View Full Version : Lyon - Roma // 06.03
It happened to watch the whole first game and from the time the game ended i decided that i would bet definitely on Lyon for this for the following reasons.
1) The whole game gave you the impression that Lyon was doing what they wanted. They had ball possession in the first half and Roma was nowhere in the field. I don't remember them creating a single chance. In the second half, Lyon stayed back and it was clear that all they wanted to do is to take a big fat 0-0 and take the game back to Gerland. Again, Roma had difficulty to create any decent chances and i think the result was most a result of coincidencial bad night for Maluda, Govou and Fred.
2) I am definitely that this display won't exist at Gerland. We all know what Lyon is able to play. I think their last impressive win against Saint-Ettienne makes stronger this belief and in the worst case they will be able to score once against a defense which is not that great for a Champions League level.
3) Houlier has much more solutions than Spalleti. The Italians have a good line-up and adding to them Vucinic, Wilhemsson and Aquilani they don't have any other respectable solutions, while Lyon can turn things around with they players they have on attack.
4) I know some players of Lyon is not on their best form but same thing goes for important players of Roma like Taddei and Mancini. Totti looks at the moment all the Romans can count on.
The odds are fair and square and i believe that Lyon will be able to win on regular time and move on.
Toulalan is suspended for Lyon but diarra is back.
Lyonnais vs As Roma = 1
Tuesdays match is Olympique Lyonnais against AS Roma.
My tip is to bet on Lyonnais to win this match and to move on further in the tournament.
Yes i am aware of that AS Roma is a very strong team, but my feeling says that Lyon will win this match. they have a very good collective and a hard working team.
The statistics of Lyonnais, says that they score almost 2 goals per match, where as roma scores only 1.14 per match.
besides that Lyonnais has around 44 shots on goal this CHL season until now, where Roma only managed to shot 25 times on goal until now.
Lyonnais statistics in the last 7 chl matches, says 4 won, 3 Draw and 0 lost.
So my bet is Lyonnais to win. The odds is :
1.75 at expekt.com
1.84 at betfair.com
1.75 at sportingbet.com
1.80 at bet365.com
1.85 at nordicbet.com
1.75 at bwin.com
1.78 at unibet.com
1.83 at ladbrokes.com
1.73 at skybet.com
Colonel Claypool
05-03-07, 20:30
Hi Nortico
Agree with you:Lyon-Roma 1 1,82@ BF.
Roma's defense is not strong enough for Lyon forwards(personal opinion)and Lyon plays a superb soccer.
Hope Totti doesn't win the game! :D
Olympique Lyonnais have a fourth successive UEFA Champions League quarter-final place in their sights as they welcome AS Roma to the Stade de Gerland. The French champions' 0-0 draw in Rome in the first leg of this knockout round tie leaves them as slight favourites, especially given their 18-match unbeaten run at home in European football's premier club competition.
• Lyon have won 12 of those 18 matches without loss, including victories in this season's group stage over Real Madrid CF (2-0) and FC Dynamo Kyiv (1-0). They drew 1-1 with FC Steaua Bucuresti in their most recent home fixture on 6 December, but had already secured their progress by then.
• Lyon's last defeat at home in the competition was back in October 2002 when an AFC Ajax team featuring Roma defender Cristian Chivu came away with a 2-0 victory in the first group stage.
• Roma had mixed fortunes on their travels in the group stage, winning 1-0 at Olympiacos CFP but going down to defeats at Valencia CF (1-2) and FC Shakhtar Donetsk (0-1). In 18 away matches spanning four campaigns in the UEFA Champions League, they have won five, drawn six and lost seven. The club are competing in the knockout stages for the first time.
• This is only the third visit to France for the Serie A side, who won 2-0 at FC Girondins de Bordeaux in the 1990/91 UEFA Cup third round. The following year they saw their UEFA Cup Winners' Cup hopes end with a 1-0 quarter-final reverse at AS Monaco FC. Overall, their record against French opposition reads two wins, three draws and one defeat.
• Lyon have faced Italian visitors five times previously on home soil, winning twice, drawing twice and losing once. Last season they were held 0-0 by AC Milan in the first leg of their UEFA Champions League quarter-final and eventually succumbed 3-1 on aggregate.
• The teams' goalless draw in the first leg in Rome was the first time in four successive attempts that Lyon had not won the away leg in a last 16 tie. Their home results have been even more impressive at this stage in recent seasons, with victories over Real Sociedad de Fútbol (1-0 in 2003/04), Werder Bremen (7-2 in 2004/05) and PSV Eindhoven (4-0 in 2005/06).
• The last side to win a UEFA Champions League tie after drawing the first leg at home were FC Porto in the 2003/04 semi-finals. Since then ten teams have tried but failed to regain the initiative in a tie following a home first-leg draw.
• Lyon coach Gérard Houllier got the better of Roma with his old club Liverpool FC in the 2000/01 UEFA Cup fourth round. Liverpool won the first leg 2-0 at the Stadio Olimpico before a 1-0 victory for Roma at Anfield in the return.
