View Full Version : Liverpool - Chelsea 01.05.2007
Liverpool FC 2.40 X 3.30 Chelsea FC 2.65
BWIN
Hello Friends :)
so how I read Carvalho is in injuried list and Essien will play in Central defense...
But my question is here about Schevchenko. In this article(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6603039.stm) I read that Schevchenko is too injuried and will not play...
anybody who watched the game Chelsea-Bolton can tell me what happened with SChevchenko there??
Teams from BBC
Liverpool (from): Reina, Finnan, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Riise, Gerrard, Alonso, Sissoko, Pennant, Zenden, Bellamy, Kuyt, Mascherano, Crouch, Dudek, Gonzalez.
Chelsea (from): Cech, A Cole, Makelele, Terry, Essien, Ferreira, Boulahrouz, Robben, Lampard, J Cole, Drogba, Mikel, Geremi, Bridge, Wright-Phillips, Diarra, Kalou, Cudicini.
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft
30-04-07, 23:50
They took him off at half-time. Suprised to see that he was injured as the match report on the Chelsea website said that his subsitition was likely to be have been decided before the match had started.
Hello Friends :)
so how I read Carvalho is in injuried list and Essien will play in Central defense...
But my question is here about Schevchenko. In this article(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6603039.stm) I read that Schevchenko is too injuried and will not play...
anybody who watched the game Chelsea-Bolton can tell me what happened with SChevchenko there??
Teams from BBC
Liverpool (from): Reina, Finnan, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Riise, Gerrard, Alonso, Sissoko, Pennant, Zenden, Bellamy, Kuyt, Mascherano, Crouch, Dudek, Gonzalez.
Chelsea (from): Cech, A Cole, Makelele, Terry, Essien, Ferreira, Boulahrouz, Robben, Lampard, J Cole, Drogba, Mikel, Geremi, Bridge, Wright-Phillips, Diarra, Kalou, Cudicini.
Robben still injured i think.
My bet will be OVER 2 goals
Jose is not a stupid as it looks and know that they probable will need a goal or to to advance.Carvalho out is a big blow.Chelsea also won`t just sit back and wait for counterattack.1 goal for liverpool and there is open race again.They know if they score 1 liverpool need 3 so maybe a more attacking chelsea this time while a more defence pool afraid to concede or maybe a boring game between two boring teams again.I hope for an early goal ,best would be liverpool scored first i think but boring it might be anyway because they know each others strenghts and weaknesses well and prev meetings that says it all but this meeting has better chances for OVER than first meeting i believe and i will take my chances
OVER2 almost 2 several bookmakers 4/10
maybe small punt on Poll (dnb) @1.8 .. Anfield stadium is very hot even for Chelsea and home advantage is big in favour of Liverpool,but Robben and Essien avalaible in the squad for Chelsea and reducing the chances for title in Premier makes some worries in my mind ...small stake ....let's enjoy in the soccer
Liverpool FC - Chelsea FC
How many goal-kicks will Team 1 kick in the 1st half?
Over 4,5 1.65 Under 4,5 2.10
I'm thinking about over, 5 goal-kicks is not too many. Chelsea probably won't play only in defence and will looking for away goal. How do You see this?
yes today Chelsea without Sheva,,Ballack,Carvalho but I think Sheva not play today Kalou is good form now and Essien play for sure in the central defence
Robben is fit today but still not decided to play I think play in the second half
Achilles any tip today Chelsea qualify :D
Liverpool have overturned a first leg deficit in European competition on nine previous occasions. All the second legs were at Anfield:
1965/66 Juventus L 0-1, W 2-0
1965/66 Celtic L 0-1, W 2-0
1971/72 Servette L 1-2, W 2-0
1975/76 Hibernian L 0-1, W 3-1
1976/77 Trabsonspor L 0-1, W 3-0
1976/77 St Etienne L 0-1, W 3-1
1977/78 Borussia Moenchengladbach L 1-2, W 3-0
1982/83 Helsinki L 0-1, W 5-0
1991/92 Auxerre L 0-2, W 3-0
Amazing!!!
Preface:
This is to be a very, very close fight. Liverpool are looking to reach their 2nd Champions League Final in 3 years, while Chelsea are still on their Quadruple mission, even though the Premiership race looks all but over after Chelsea's disappointing 2-2 draw with Bolton left them 5 points behind United with only 3 games to go. This promises to be one of the matches of the season, because none of these teams are going to just sit back and defend, because:
1) Liverpool need a goal to level the tie at one apiece, or they are out of the competition; and
2) Chelsea will be looking for that "away" goal which would mean Liverpool need 3 goals to progress into the Final. Game on!
Chelsea Key players missing:
Chelsea come into this one with huge injury concerns, and I do not envy Jose Mourinho's position right this moment. Remember when John Terry was out? Chelsea suffered at the back big time! Today, Ricardo Carvalho is out, so again Michael Essien will have to deputise like how he did when Terry was absent... and I expect the Chelsea defence to be unsettled. Not only do Chelsea have Carvalho out, midfield regular Michael Ballack will also be missing today. Ballack and Lampard have been at the core of Chelsea's attack this season (even though Ballack plays the quieter role of sitting behind Lampard), so his absence will be felt no doubt. Joining Terry and Ballack on the sidelines would be Shevchenko, so Kalou steps in. Moreover, Drogba has a yellow card.
Fresh and at full strength of Liverpool:
Liverpool do not have such worries. They rested Jose Reina, Daniel Agger, Jamie Carragher, Steven Gerrard, Dirk Kuyt, John Arne Riise and Javier Mascherano in that 1-2 reverse at Fratton Park against Portsmouth at the weekend, and will be very fresh to resume battle today. Steve Finnan has recovered and will take his place at right back, so Liverpool's line-up could look something like this: Reina, Finnan, Agger, Carragher and Arbeloa at the back, Gerrard, Mascherano, Riise and Alonso in the middle, and Kuyt and Crouch upfront. An injection of Bellamy's pace could be applied if the score is tied at half time. Benitez has so many options that he has an upper hand against Mourinho in that department.
