvice forum and Puntertown .
I maybe would agree if Bona Tomora was a jerk, but he had always written good predictions and previews, so I didnt see a reason to discuss this matter.
Listen
I did not originally know that Bona Fidea was Tomor when he was appointed. I got to know it from the moderators who mentioned his I looks the same as Tomor
Later Bona Fidea wrote a mail to me explaining the situation.
I then deleted Tomor's account on the mainsite.
Bona Fidea has been allowed to carry on, because hew writes good analyses, and his was not in much minus when his Tomor account was temrinated (-6.44 units).
I will likely edit Bona Fidea's balance to reflect his true status.
If BF wrote **** analysis, performed poorly, etc, I would understand the criticism.
I agree that BF has not done this the right way, but the reasons for doing it has been well explained to me, and I understand it.
It has nothing to do with his records as a tipster.
May we now leave this case dead.
Terje
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