• Four Lyon players and three from Roma faced off in the FIFA World Cup final last summer. Lyon's French internationals Eric Abidal, Alou Diarra, Florent Malouda and Sylvain Wiltord all featured in the final from which the Giallorossi's Italy trio of Simone Perrotta, Daniele De Rossi and Francesco Totti emerged victorious.
• The winning team will advance to the 9 March draw in Athens for the quarter-finals and semi-finals. The Greek capital will also stage the final on Wednesday 23 May.
I’ll never understand this sort of comments…like this one: “it was clear that all they wanted to do is to take a big fat 0-0”.What the hell this supposed to mean?Why didn’t Lyon take a big fat win by 2 or more or…just a win, (not fat), by the odd goal at least?If they can do all they want…
Get real…Roma have got one of the best squads and one of the best coaches(if not the best) in Italy and are surely among the most exciting teams to watch in Europe.The uptrend period of Roma started almost a year and a half ago, so their league position has nothing to do with that “fixing scandal” in Italy!Yeah, they didn’t beat Lyon in the first leg…So what?Lyon deserved that draw though, but Roma managed to keep a clean sheet at home, having played tactically good match, very careful in other words, while they can always be dangerous up front with the players they’ve got in the squad.There’s much bigger pressure on Lyon this time and let’s see how they’re gonna react in this situation.With this scoreline there are much more things to think about in the second leg…
Also, what the hell Lyon did to deserve these funny odds!?Not long ago Milan were priced around 2.30 against Roma, at San Siro, and don’t tell me they’re “worse” than Lyon and Gerland is much more hottest place to visit, so where’s the bloody value in the price for the home win!?Lyon were in the worst group of the Champions League, with inexperienced Steaua, terrible Dynamo Kiev and the circus from Madrid(gimme a break…Even Getafe smashed Real at home and managed to take a point at Bernabeu) and comparing this team to a real big guns, like Inter Milan, Manchester United, Barcelona, Milan, even Liverpool,…,is pretty much close to a comedy.The French league clearly lacks quality nowadays and that’s the only reason for their dominance.Just take a look at last week’s big match between Marseille and Lens and everything’s gonna be clear.An extremely poor, boring match between two hopeless sides and it was even way below the level of the Eng Championship, It Serie B, Ger 2.Bundesliga or Spanish Segunda.Come on…What do you think why there are so many huge upsets in the French cup?A pure lack of motivation…Well, hardly…
Some people obviously have no idea how confident these Roma players are.If someone really believes they’re either scared or impressed by this overrated Lyon side, then you can be sure they’ll prove you very wrong.Lyon are by far the most overrated side in the recent history of the Champions League for sure!I can see no strong facts in the favour of Lyon.Not even the current form...Why don't you talk a look how many times Roma have lost in the recent months?
Masive value in Roma +1/2(2.15)!
Some people obviously have no idea how confident these Roma players are.If someone really believes they***8217;re either scared or impressed by this overrated Lyon side, then you can be sure they***8217;ll prove you very wrong.Lyon are by far the most overrated side in the recent history of the Champions League for sure!I can see no strong facts in the favour of Lyon.Not even the current form...Why don't you talk a look how many times Roma have lost in the recent months?
I see very misleading post here. First of all - as a Romanist for over 10 years now, I can say a thing or two about Roma. You say Giallorossi aren't scared. Well, the way I see it, Roma is a team with bunch of youngsters who are still unproven in European Cups (Rosi, Faty, Ferrari, Okaka), aggresive and unresponsible players who easily lose control over their actions (Mexes, De Rossi) and barely three veterans (Totti, Tonetto and Panucci). As a contrary for your opinion, I see Roma as awfully poor travellers in Serie A (6-4-3), where they are without a win since January, losing points to: Empoli, Ascoli, Chievo or Livorno. There is more - Roma was (and always was) poor on the road in group stage of Champions League - winning at Olympiakos and losing to Shakhtar and Valencia - two teams surely comparable to Lyon. In previous years, Roma was falling in Kiev (Dynamo), Leverkusen or Madrid (Real). It is not conspiracy theory - Roma's strength is and always was Stadio Olympico and Rome. Away they show nothing but mediocriocity.
Telling that Lyon is overestimated is ignorant from you. Houllier outplays Spaletti tactically and Lyon started this round poorn, as it is fairly common strategy used by Houllier (see how he did this in Pool) to build form for most important games. Important game was 2nd leg ths time and beating St Etienne is a sign of rising sorm. And to say that team who is dominant if France for like six years, getting total of 73-25-8 home in the process, winning their group of CL with impressive win over Real and dominating game at Santiago Bernabeu... A team, which was better side in the first game at Olympico. A team, which has marvelous set piece taker as Juninho (which can be crucial and Totti is class below him). Finally - a team who has so much experience in Champions League, Roma will not have for three years of playing... I'd call it biased view.
From Roma fan perspective - Lyon (-1) @ around 2.70, Roma to get red card looks fine as well.