Home record unrivalled:
Liverpool's home record is perhaps one of the best (if not the best) in the world at the moment. They have won 14 of their 18 matches played at Anfield in the Premiership, conceding just 5 goals! 5 goals in 18 matches... that's absolutely remarkable. They have also scored an average of more than 2 goals per Premier League game. Now if you think that run only applies to their Premiership form, you are wrong. Liverpool's home form in Europe is equally as impressive. Liverpool have played at home in the Champions League a total of 5 times, and they have won 4 of those. The one loss came against Primera Liga leaders Barcelona so no shame there! They have conceded just 3 goals (ie. 2 against Galatasaray alone), and scored 9... almost 2 per game as well, as per their Premiership record.
Away blues:
Chelsea's away form is not the best... in their 5 away games in the Champions League this season, Chelsea have lost to Bremen 0-1, drawn with Barcelona 2-2 and Porto 1-1, and beaten Levski Sofia 3-1 and Valencia 2-1. And the results do not tell the whole story either, because Chelsea scored 2 last-minute goals. Drogba scored a last-gasp goal so they could draw with Barcelona... if not they would have lost. And Michael Essien scored a last-minute winner against Valencia, if not they would have drawn! And the other win came against Levski Sofia... to be honest, what major team in Europe cannot beat Levski Sofia?
Just edging it:
Though Liverpool play like Champions when they are in front of their own fans, Chelsea will definitely give it all they have got. Sure enough, the last 5 meetings between Chelsea and Liverpool involved 2 one-nils and 3 nil-nils, but if this match was to end one-nil, I feel that Chelsea would be the team edging it. Liverpool will have more incentive to play openly, because they are the team playing catch-up at the moment. With the Chelsea players trying to defend that lead and looking to break on the counter, Liverpool could pounce on these uncertainties... especially with Kuyt and Gerrard around.
Away win in normal/extra time.
Prediction stays the same:
Chelsea become the champions
MU win EPL and FA
Hello Friends :)
so how I read Carvalho is in injuried list and Essien will play in Central defense...
But my question is here about Schevchenko. In this article(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6603039.stm) I read that Schevchenko is too injuried and will not play...
anybody who watched the game Chelsea-Bolton can tell me what happened with SChevchenko there??
Teams from BBC
Liverpool (from): Reina, Finnan, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Riise, Gerrard, Alonso, Sissoko, Pennant, Zenden, Bellamy, Kuyt, Mascherano, Crouch, Dudek, Gonzalez.
Chelsea (from): Cech, A Cole, Makelele, Terry, Essien, Ferreira, Boulahrouz, Robben, Lampard, J Cole, Drogba, Mikel, Geremi, Bridge, Wright-Phillips, Diarra, Kalou, Cudicini.He won't play and it is a worry to Chelsea because though he is not up to his pricetag but he has been superb in Europe. Creating chances and space to his strike partner.
But Kalou has shown tremedous maturity and Joe Cole is back to add Chelsea blistering pace.
So overall it will be who gonna start for Liverpool.
If Crouches play, Chelsea in deep trouble.
I will not bet 1x2 at this match.It is just too risky.Mourinho has already lost once in anfield and knows what to do in order not to lose again in there...
Besides, since liverpool will be pressing tonight to score if something goes bad for them the game will be over.All i mean is that if chalsea hit on the counter and score first then liverpool's players wil have to score 3 goals and they know this is a mission impossible and then the game could end just like this 0-1....At the first match chelsea was waiting liverpool scored a goal,mourinho with his tactics made liverpool to attack from the left side with zenden who managed to cross the ball sometimes with no result...
Tonight we should see probably something similar again.Chelsea will wait for liverpool and will try some counters.If they score at one of them the game is over...
This is why i will stay away from 1x2..
It points to a high scoring draw game here.
One is Chelsea will play open as Mourinho stated. He is a man of his words unlike other top managers in England.
Liverpool need to win and try to defend at the same time. Goals may come later in the game because first 45th min, they will have the stamina and strength to run up and down. While after 6oth, it will be hard.
Remember, Chelsea often play long ball. And those like Lampard, Joe cole are able to give superb long passes.
I still am confident 2-2 will be the scorline.
Over 2 goals is my forecast
Liverpool need to score at least 1 goal, with many of their stars rested on the weekend as this competition is their main priority. finnan and crouch are expected to return to the line-up.
Chelsea faultered on the weekend against bolton as mourinho also tinkered with his side to give some of his stars a rest. ballack is out, and so is calvarho an important figure in the back.
the first 30 mins of each of the halves in the last meeting was played at a high paced and not one many people expected to see. Chelsea could have been up 2-0 at the break, and liverpool had their chances to score early in the 2nd half with kuyts header and gerrards volley fantastically saved by cech.
feel the opening on this match will see an early goal as i feel chelsea will wait for the 2nd half before attacking, giving liverpool possession and with the crowd find it hard to not see them scoring. if we see a goal in the first half, expect this bet to win easily.
5/10 Over 2 goals is my prediction.
Any info about booked players? I cound not find it on uefa site. mr. gonzalez from spain is the referee for this match and I have 2.1 for over 4.5 cards (and we all know what spanish refs can do with the cards :D). seems tempting but need to have more info about booked players.
in the first leg there was only one yellow card shown. I guess thats why the odds are so jucy on that.
This game looks to me more and more as a 8/10 HW :oops:
Pool better home than at Stanford bridge and that's a fact.
Carvalho will be missing - best Chelsea's defender, Mourinho says.
Chelsea lost to Pool without Carvalho.
Sheva out and Robben in questionable form.
Essien to fight against Crouch in the box :o - that's all the English international needs.
2-1 is still a home win :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
8/10 is the least i will take here.
If this match was to end one-nil, I feel that Chelsea would be the team edging it. Liverpool will have more incentive to play openly, because they are the team playing catch-up at the moment.
Actually I think it's about time we see a thriller with ET. (Can't remember when was the last time we saw ET in CL, Liverpool - Milan?)
If you ask me Liverpool will have the edge tonight, just like Chelsea had in the first game. They are more rested and prepared for this one plus those missings for blues. Ok Chelsea have the lead and they know one goal will probably do the trick for them, but if Pool scores first I think we will see carefull game from both sides which can lead to ET, when I expect a goal or two.
So I'll cheer for 1:0 tonight as it will be great thriller to watch. Nothing else...
This game looks to me more and more as a 8/10 HW :oops:
Pool better home than at Stanford bridge and that's a fact.
Carvalho will be missing - best Chelsea's defender, Mourinho says.
Chelsea lost to Pool without Carvalho.
Sheva out and Robben in questionable form.
Essien to fight against Crouch in the box :o - that's all the English international needs.
2-1 is still a home win :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
8/10 is the least i will take here.
I agree with you but 8/10 is a very optimistic for liverpool :)
the Reds were without Finnan, Aurelio, Kewell and Luis Garcia all long time injuries do not affect Liverpool I think...I can see the Reds winning the second leg.But away goal rule can get chelsea a cl final
Actually I think it's about time we see a thriller with ET. (Can't remember when was the last time we saw ET in CL, Liverpool - Milan?)
Milan - Celtic :)
Jose Mourinho feels the fact Liverpool rested most of their starting XI at the weekend will give them an advantage in the second leg of their Champions League semi-final.
I agree, while Pool were resting players cause they didn't have reasons to play against Pompeys, Blues were fighting hard against Bolton, and lost two points, I wouldn't forget that either, it was only two days ago that they probably lost Premiership, hopefully :) ,
plus, Pool is much better at home than away, and they know it, I believe Liverpool will win this one, probably 1-0,
but still afraid of late goal by Drogba, so 1-1 cover bet
Any info about booked players? I cound not find it on uefa site. mr. gonzalez from spain is the referee for this match and I have 2.1 for over 4.5 cards (and we all know what spanish refs can do with the cards :D). seems tempting but need to have more info about booked players.
in the first leg there was only one yellow card shown. I guess thats why the odds are so jucy on that.
so we got one spanish manager and one portugues...and the referee is really from spain ??
Any info about booked players? I cound not find it on uefa site. mr. gonzalez from spain is the referee for this match and I have 2.1 for over 4.5 cards (and we all know what spanish refs can do with the cards :D). seems tempting but need to have more info about booked players.
in the first leg there was only one yellow card shown. I guess thats why the odds are so jucy on that.
so we got one spanish manager and one portugues...and the referee is really from spain ??
yes, according to uefa site!
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixturesresults/round=2360/match=300137/report=lu.html
there is only one winner in this match and that's chelsea. i congratulate liverpool for making it this far but chelsea will be extra motivated to get through to the final especially because they likely lost premiership title to man utd. it will be very good attacking game. i think 2-1 chelsea and drogba to do the business. when you have a squad worth over £200 million you must justify the cost to abramovic otherwise mourinho is out of the door.
over 2 goals (1.93 @ Pinnacle) 3 units
Liverpool @ 2.40 (straight win) 4 units
Note that I already have following bets pending:
Liverpool to advance to final pk (2.20 @ Pinnacle) 4 units.
Manchester United to win Champions League (9.40) 10/10
Liverpool to win Champions League (21.92) 2 units
I won't be hedging anything, I'm still treating every game independently here, I'm up somewhat 60 units since CL started this season, and as I said, I won't be disappointed even if I lose all these bets. It would be nice to cash a few, of course Liverpool lifting the trophy would be dreamy in more ways than one.
This isn't a fan bet. I'm counting on Chelsea to have another letdown moment. Do we really think their draw with Bolton was coincidental? They're bruised, missing men from the lineup, fatigued and slowly fed up with this season, which has been really tiring for them.
I have to commend Mourinho and his players for fighting on 4(!) paths simultaneously, one trophy is already in the bag, they have 3 more to go, with Premiership possibly lost.
This is a game of the year for both teams, be aware of that. And I am aware that the more realistic score from game 1 would've been 2:0 Chelsea, but it's not. And Liverpool have the chance to win this one, plus we're not even talking about advancing, just winning, meaning 2:1 or 3:2 (science fiction but hey, anything can happen) will do the trick as well.
However, I'm actually counting on Liverpool to step up HUGE tonight. Anfield was pretty much a non factor this season in CL, at least when knockout stage is concerned, and I expect that to change tonight.
Chelsea will have to rotate players once again, as they're missing Ballack, Shevchenko and Carvalho, which means Essien's creativity will be limited since he'll mostly be used in the back.
I expect Rafa to impose his rhythm and slowly wear down Chelsea's defense, after that anything can happen. Perhaps the "due theory" can be applied here because apart from the league cup Chelsea have failed to get passed Liverpool 4 times, whether it's the group stage or direct knockout situation.
I expect another tactical battle here, but with more goals scored (hence my over bet), and Liverpool to impose their tempo and put pressure on Chelsea's backline.
I have to say I hope Zenden and Bellamy won't play, perhaps Pennant and Crouch would be better solutions, actually I'm sure they would. But Rafa's notorious "surprise factor" will surely chip in once again. As far as Chelsea's woes are concerned, missing Carvalho should be a big blow, missing Sheva and Ballack, oddly enough, not THAT much. Kalou will probably get the nod up front, but I'm not so sure about Robben's fitness and form at this point.
My guess here would be good as any, when Rafa is concerned, you just never know.