Why don't you talk a look how many times Roma have lost in the recent months?
Yes, they only lost once in Serie A in the calender year 2007, and it also happens to be the only time they played against a team from the top half of the table, Empoli ... By making the above statement, I hope you are not trying to compare Lyon to teams in the calibre of Ascoli, Chievo Verona, Reggina, Parma, Siena, Livorno, and Messina
I’ll never understand this sort of comments…like this one: “it was clear that all they wanted to do is to take a big fat 0-0”.What the hell this supposed to mean?
It means that after a couple of bad experiences in the Champions League they choose the safest way. No impressive game no nothing. Just play not to lose. No one said that they could do whatever they want and no one said that Roma was worse. In the second half they were only them trying.
Lyon were in the worst group of the Champions League, with inexperienced Steaua, terrible Dynamo Kiev and the circus from Madrid
Lyon's group was easy but Roma's group was tough? Now..you give me a break. I don't think the 4th of the table of Spain Valencia is better than Real. Sure they are much more serious but at the start of the season Real didn't look they do today. And i don't think Steaua was considered as too easy. After all they reached semi-finals of Uefa last year. So in the most modest way they both had easy groups to confront with.
Why don't you talk a look how many times Roma have lost in the recent months?
Actually..Roma hasn't won yet an away game this year..their last away win was at the 20th of December against Torino..not too much encouraging.
I’ll never understand this sort of comments…like this one: “it was clear that all they wanted to do is to take a big fat 0-0”.What the hell this supposed to mean?Why didn’t Lyon take a big fat win by 2 or more or…just a win, (not fat), by the odd goal at least?If they can do all they want…
Get real…Roma have got one of the best squads and one of the best coaches(if not the best) in Italy and are surely among the most exciting teams to watch in Europe.The uptrend period of Roma started almost a year and a half ago, so their league position has nothing to do with that “fixing scandal” in Italy!Yeah, they didn’t beat Lyon in the first leg…So what?Lyon deserved that draw though, but Roma managed to keep a clean sheet at home, having played tactically good match, very careful in other words, while they can always be dangerous up front with the players they’ve got in the squad.There’s much bigger pressure on Lyon this time and let’s see how they’re gonna react in this situation.With this scoreline there are much more things to think about in the second leg…
Also, what the hell Lyon did to deserve these funny odds!?Not long ago Milan were priced around 2.30 against Roma, at San Siro, and don’t tell me they’re “worse” than Lyon and Gerland is much more hottest place to visit, so where’s the bloody value in the price for the home win!?Lyon were in the worst group of the Champions League, with inexperienced Steaua, terrible Dynamo Kiev and the circus from Madrid(gimme a break…Even Getafe smashed Real at home and managed to take a point at Bernabeu) and comparing this team to a real big guns, like Inter Milan, Manchester United, Barcelona, Milan, even Liverpool,…,is pretty much close to a comedy.The French league clearly lacks quality nowadays and that’s the only reason for their dominance.Just take a look at last week’s big match between Marseille and Lens and everything’s gonna be clear.An extremely poor, boring match between two hopeless sides and it was even way below the level of the Eng Championship, It Serie B, Ger 2.Bundesliga or Spanish Segunda.Come on…What do you think why there are so many huge upsets in the French cup?A pure lack of motivation…Well, hardly…
Some people obviously have no idea how confident these Roma players are.If someone really believes they’re either scared or impressed by this overrated Lyon side, then you can be sure they’ll prove you very wrong.Lyon are by far the most overrated side in the recent history of the Champions League for sure!I can see no strong facts in the favour of Lyon.Not even the current form...Why don't you talk a look how many times Roma have lost in the recent months?
Masive value in Roma +1/2(2.15)!
This is only naive post to justify any surprise outcome that may come out in Roma's favor.
Don't forget Lyon is not a \mickey mouse\ club. They are aware of the situation and have all power to dump Roma just in the first half (the club which was stopped by poor Ascoli recently). Situation works better for Roma as they can qualify on any scoring draw. This only provokes the French team for victory only and at HOME.
I am more than sure that maximum what Roma can get is a draw if not sth like 3:0 :D
@ kojic2003
You just wanted attention. Thats all. I cosider your post very funny.
So you will get attention.
-You said that Roma has one of the best squads and best coaches. -Not true , and also not true that they have one of the best squads in Italy.
Why? Because they cant defeat Ascoli, Chievo, Empoli, Livorno , Messina...
It is true. they cant win away even in Italy.
-You said, that there is a pressure on Lyon? Oh yes big pressure, they will laugh at the end of the match. The true is that Roma is not capable to score even at home. So if Roma is so strong then why they didnt win at home, to have a good result before the 2nd match???
Because they dont know to score.
-You said that French league lacks quality, BUT, LYON dont lack quality. And what quality have Roma when they cant win vs teams like Ascoli, Chievo, Empoli, Livorno , Messina... ??? So the true is Roma has ZERO quality...