---------------Reina------------------
Finnan----Carragher----Agger-----Riise---
Gerrard----Sissoko---Xabi-------Pennant(Gonzalez)
--------------Kuyt----Crouch--------------
Also a possibility:
------------ Reina ---------------
---- Carra---Hyypia--Agger -----
Finnan---Alonso---Mascherano-- Riise
----------- Gerrard --------------
---- Crouch -- Bellamy (Kuyt) -------
I think it's maybe a draw. because Chelsea don't need defeat liverpool, 11 man defend is enough
over 2 goals (1.93 @ Pinnacle) 3 units
Liverpool @ 2.40 (straight win) 4 units
Note that I already have following bets pending:
Liverpool to advance to final pk (2.20 @ Pinnacle) 4 units.
Manchester United to win Champions League (9.40) 10/10
Liverpool to win Champions League (21.92) 2 units
Over 2 goals is a bet that should probably be given more units ... Essien, Robben, Lampard, and J Cole are players capable score from nothing... ok, Essien's creativity will be limited, but Robben, Lampard, and J Cole are still enough to make a wonder ... one goal from Chelsea and Liverpool's waves make the over 2 goals bet very possible ... if Liverpool scores first they will not wait for some ridiculous goal on last seconds to lose it overall ... Liverpool should aim to score at least 3 goals to avoid any drama at the end...
I think it's maybe a draw. because Chelsea don't need defeat liverpool, 11 man defend is enough
even 20 defending men might be not enough if opponents have Crouch ...
Achilles any tip today Chelsea qualify :D
:) I haven't time for preview..But I have correct score 2-1 and Over 2.5 Goals. ;)
soccer man
01-05-07, 19:09
My guess here would be good as any, when Rafa is concerned, you just never know.
Also a possibility:
------------ Reina ---------------
---- Carra---Hyypia--Agger -----
Finnan---Alonso---Mascherano-- Riise
----------- Gerrard --------------
---- Crouch -- Bellamy (Kuyt) -------
i can't see why rafa will use this formation, it's very rarely he used 3 central defend and his already not trust old hyypia for important game since this season started. i agree for this match crouch will be more dangerous than bellamy. with carvalho, ballack absent i rate only two chelsea player have really good in the air (JT and drogba) so i really don't know which one more better play essien in central defend or use bouhlarous which also had good header for this important match remind he still not settle in chelsea and maurinho clearly still not trust in him that's why he rotate the other player but he always use JT,carvalho as long both player available. bolton which already know had dangerous set pieces already punished them with two goal from set pieces and liverpol have capability to do the same. agger,hyypia,kuyt and crouch is very good in the air just hope jose can solve their problem cause beside manchester i also took chelsea for the champion winner since knock out phase and i still believe the blues with 1 goal leading for first match will qualify.
hope they can score first cause i really can't see liverpol can score three times to cech
IAll i mean is that if chalsea hit on the counter and score first then liverpool's players wil have to score 3 goals and they know this is a mission impossible and then the game could end just like this 0-1
This is why i will stay away from 1x2..
Please remember AC Milan-Liverpool 3-3 (3-0) ;)
I think Liverpool will beat Chelsea today. Pool have the better football player! Chelsea have more stars but Liverpool have real football players. They believe themself and play for themselfs, for their team and for everyone in the stadium. From the first to the last minute. I`ve never seen a team with so a huge home advantage.
Chelsea without Ballack, Carvalho, Sheva haven`t to be a worse team. They have two or three good stars for nearly every position. They have very good players in their lines but Liverpool is still the better team.
I think they will crush them and win by two goals margin!
Good Luck everyone... ;)
Chelsea today play very offensive:
--------Cech---------
Ferreira------Essien-------- Terry--------- A.Cole
Obi Mikel----------Makalele---------Lampard
Kalou-----------Drogba-----------Joe Cole
I have Chelsea win by one goal 3.6 and I take it first 15 minutes it's very important for Chelsea
Both will attack to win the game.
Gerrald to play alongside xabi alonso. Crouch and Bellamy.
Drogba with Kalou
Lampard with Obi Mikel
Outcome, 1. Over2.
I think it's maybe a draw. because Chelsea don't need defeat liverpool, 11 man defend is enoughYou left out "WHAT IF" factors
WHAT IF
* Liverpool scores last minute?
Note that I already have following bets pending:
Liverpool to advance to final pk (2.20 @ Pinnacle) 4 units.
Manchester United to win Champions League (9.40) 10/10
Liverpool to win Champions League (21.92) 2 units
Manchester United not going to get it. They look to have perfect balance but they depend heavily on Ronaldo and Rooney to perform alongside with carrick and Scholes.
If anyone of them, especially Ronaldo, to be suspended or injured, They will play like a 2nd division team.
Their defence look strong but it is not. it is very porous. It is because ronaldo can cover carrick territory while carrick help out in defence. so do scholes who often make flying takcles.
Chelsea today play very offensive:
--------Cech---------
Ferreira------Essien-------- Terry--------- A.Cole
Obi Mikel----------Makalele---------Lampard
Kalou-----------Drogba-----------Joe Cole
I have Chelsea win by one goal 3.6 and I take it first 15 minutes it's very important for Chelsea
don't u think it will be more like
Cech
Ferreira - Essien - Terry - Cole
Mikel - Makelele - Lampard - Cole
Kalou - Drogba
???
Chelsea today play very offensive:
--------Cech---------
Ferreira------Essien-------- Terry--------- A.Cole
Obi Mikel----------Makalele---------Lampard
Kalou-----------Drogba-----------Joe Cole
I have Chelsea win by one goal 3.6 and I take it first 15 minutes it's very important for Chelsea
don't u think it will be more like
Cech
Ferreira - Essien - Terry - Cole
Mikel - Makelele - Lampard - Cole
Kalou - Drogba
???
no i don't think formation today for Chelsea 4-3-3
Note that I already have following bets pending:
Liverpool to advance to final pk (2.20 @ Pinnacle) 4 units.
Manchester United to win Champions League (9.40) 10/10
Liverpool to win Champions League (21.92) 2 units
Manchester United not going to get it. They look to have perfect balance but they depend heavily on Ronaldo and Rooney to perform alongside with carrick and Scholes.
If anyone of them, especially Ronaldo, to be suspended or injured, They will play like a 2nd division team.
Their defence look strong but it is not. it is very porous. It is because ronaldo can cover carrick territory while carrick help out in defence. so do scholes who often make flying takcles.
LOL if Man U depends heavily on Ronaldo and Rooney, then who depends Milan on? Kaka and...? ;)
soccer man
01-05-07, 20:21
place penant/zenden on winger and crouch/kuyt in front, rafa really hope both flank deliver good cross and both twin tower in front will use their air ability. damn, just hope chelsea wing back can stop liverpol winger.
i believe cole will take care penant but fereira not convenience at all, i more prefer diara even he always get his yellow card but he is very tough to beat.
he can stop quaresma certainly can stop zenden just hope fereira play in his form :(
remember this match in the Premier League on Anfield 02.10.2005 1-4 for Chelsea :D today Chelsea win but no score four goals :D
Pool better home than at Stanford bridge and that's a fact.
Yes, but also the fact is Chelsea are better than Liverpool anywhere!Pool did manage to beat them earlier in the season, but Chelsea will have a stronger side tonight!
Honestly, Liverpool don't look like a side capable to overturn any scoreline at the moment, especially against consistent teams like Chelsea.No enough firepower in them.
Btw, Chelsea +1/4(1.80) all the way for me!
Do we really think their draw with Bolton was coincidental?
In the last couple of years Liverpool always finish season around 20+ pts below Chelsea, so this can't be coincidental either.
All in all, Chelsea are completely another level to Liverpool who actually need some fluke, like two years ago, to eliminate Chelsea here.Otherwise, I can see no chance for them!
bogdan1007
01-05-07, 20:44
4 days i've been thinking only at this game...
Chelsea...a lot of stars, a lot of money invested in players...but they miss something that should make them a team...i don't think that chelsea can form a team...also i think there is a very stressful moment for them...they lost premiership after 2-2 home with Bolton...Mourinho is almost gone from summer...
Liverpool...is what I call a team...they don't have lots of players that impress but they have the man (Benitez) that can motivate them and can ask them to play what it needs to be a TEAM. And with home crowd behind...I think they will win. That's my feeling...
Probably Benitez told them before the game: "TODAY ... WE FIGHT!"
My bet: Liverpool +0 @1.67 9/10
Do we really think their draw with Bolton was coincidental?
In the last couple of years Liverpool always finish season around 20+ pts below Chelsea, so this can't be coincidental either.
All in all, Chelsea are completely another level to Liverpool who actually need some fluke, like two years ago, to eliminate Chelsea here.Otherwise, I can see no chance for them!
It's strange to see such huge support to Chelsea ... especially from .... a Tottenham supporter :o :o :o ... even in betting ... :o ...
4 days i've been thinking only at this game...
Chelsea...a lot of stars, a lot of money invested in players...but they miss something that should make them a team...i don't think that chelsea can form a team...also i think there is a very stressful moment for them...they lost premiership after 2-2 home with Bolton...Mourinho is almost gone from summer...
Yes indeed, they miss something! It is resting! ... make a count how many matches Chelsea played against various quality teams comparing to other teams... as for money it's a myth... I've read analyses where Chelsea is far behind Manchester, Real Madrid, Milan and etc. in spending money ... it's just a question of how to register money on paper... Mourinho would be happy to leave this summer with over 70 millions dollars for nothing ...
I am glad that I did not bet on this match :D . Because my reason told me to pick Liverpool, but I kind of supported Chelsea. So many millions waisted...
Liverpool again in the CL final.
it is kind of mockery of the competition, that a parasite team of this competition format once again can take advantage:
( A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.
[Latin paras***299;tus, a person who lives by amusing the rich, from Greek paras***299;tos, person who eats at someone else's table, parasite : para-, beside; see para–1 + s***299;tos, grain, food.] )
And once again they not even close to win domestic premier title race.
I think if Platini serious about shaking up this CL limit teams from each countries.
The best limit would be ONLY champions in Chapions League or max previous 3 years champions from each country for qualification.
I see some anti Liverpool thoughts here, well that's fine. No Kojic, that wasn't coincidental, and neither is Liverpools' 5-1 cup domination over Chelsea. ONLY ONCE did Chelsea go through over Liverpool and that was league cup final and only after Gerrard scored own goal.
Other than that, don't you think this "mega squad" should've done better than 1-5?
@varganya. Well I just can't understand these thoughts to be honest. This was a tactical battle all the way, and if Chelsea went through same **** again. So what if they were champs. Do you really want to see only champions in champions league?
FK Tirana v Manchester United
Haka Valkeakoski v Inter Milan
Dinamo Zagreb v Lyon
etc.
COME ON ;). Chelsea had their chance to go through, they didn't: end of story. What if Milan goes through to the final, won't that be a mockery? A team ACCUSED OF MATCH FIXING and shady business who were initially kicked out to lower league (Serie B) and got a 3 year ban from Europe, only to see UEFA reinstall them in CL again?
That surely isn't a mockery to you, I'm sure.
Fantastic match in terms of battle, fighting and great tactics. Both teams had their chances, Liverpool imposed their rhythm early on only to see Chelsea consolidate somewhere around half time and take the tempo from there for 20-25 mins. Reina and Carra were both MOTM, Reina perhaps a bit more since he saved those pens, he was IMMENSE throughout the match.
I'm glad Kuyt's goal was dissalowed because it was a TINY offside, but offside nevertheless.
The key to this match in my eyes was neutralizing Drogba during those long balls from Cech, Agger and Carra did a fantastic job there. Overall it was a fair, tough fight, and it could've been different, I won't deny that, but it's always like that with these teams.
WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON RED MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
@varganya. Well I just can't understand these thoughts to be honest. This was a tactical battle all the way, and if Chelsea went through same (censored) again. So what if they were champs. Do you really want to see only champions in champions league?