-You said that you cant see any facts in the favour of Lyon? Here is the one...
Gamebookers 1.75 3.20 5.25 -thats a fact. :D
And thats true 1.75 on Lyon is a fact... So somebody will see a value in HW or in AW or whatever... But 1.75 on HW is true.
Maybe Konjic tried to get some attention to see if you all had some good quality arguments for Lyon victory tonight.
I strongly disagree with Konjic when it comes to the strenght of the french league which i consider very strong indeed - this is the league who has produced some of the best footballers in the last ten years so to compare it with serie b or the championship is just silly.
But I must say that tonight I see a chance for Roma aswell - Roma without injurys are a strong team but their strength in dept is poor allthough recent signings like Vucenic and Tavano has added much needed options in attack.
lets take a look at the team.
Three world cup winners - De Rossi, Perrotta and Totti - top quality players who could play in any team really.
Central defenders - Mexes and Chivu, I think this is one of the best central defenses in this competion allthough Chivu has been struckling with injury.
Mancini is one of the best wingers in the world when he hits form! A quality player
Pizzaro is a creative and skillfull midfielder who dosent look apart in this Roma setup.
Panucci is a lot of experience and Tonetto is good going forward.
Taddei is question for me and keeper Doni also but apart from those two I see a Roma side tonight without injurys that can be trouble to any team in Europe.
Can they beat Lyon? Yes sure why not I dont think home team is impossible to beat. These two teams a very even but home ground is offcourse huge advantage for Lyon and thats why the are and should be favorites in this match. If Roma scores first though I am sure Lyon will find it very difficult and in my opinion not qualify.
Can Roma score first? Offcourse a team with players like I mentioned before can surely score first, a moment of class from Totti or Mancini could leave Lyon in a problems.
Houllier also said that this seasons 1/8 finals are the most difficult because he has a lot of respect for this Roma side. He knows about their strenght.
Spalletti the best coach? Hmm - one of them he has rebuild this side without any funds really and that is impressive!
GL to all, I will be on Roma to qualify as that is value to mee! Dont know what my bet will be as I normally only go for correct scores and will do the same tonight.
Lyon wont risk anything. Otherwise, they are pretty poor for a topt-team when playing home (games with Dynamo Kiev and Steaua this eason are proving this). They will have in mind that any Roma goal will mean exit and some 20 millions euro loss. In my opinion X2 at odds over 2 are totally insane. I expect under and possible OT.
Lyon are a great team, no doubt about it, but the value here is on Roma to qualify.
In my view, the odds here are really disrespectful: when the tactical pattern favors them, Roma can be spectacular and devastating to say the least. And this is the most favorable pattern: Lyon must score and therefore will attack, although not massively (Houllier isn’t dumb), and Roma's best ability is to conquer the ball in the middle and counterattack with their skillful players, especially on the wings, moving the ball in an incredibly quick way. In fact, a superb teamwork is their trademark, together with the timing of the midfielders’ offensive insertions (especially Perrotta and obviously Totti).
On the other hand, they struggle against "small" teams, whose main goal is to defend, precisely because they don't have a “physical” offense. Actually they play without a real striker, and this makes them the most revolutionary team Italy (and maybe Europe) has seen in recent times. This is also their strength, because the opposite defense doesn’t have any point of reference. Then again, Lyon are a great team and their win wouldn't be an upset, that's for sure.
One last thing: don’t consider Roma’s latest Serie A matches. With Inter 16 points above and Palermo 9 points below, the 2nd spot is sealed and they don’t really have any motivation anymore. And this is probably the most important match in the club’s history since the 1984 Champions’ Cup final against Liverpool.
LYON TEAM : Coupet, Vercoutre, Clerc, Réveillère, Cris, Squillaci, Müller, Abidal, Tiago, Diarra, Källström, Juninho, Govou, Baros, Fred, Malouda, Wiltord, Benzema.
AS ROMA TEAM: : Bertagnoli, Cassetti, Chivu, Curci, De Rossi, Defendi, Faty, Ferrari, Mancini, Marangon (Doni), Mexes, Okaka, Panucci, Perrotta, Pizarro, Rosi, Taddei, Tonetto, Totti, Virga, Vucinic, Wilhelmsson
I think that LYON is in a great form and will won with roma today
It happened to watch the whole first game and from the time the game ended i decided that i would bet definitely on Lyon for this for the following reasons.
1) The whole game gave you the impression that Lyon was doing what they wanted. They had ball possession in the first half and Roma was nowhere in the field. I don't remember them creating a single chance.
Wrong. Roma would most likely have scored 2 goals by half time if it wasn't for the stupid officials calling it offside when it wasn't (Totti, Mancini). The refs were really biased towards Lyon. Blowing the first half up 30 seconds early when Roma were about to send a cross into a packed box. Giving a free out against Roma for absolutely nothing as soon as a dangerous freekick was given. Booking Mancini for a dive after he fell, must have been a dive since it was an Italian club...
Roma would almost certainly have won if there was a decent referee and linesmen.