FK Tirana v Manchester United
Haka Valkeakoski v Inter Milan
Dinamo Zagreb v Lyon
YES
I do not want to see any parasite team from england, spain , germany etc
earn automatic spot for nothing....
they just taken up, take away real games from real champions, from REAL SUPPORTERS.
@varganya. Well I just can't understand these thoughts to be honest. This was a tactical battle all the way, and if Chelsea went through same (censored) again. So what if they were champs. Do you really want to see only champions in champions league?
FK Tirana v Manchester United
Haka Valkeakoski v Inter Milan
Dinamo Zagreb v Lyon
YES
I do not want to see any parasite team from england, spain , germany etc
earn automatic spot for nothing....
they just taken up, take away real games from real champions, from REAL SUPPORTERS.
my friend, don't forget,t's all about business and money here....CH.L is not a competitions for the champions of every country, it's a copetition for the teams tht can bring money through tickets, television righs etc etc....the thought of a "closed" league formed by 10-12 financially power teams is on the table the last years and my opinion is that things will lead to a system like this in a few years...i do not say I like it but that's the way it goes....you are a financial power? you play....you are dimano zagreb, Haka, Olympiakos, Steaua or whatever else? stay home and watch TV...
@varganya. Well I just can't understand these thoughts to be honest. This was a tactical battle all the way, and if Chelsea went through same (censored) again. So what if they were champs. Do you really want to see only champions in champions league?
FK Tirana v Manchester United
Haka Valkeakoski v Inter Milan
Dinamo Zagreb v Lyon
YES
I do not want to see any parasite team from england, spain , germany etc
earn automatic spot for nothing....
they just taken up, take away real games from real champions, from REAL SUPPORTERS.
Well that's you. I wouldn't say many would agree to see MTK or whoever rather than Werder, Liverpool or Real Madrid. Have in mind, it's a huge industry, and you can't expect anything else than it becoming a playground for the rich.
In such situation, I will always take a club with tradition and spirit, over a team that were injected with 500 million only to cope with the best.
Liverpool had MANY problems throughout the years in terms of transfers, only now they can cope with Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal in terms of acquisitions, only after Hicks and Gillet decided to invest.
Before that, Rafa wanted Aimar, Trezeguet, Joaquin, and 4,5 other players, he got NONE of them, he had to settle with his second choices.
Plus, Liverpool had a HORRID start into the season, especially in away matches, and until they shook off the rust, Chelsea and Man U were up 10 points.
And I have to say: hats off to both Chelsea and Man U this year. I mean to play on such level in 3,4 competitions simultaneously and coping with injuries, and to mantain such killer rhythm for so long, that can be done only by big teams. And both these teams are big.
But you can't say Liverpool are parasites, come on. They won the group deservedly, without A SINGLE MARK. Then OUTPLAYED Barca (which leads me to believe they're a chameleon team, they played such excellent football against Barca, combinatoric, fast paced, double pass, etc, and now against Chelsea they played quite similar to them, which of course resulted in two tight matches), then got passed PSV, which isn't much of an accomplishment though, PSV were a wreck in the 2nd part of the season, and now this.
Chelsea and Liverpool were 50-50 in terms of football, in terms of luck/bad luck/coaches/bench whatever.
And Liverpool got through after Reina had 2 brilliant moments. Had Chelsea done the same, as always I would be the first to congratulate, but as a long time LFC supporter (not a real "fan", but someone who grew up watching LIVERPOOL AND ONLY LIVERPOOL in terms of supporting) I will celebrate this, and I think we deserved it.
Cheers.
Liverpool for LIFE. I love you Liverpool. Rafa is genius.
Chelsea and Liverpool were 50-50 in terms of football
I agree. American football though :D :D :D
Damnn, it was ET afterall! http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/r60.gif
But congrats to Liverpool and their fans, I'm sure Rafa will bring them another CL trophy, eating or non eating from someone else's table. http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/u162.gif lol
But you can't say Liverpool are parasites, come on. They won the group deservedly, without A SINGLE MARK. Then OUTPLAYED Barca (which leads me to believe they're a chameleon team, they played such excellent football against Barca....
Cheers.
well maybe but they throw domestic games back than, and now again.
No matter what angle you look at it, and you may say that you want to see the Best quality teams in EU being at the semis, or 1/4 finals Liverpool is simply not belong there.
when Celtic, PSV, Barcelona, Chelsea get knocked out because they are in the fight f for domestic championship. liverpool simply looks and acts like a parasite, especially when uefa even bended the "rules" for them last year.
go win the uefa cup, I even congratulate but this is just too much to stomach.
I wouldn't say many would agree to see MTK or whoever rather than Werder, Liverpool or Real Madrid.
I have to say I do watch less and less CL over the years. It is simply not interest me anymore. Because it is made up, prearranged games..
By the way, the Spainish referee today rarely books players. Damn - I should have bet on UNDER.
Look back to the 2005 final where hardly any player got book. Yes, Spainish referees in general book a lot of players but this referee is the exception.
But you can't say Liverpool are parasites, come on. They won the group deservedly, without A SINGLE MARK. Then OUTPLAYED Barca (which leads me to believe they're a chameleon team, they played such excellent football against Barca....
Cheers.
well maybe but they throw domestic games back than, and now again.
No matter what angle you look at it, and you may say that you want to see the Best quality teams in EU being at the semis, or 1/4 finals Liverpool is simply not belong there.
when Celtic, PSV, Barcelona, Chelsea get knocked out because they are in the fight f for domestic championship. liverpool simply looks and acts like a parasite, especially when uefa even bended the "rules" for them last year.
The rules would've been bent for Arsenal as well if they managed to hold the lead. So nothing strange there. The rules were also bent for Real Madrid 5,6 years ago when Zaragoza were kicked out to UEFA cup.
That's not shady?
Ok then. Again I will mention it: AC Milan. Inter Milan. There were transcripts found with both Uncle Fester (Galliani) and Facchetti caught "in flagranti", talking to refs representatives.