-You said that Roma has one of the best squads and best coaches. -Not true , and also not true that they have one of the best squads in Italy.
Are you serious? Chivu, Mexes, Tonetto, Panucci, De Rossi, Pizarro, Perrotta, Taddei, Mancini, Totti. Of course they have won of the best squads in Italy and there team is as strong as Lyon imo.
@ kojic2003
You just wanted attention. Thats all. I cosider your post very funny.
So you will get attention.
Just wonder how stupid someone can be to think this way?Mate, I read only 5-10% of this forum, maybe even less at times, so what attention you're talking about?I don't give a sh*t about that...
I'm watching French Le Championat this season and have seen an every single match of Lyon this season(either highlights or full match), including the Champions League matches and if you're really trying to convince yourself they're so "powerful", well...that's Ok with me.Although this is far from being true.
Lyon were a pure crap against Milan last year.A very pathetic at home and deserevedly beaten in the second leg, despite some late goals of Sheva & Co!Last time they were under real pressure at home in the CL, they FAILED...vs.Porto.It was another pathetic attacking display from this "mighty" Lyon, just like against Bordeaux a couple of weeks ago!Get real...Udinese destroyed Lens last year, Livorno managed to beat Auxerre away from home this season, although the French side would go through with a draw, Milan smashed Lyon last year,...Were not even a tight affairs.There was a big difference in class from start!
Like I said, Lyon are crap compared to Inter Milan, Milan, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Barca,...,and I'll cut my balls if they ever win this competition!Loool...they managed to beat poor St.Etienne and all of sudden they're in form.
Stupid discussion though...I've got to go now.Bye!...and Good Luck!
in france they will won the league , even they dont win any games
to be the best team in france without problems is not very easy !!
lyon are showing very beautiful and scoring football last years , and in the same time they are kidding with REAL M , in every single match.
My personal vision is that this year Lyon will be on the final.
GL !
freedomofblue
06-03-07, 12:47
LYON is much more stronger than ROMA. In the first match they showed it to everyone. They are now more experienced in UCL. I think they will easily win the game in their home (expected score: 2-0)
Good luck to everyone...
LYON is much more stronger than ROMA. In the first match they showed it to everyone.
Certainly not me anyway.
and in the same time they are kidding with REAL M , in every single match.
Well, that's a huge achievement indeed...You just forgot to mention that even this poor Real Madrid made a comeback against Lyon in their last meeting, from 0:2 down and could have even won the match at the end(RVN missed a late penalty).Lyon are easily conceding goals week in and week out.Only one clean sheet(against poor Lorient 1:0) in the last...(how many? 10, 11 or maybe more...) matches will hardly impress anyone and now their back four are up against a real classy players like Totti and Mancini.Levante managed to beat Real Madrid(1:0) at Bernabeu, Celta managed to beat Real at Bernabeu(2:1), Huelva managed to beat Real at Bernabeu(3:0, should have been even more), Getafe held Real to a 1:1 draw at Bernabeu at the weekend,...,so if Lyon's (not so impressive after all) performances against Real are supposed to the only reason for all this phama about this team, then I don't know what to say.
I'm not forcing anyone to bet on this game.Your money, your decisions...Simple as that!I've seen enough from Lyon in the last few years that I know a couple of things!For start, Fred is by far the worst forward in the Brazilian national team in the recent history.He can be called up only by Dunga(who's trying to make a strong team with a number of freaks), his ball controll is funny and not even worth to comment and except some easy goals from 4-5 meter he's totally useless.You can find lots of 10-year-old kids dribbling better than him.
Lyon: Coupet - Réveillère(Clerc), Squillaci, Cris, Abidal - Tiago, Diarra, Juninho Pernambucano - Sidney Govou, Florent Malouda - Fred
Roma: Doni - Panucci, Chivu, Mexes, Tonetto - David Pizarro, De Rossi - Taddei, Simone Perrotta, Mancini - Francesco Totti
Lyon - Roma
pick : Lyon
stakes : 7
odds : 1.75@bet365
In the going seemed like Lyon controled most of the game,especialy the first half,they created some chances to score.Roma played tacticaly well,their objective seemed like they wanted not to conceed more than to win.Tonight the home advantage is for Lyon,who is very strong at home.I know that in last 2 months the form of Lyon is not great,but we have to take in consideration that they are almost champions by three months now,and they the players aren't so motivated when they play with teams like Troyes,Nice,Sochaux,etc.We have to look at the games that Lyon played with their rivals:
St Ettienne 1-3 Lyon
Lille 1-2 Lyon
Lens 0-4 Lyon
Lyon 3-1 PSG
Marseille - Lyon 1-4
We have to take in consideration the great run of Lyon in the CL groups:
Lyon 2-0 Real Madrid
Real Madrid 2-2 Lyon and so
On the other side Roma is not doing good away at all.Last game he managed to take a draw with an 85 minute equaliser at Ascoli,the worst team in serie A.I know that is not the same thing playing with Ascoli in serie A like playing with Lyon in Champions League,but i have to consider the bad away form of Roma.Probable squads for tonight:
LYON: Coupet; Reveillere, Cris, Squillaci, Abidal; Tiago, Diarra, Juninho; Govou, Fred, Malouda
ROMA: Doni; Panucci, Mexes, Chivu, Tonetto; De Rossi, Pizarro; Taddei, Perrotta, Mancini; Totti
All in all i think that Lyon are superior to Roma and tonight they will manage to win,altough it will be not an easy game.Good luck to you all!
+ 15:00 03-03-2007 Ascoli 1-1 Roma
+ 15:00 28-02-2007 Chievo 2-2 Roma
+ 15:00 17-02-2007 Empoli 1-0 Roma
+ 15:00 21-01-2007 Livorno 1-1 Roma
+ 15:00 14-01-2007 Messina 1-1 Roma
+ 20:30 20-12-2006 Torino 1-2 Roma *
+ 20:30 10-12-2006 Lazio 3-0 Roma
+ 15:00 26-11-2006 Sampdoria 2-4 Roma *
+ 20:30 11-11-2006 AC Milan 1-2 Roma *
+ 18:00 28-10-2006 Udinese 0-1 Roma *
+ 15:00 15-10-2006 Reggina 1-0 Roma
+ 15:00 24-09-2006 Parma 0-4 Roma *
+ 15:00 17-09-2006 Siena 1-3 Roma *
The only strong team to beat Lazio at home was Lazio when they hit top form, still a bad recent run though but convincing results against teams like Milan, Sampdoria and Udine away
One fre-kick (in danger zone),and Roma go down.
Whith Juninhos FREE-KICKS Lion can win CL.
GL
and in the same time they are kidding with REAL M , in every single match.
For start, Fred is by far the worst forward in the Brazilian national team in the recent history.He can be called up only by Dunga(who's trying to make a strong team with a number of freaks), his ball controll is funny and not even worth to comment and except some easy goals from 4-5 meter he's totally useless.You can find lots of 10-year-old kids dribbling better than him.
Yep, a funny ball control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmEWEr4EdN4
Goals from two-three meters. As for that, a goal is a goal, wheter it's scored from your own penalty line, or from the goal line. OK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt_wGsVFiMI
And, yes, I'm not sure that 10 year olds dribble better then him ,but you certainly do, don't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgsmcxvzAgw
Next time, leave your arrogance and your lousy opinions without any arguments behind, I respect your betting records and tactics, but try to talk with sense for once.
NiceGuysFinishDeadLast
06-03-07, 17:30
Whith Juninhos FREE-KICKS Lion can win CL.
GL
hhmm... Juninho has been great with free kicks throughout his career with Lyon... yet his free kicks have never taken Lyon beyond the quarter finals in UCL... so i cant quite agree with you.
Way to make a point centafor!!!
Addictedto
06-03-07, 17:49
Kojic2003 - someone made you look funny :D
The only strong team to beat Lazio at home was Lazio when they hit top form, still a bad recent run though but convincing results against teams like Milan, Sampdoria and Udine away
Also, they're minds has been fully on the CL since the week before the first leg. Saturday they rested Doni, Mexes, Tonetto, De Rossi, Perrotta, Taddei and Mancini.
Can moderators at least drop us a line when they feel the need to edit a post. I'll edit the f&^$ng post myself. I understand space may be valuable, but just messing with people's posts, especially when they are not offensive is borderline censorship. Thank you.
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Lyon is definitely overrated. Collectively, their squad is at best average compare to English Premier League Standards.
This forum is about discussing odds and value. From my point of view, I would take Roma +1/2 @ 2.12 becoz i see value in it.
My personal estimation of the correct value for Lyon to win is around 2.20
There's just no value in betting on odds of 1.80, absolutely no value.
From the very beggining i'm thinking of taking Roma X2 and now i'm sure this is the best bet possible (together with Bayern tomorrow)
I only can't understand how Fidu got caught in this obvious trap.
Well, Kojic's posts were a little bit too much but the core idea is terribly right!
Lyon was a great team but the last 1,2 or 3 years. Right now it is an average good team (compared to the CL teams) and no way they should have such an edge odds wise.
Roma is not a too much better team either IMO but the odds are way too good as they are at least equal.
I agree that Lyon had better oportunities in the first leg but also think that they missed their only chance to qualify, which was winning in Italy.
This asian Hc for Roma is one of the few super high value bets, the bookies give away for the month.
If we have 3 or 4, this one is one of them.
Roma will qualify and the AH i will take 10/10 (6/10 should be the right stake if talking of certitude or expectation but these odds suggest a full stakes bet. Only by betting on it, you will win, no matter how it will end) ;)
If someone doesn't understand what i mean, just check in google - value betting and will find a lot of articles explaining it.
I won't bother explaining for the 15th time
Good luck guys :D
p.s. we can consider that bookies usually win right? so what should happen in this match for this status quo to remain, judging from the posts above? Lyon not to win...think about it ;)
Tankolam and latso you are thinking there's no value on lyon??