BOTH TEAMS PLAYED IN CHAMPIONS LEAGUE this year.
Juventus were accused and found guilty for drug abuse during their championship years.
Etc, etc.
Liverpool were VERY GOOD in this year's CL, and no one can deny that. They deserved the spot by going 3rd last season, so no **** there either.
They won the group convincingly, beat Barcelona by OUTPLAYING them, beat PSV 4-0 on aggregate and now played a 210 minute tactical battle with Chelsea, and once again I say, whoever went through deserved it.
I would say the same if Chelsea went through. Same as I said when Man U beat Liverpool in 92nd minute after Liverpool were slightly better throughout the match, same as when Chelsea went through in the league cup (meaning won it) a few years ago, etc...
These posts can be checked.
I have to say I do watch less and less CL over the years. It is simply not interest me anymore. Because it is made up, prearranged games..
I can see you're bitter about it, but I wouldn't agree that bringing in "only champions" would solve the problem. I have little to no desire watching Arsenal v Thun (did that once btw), or Haka Valkeakoski v Manchester United.
I don't think these clubs are ready to play at the top level yet, they need to be reorganized, and invested in, huge differences in terms of funds and influence have to be smaller, the gap between the "big teams" and others has to close, before such idea can be implemented.
Congrats to Liverpool :)
honestly, Chelsea looked like a League 1 side :o ;)
I can see you're bitter about it, but I wouldn't agree that bringing in "only champions" would solve the problem. I have little to no desire watching Arsenal v Thun (did that once btw), or Haka Valkeakoski v Manchester United.
I am not bitter. I amt bored. every year Barcelona vs Chelsa vs Liverpol vs Juventus vs Manchester .... last 5 years this was 654th clesea vs pool game... who gives a rat's ass ? not me. Will you remember this game next week ? I doubt it.
When same competition 5 y ago ZTE beat ManU at home 1-0 that is for remember. It is a memory for lifetime. And yes even when that slovakian team kicked Celtic ass 5-0 people who have been there will not forget not even me who only saw the live score.
and there you go those games never make it to TV.
liverpool maybe a good team with MONEY. but all that is about it.
all this was just plastic "ready made" entertainment for fat bottocks big brother watching consumers.
it is just not the real thing.. just a TV program.
You will remember ZTE, but most will remember this game. Perhaps ZTE had a good performance then, but put them in CL group with any stronger team, they will end up dead last, like Levski or AEK.
My favorite team isn't Liverpool but Hajduk Split. But even though I would be delighted to see my team in CL, not only do they not deserve it, but they would just fill the spot, nothing else.
The mid 90s are history. Back then Hajduk played 1:1 against Van Gaal's Ajax, involving Kluivert, Bogarde, Reiziger, De Boer brothers, Seedorf, etc...
Today they would only be a marginal opponent for such a team. And you can't FORCE things back the way they were.
I'm just saying, Liverpool are perhaps a "club with money" compared to ZTE, Hajduk, Groclin, Steaua, etc...
but among top clubs, they actually don't belong to the very top. Barca, Chelsea, Man U, Milan, Inter, Real Madrid.
These are the top clubs when money is concerned. Liverpool couldn't get the players they wanted, and they didn't want Ronaldinho, but Joaquin, lol.
I'm not saying they're some poor club, but they're also not the richest bunch around, and surely not a symbol "of all evil" as you present it.
To me the FAR bigger evil is Real Madrid for example, a club which brought only stars and overpaid players over the years, even though it has shown to be the wrong approach since they didn't win anything that way. Inter Milan has spent over 700 million € in the last decade on acquisitions.
Chelsea for example, have taken control over the market. And they still didn't win CL for 4th year since Abramovich took over. And that means something. If you don't see the difference between Liverpool and Chelsea in terms of investments, then it would be the same for me to say I don't see the difference between Liverpool and Newcastle.
Liverpool brought Sissoko, Mascherano, Agger, etc, which can't be compared to Chelsea's or Madrid's transfers. So even though Liverpool are above most clubs, they still don't represent the source of evil, as you put it.
In an ideal world, I would like to see teams like Steaua or Hajduk or MTK or Brondby fighting with top teams, but if you think that putting them in CL groups is the solution, without prior changes, which involves total decriminalization of football in Eastern Europe (+Italy, look what's happening there FFS), healthy investments in clubs, etc, I think you're wrong.
Those days are gone. Eastern European football is unhealthy (I'm talking Croatia or BiH for example).
You're mentioning ZTE. But that same ZTE had to do the very same thing Chelsea did on a "global level", they just did it in Hungary. Take Dinamo Zagreb for example. They bought all the players, all the talents worth buying here in Croatia. Hajduk did similar. Is that the solution?
Are these clubs BIG now? They're doing the SAME THING as Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid, etc are doing in Europe, they're just doing it in a micro cosmos of Croatian league. Look at match fixing in Italy and Bosnia & Herzegovina.
Football is a troubled sport at the moment, some rules need to be changed ASAP (for example putting cameras inside the goal, allowing goal reviews, etc), but introducing a healthier way of competition would be a must as well.
But as far as THIS competition goes, as far as THIS tournament goes, Liverpool deserved to reach the finals, and yes I will remember this game next week and next month, and beyond. I won't remember Dinamo v Hajduk though, which was supposed to be a "big derby", which had 60 fouls and less game than Liverpool v Chelsea in the first 25 minutes. So imagine that.
[Latin paras***299;tus, a person who lives by amusing the rich, from Greek paras***299;tos, person who eats at someone else's table, parasite : para-, beside; see para–1 + s***299;tos, grain, food.] )
Déjà vu
The term "déjà vu" (French for "already seen", also called paramnesia) describes the experience of feeling that one has witnessed or experienced a new situation previously.