Oki: Roma away from home CL: 1W (olmpiakos 0-1)- 2 L (shaktar and valencia 2-1 and 1-0, -1 goalverage)
Serie A: Roma at home: 10-2-1 (31gs-6)
Roma away: 6-4-3 (21gs-15)
This year 16 away game: 7 V-4D-5L.
Is roma a wonderfull team away?
Odds on lyon are 1.80 , so 100/1.80= 55.5% of winning.
I'm not a medium , I can't predict final score, but 55.5% of winning for lyon is something real. 100 games: lyon against roma , lyon can win 56 ! There is value on lyon.
I am desperate to see this game. Does anyone know any livestream (paid or not) where i can watch this game? Forza Roma!
about the game latso said it everything, congratulations mate :idea: so Roma +0.75 @1.87 bet365 ;)
I am desperate to see this game. Does anyone know any livestream (paid or not) where i can watch this game? Forza Roma!
about the game latso said it everything, congratulations mate :idea: so Roma +0.75 @1.87 bet365 ;)
man you're lucky that i check this forum sometimes...
http://www.myp2p.eu/Matches/Match4.htm
download sopcast or PPStream or TVU and enjoy the game !
man u've just made someone very happy :o . Thank u so much!
NOw i just Hope that my boys won't dissappoint me, It's the most important match of the season, Ave ROMA Le Legioni romene ti salutano!
This is not true.
Lyon now down 0-2. This bet is probably lost. :oops:
This is not true.
Lyon now down 0-2. This bet is probably lost. :oops:
nope, it's most obviously won ;)
FT Lyon [0 - 2] AS Roma
22' [0 - 1] F. Totti gool
44' [0 - 2] A.F.A. Mancini gool
57' Tiago yelow
63' C. Cris yelow
77' K. Källström yelow
79' S. Perrotta yelow
90' F.C.G. Fred D.M.C. Pizarro yelow
ROMA beat LYON and go to next round this is a surprise
Roma was better side and deserved their win. Congratulations guys, you were right, Lyon disappointed big time.
Those two yellow card at the end made me win my 2.10 bet on over 50.5 card points. I thought it would be Roma losing their temper at the end though so blew the same amount on a treble with Lyon win. All in all, 0.10 win today. :oops:
Latso, you are a genius. Thanks for helping me bet and more importantly win money. I follow your ideas and I knew that at half time my bet was effectively won.
roma played well, lyon played really poorly
Yep, a funny ball control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmEWEr4EdN4
Goals from two-three meters. As for that, a goal is a goal, wheter it's scored from your own penalty line, or from the goal line. OK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt_wGsVFiMI
And, yes, I'm not sure that 10 year olds dribble better then him ,but you certainly do, don't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgsmcxvzAgw
Next time, leave your arrogance and your lousy opinions without any arguments behind, I respect your betting records and tactics, but try to talk with sense for once.
Looll...Sh*t happens from time to time.Even Ruud van Nistelrooy managed to score(vs.Fulham) like Ronaldo at his best days.Fred is poor player, just like Tinga(Dortmund), Vagner Love(CSKA Moscow),...and a number of other players in the Brazilian national team, under Dunga.
What arrogance?Mate, get real and don't write bullsh*t...I've just said a pure facts.
Where's the new winner of "Le Tour de France"(lol...cracking goal) Mancini in the national team?
Congratulations to Kojic and Latso for such great feeling or maybe even better to say, for founding good and real value bet.Hats down, guys.
Fred should have been red carded at least 4 time in this match , he has this thief traitor and coward mentallity . totally despicable person
Yep, a funny ball control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmEWEr4EdN4
Goals from two-three meters. As for that, a goal is a goal, wheter it's scored from your own penalty line, or from the goal line. OK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt_wGsVFiMI
And, yes, I'm not sure that 10 year olds dribble better then him ,but you certainly do, don't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgsmcxvzAgw
Next time, leave your arrogance and your lousy opinions without any arguments behind, I respect your betting records and tactics, but try to talk with sense for once.
Looll...Sh*t happens from time to time.Even Ruud van Nistelrooy managed to score(vs.Fulham) like Ronaldo at his best days.Fred is poor player, just like Tinga(Dortmund), Vagner Love(CSKA Moscow),...and a number of other players in the Brazilian national team, under Dunga.
What arrogance?Mate, get real and don't write bullsh*t...I've just said a pure facts.
Where's the new winner of "Le Tour de France"(lol...cracking goal) Mancini in the national team?
kojic yesterday ***305; was thinking to bet much money on Lyon, but when ***305; read your preview I stopped to think betting on lyon. Some people were sure abot lyon and they were laughing you but at the end you've been the winner with Roma ;)
Thank you friend for rescuing my money ...