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/media/images/galleries/sport/football/foc/large/20070501_23_74029877dm063_uefa_champion.jpg
Btw, some interesting facts:
From Chelsea's website:
The acoustics at Anfield are so remarkable that when the ground was a quarter-full, as Chelsea came out to warm up, the home singing was deafening. So once the game had started it must have been nigh impossible for players to communicate on the pitch.
highlight video, only a proof that there WERE chances and plenty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6-KlZGGuto)
Agger's goal (http://www.soccerblog.com/2007/05/video_liverpool_1_chelsea_0_cl.htm)
Penalties (http://www.soccerblog.com/2007/05/video_penalty_kicks_liverpool.htm)
Mourinho the deluded one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6614245.stm)
THE BOSS HIMSELF, sitting down during penalties :D haha
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1756/20627544814638712e1db4avm1.jpg
See you in Athens ladies.
if you think Liverpool different than chelsea, arsenal, juventus you are wrong.
Hullier who was so devoted that even got hart attack for the club was NOT good enough....
the local heros are
Micheal gimme money i go real madrid Owen
Steven gimme money or i go real madrid Gerrard
Roby i dunno how to spell my name go anywhere Flower etc.
and the club was SOLD for money...
As time passes i got to say real madrid at least was the most honest team so far: they were already superstar, not wannabies.
they did enjoy football, they did try entertain...
And if i have to choose I choose zidane who lost the final, than materazzi who "won"...
If you want entertainment go to see a circus. Or ZTE Zalagaerszeg. I'll stick to real football thanks. :)
First you say football has become all about the show, saying how it's become rotten, then you emphasize entertainment as a positive thing. Make up your mind.
Houllier was so devoted that he got a heart attack? LOL are you serious? You make it sound as if he got a heart attack out of sheer devotion and love for the club. He wasn't good enough so what? Coaches are being sacked every year in big clubs, Liverpool gave MORE than enough credit to Houllier. He blew it, same as he's doing now with Lyon. Houllier's teams are almost regularly on a downslide after 2 seasons with him on the helm.
Owen went away because he "wanted to win trophies". Big mistake, how many did he win since he left?
Gerrard could've gone to Chelsea or Juventus, he declined. He asked for more money, WOW is that such a sin? How much does Lampard make? Or Terry?
Carragher is a hero. Fowler was a hero. What's your point?
Just admit it, you don't like Liverpool and now you're trying to force some silly argument as if they didn't deserve to play in Athens.
No, Real Madrid deserved it. LOL. Because they were SO ENTERTAINING TO WATCH. LOOL
Anyways, we're coming from two different standpoints, two different football outlooks, you didn't get my point, I don't get yours, so we may as well close the argument.
To me the FAR bigger evil is Real Madrid for example, a club which brought only stars and overpaid players over the years, even though it has shown to be the wrong approach since they didn't win anything that way. Inter Milan has spent over 700 million € in the last decade on acquisitions.
Chelsea for example, have taken control over the market. And they still didn't win CL for 4th year since Abramovich took over. And that means something. If you don't see the difference between Liverpool and Chelsea in terms of investments, then it would be the same for me to say I don't see the difference between Liverpool and Newcastle. .
Why is it always Real Madrid and Chelsea? Why everybody is silent about Manchester United spending?
Top Five English Premiership Transfers
Andriy Shevchenko - 30(?) mil pounds - AC Milan to Chelsea
Rio Ferdinand - 30 mil pounds - Leeds Utd to Manchester United
Juan Sebastian Veron - 28 mil pounds - Lazio to Manchester United
Wayne Rooney - 27 mil pounds - Everton to Manchester United
Michael Essien - 24.5 mil pounds - Lyon to Chelsea
Top Five All-Time Transfers
Zinedine Zidane - 44 mil pounds - Juventus to Real Madrid
Luis Figo - 37 mil pounds - Barcelona to Real Madrid
Hernan Crespo - 35.5 mil pounds - Parma to Lazio
Gianluigi Buffon - 32.6 mil pounds - Parma to Juventus
Christian Vieri - 31 mil pounds - Lazio to Inter
http://soccerlens.com/football-transfer-fee-records/140084.html
you're right. The reason for that however, is mostly in the fact that despite these buys, Man United are rarely forcing the issue with big transfers and big buys.
Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid however, are. In my opinion of course.
THE BOSS HIMSELF, sitting down during penalties :D haha
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1756/20627544814638712e1db4avm1.jpg
That guy, is the same that is 13 points beyind Chelsea in the premiership?
you're right. The reason for that however, is mostly in the fact that despite these buys, Man United are rarely forcing the issue with big transfers and big buys.
Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid however, are. In my opinion of course.yes, but when they buy, they buy diligently
they buy diligently
where are they buying him from?
THE BOSS HIMSELF, sitting down during penalties :D haha
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1756/20627544814638712e1db4avm1.jpg
That guy, is the same that is 13 points beyind Chelsea in the premiership?
exactly the same guy, I was surprised Chelsea didn't trash them 13-0
THE BOSS HIMSELF, sitting down during penalties :D haha
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1756/20627544814638712e1db4avm1.jpg
That guy, is the same that is 13 points beyind Chelsea in the premiership?
exactly the same guy, I was surprised Chelsea didn't trash them 13-0
JM did not try to change a thing during the game.
That is very peculiar when you think not long ago some EP manager praised Chelsea for managed to change formation 3!! times during a game.
first changes came minutes from the end:
Robben, Geremi... exactly those people kicked first and miss the penalties.
back to bashing the cheats:
you talk about "tradition" and values they represent, and real football,
However, the club were also involved in the 1915 British football betting scandal , one of the earliest match-fixing scandal (Liverpool and Manchester United) which saw four Liverpool players banned, for life although the bans were rescinded in 1919
Your "arguments" are getting funnier by the minute. I'm sure Hungarian football is all clean and there was never match fixing involved there, also Italy, Germany, or my country (Croatia). Everything is so clean that football here has become a disaster.
Not to mention the quality of Hungarian and Croatian club football.
The game is over. Its a Liverpool-AC Milan final again, and this thread has run its course.
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