I’ll never understand this sort of comments…like this one: “it was clear that all they wanted to do is to take a big fat 0-0”.What the hell this supposed to mean?Why didn’t Lyon take a big fat win by 2 or more or…just a win, (not fat), by the odd goal at least?If they can do all they want…
Get real…Roma have got one of the best squads and one of the best coaches(if not the best) in Italy and are surely among the most exciting teams to watch in Europe.The uptrend period of Roma started almost a year and a half ago, so their league position has nothing to do with that “fixing scandal” in Italy!Yeah, they didn’t beat Lyon in the first leg…So what?Lyon deserved that draw though, but Roma managed to keep a clean sheet at home, having played tactically good match, very careful in other words, while they can always be dangerous up front with the players they’ve got in the squad.There’s much bigger pressure on Lyon this time and let’s see how they’re gonna react in this situation.With this scoreline there are much more things to think about in the second leg…
Also, what the hell Lyon did to deserve these funny odds!?Not long ago Milan were priced around 2.30 against Roma, at San Siro, and don’t tell me they’re “worse” than Lyon and Gerland is much more hottest place to visit, so where’s the bloody value in the price for the home win!?Lyon were in the worst group of the Champions League, with inexperienced Steaua, terrible Dynamo Kiev and the circus from Madrid(gimme a break…Even Getafe smashed Real at home and managed to take a point at Bernabeu) and comparing this team to a real big guns, like Inter Milan, Manchester United, Barcelona, Milan, even Liverpool,…,is pretty much close to a comedy.The French league clearly lacks quality nowadays and that’s the only reason for their dominance.Just take a look at last week’s big match between Marseille and Lens and everything’s gonna be clear.An extremely poor, boring match between two hopeless sides and it was even way below the level of the Eng Championship, It Serie B, Ger 2.Bundesliga or Spanish Segunda.Come on…What do you think why there are so many huge upsets in the French cup?A pure lack of motivation…Well, hardly…
Some people obviously have no idea how confident these Roma players are.If someone really believes they’re either scared or impressed by this overrated Lyon side, then you can be sure they’ll prove you very wrong.Lyon are by far the most overrated side in the recent history of the Champions League for sure!I can see no strong facts in the favour of Lyon.Not even the current form...Why don't you talk a look how many times Roma have lost in the recent months?
Masive value in Roma +1/2(2.15)!
I also took Roma but qualify @2,75 , hehe. Anyway Lyon -0.5 @1,80 was a joke. Congrats.
Latso, you are a genius. Thanks for helping me bet and more importantly win money. I follow your ideas and I knew that at half time my bet was effectively won.
:o i can't deny the fact that such words make me feel gooood :D
Thank you mate, i'm trying to help ;)
But i'm far away from guys like Jerries, Lakini, Kuki, Macot and many others. They are the real masters :idea:
Anyway, as long as i'm helpful to anyone, it's OK
p.s. don't look at my Liverpool - Barsa prediction lol :oops:
Cheers :D
I guess what happened to Lyon is partly due to the break. When Lyon played in the group, they were formidable. But now, of course, with Roma getting better and better, somehow the tempo got arrested. Anyways, congrats to Francesco Totti and Roma.
Well done Kojick & Latso!
Nice work kojick i follow your pick and i agree with all you said i put a masive bet on Roma and i win. ;)
I guess what happened to Lyon is partly due to the break. When Lyon played in the group, they were formidable. But now, of course, with Roma getting better and better, somehow the tempo got arrested. Anyways, congrats to Francesco Totti and Roma.
It's overall teamwork that won the day. Seria A still produces best zonal defence team around the globe. If you watched yesterday's match, Lyon has only possession and no penetration. The most Lyon threat was from dead ball situation.
Well i'm big fan of AS Roma, but i didn't believe that they'll won. But hey it's not important if you have 70% ball posesion and numerious opportunities if you can't score.
The only thing which count is goal. And Roma scored from their 2 opportunities. Congratulations AS and FORZA!! :)
Roma are probably the best team in the world on the counter attack. They have a great defence when needed and some of the best attackers in the world. I backed Roma each way at 33/1 last night. I'm confident they can reacht the final. They're the ultimate cup team.
Roma are probably the best team in the world on the counter attack. They have a great defence when needed and some of the best attackers in the world. I backed Roma each way at 33/1 last night. I'm confident they can reacht the final. They're the ultimate cup team.
I don't want to spoil your joy but i believe that Roma has chances only against a couple of teams from now on.
I see them going through only against PSV, Valencia or Real Madrid.
I believe that two of these teams will not go through further and their only chance would be to face Valencia which would be a very tight fixture a 50%50 match.
Can't see them bothering too much the English teams or Milan, Bayern...
Hope i'm wrong but this is how i see it.
Cheers
@ Latso and Kojic
Great previews about Lyon and Roma... Excellent thinking about outcome of the game... ;)
I am just hopeing your correct picks and marvelous explanations will continue... ;)
Big respect... to you two... and in the future I shall consider your posts more wisely... ;)
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I could have given you many reasons for Lyon defeat but 1 should be enough @ Alieu Carew :D
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