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Hi Gaetano and big thanx for all your picks I really like them!
But I have seen that you don't seem to know what a betting exchange is! A betting exchange like Betfair where you take many of your picks is a site that just handles bets for customers, where the customers them self offer bets to others so there is no real bookmaker involved.
Because of this Betfair and other betting exchange site takes a fee called commission! Betfair have 5% (except asian where they have 1%). You can get lower but is hard so most have 5%. Anyway to get the real odds you have to reduce the odds that is listed with 5% 2,50 = ((1,5*0,95)+1)=2,425.
Have seen that you never count with this and just write down the listed odds that noone can take. So in the future you might want to change this so your odds actually exist.
Thanx again for all you picks, Whistler.
Hi Whistler,
thank you for my picks attention.
In relationship fill up odds methode, these are the rules :
a) all tipsters can choose odds from selected bookmakers list,
b) This list can be displayed when we enter analysis,
c) i personally consider www.tip-ex.com odds, at the moment that i published odds.
d) all tipstairs can insert these odds.
If you were an older bettingadvice reader, you should know that i’ ve published picks for this site,for two seasons, in a row.
I was usually placed on the top tipsters table, sometimes reaching first place.
I had a break last year, and this season i’ve began again, leaving from zero points…..
Anyway, i’d like to wish you Merry Christmas, and also to all bettingadvice readers, tipsters and Terje
Grefstad.
Regards
Gaetano
Hi Gaetano
Very much like your betting ideas. But your motivation as why you use Betfair seems very strange.
If you were interested in being fair with your bets you would not consider using Betfairs odds without reducing the odds for at least 4% in commission. Why would you like to present bets that are not possible to put for such odds at chosen bookmaker? Would you not like to have a fully serious approach? You are good enough already without trying to further improve your stats with these fake odds.
I really can'y understand this.
Gaetano here is a tipster that provides winning tips. You guys, with all the respect, are not so active members. I think you need to provide help for fellow members and then make all the criticism you want.Criticising a tipster when are have 2 posts in 2 years is weird.
As for the Betfair matter even if without the commission Gaetano would have solid winning and great yield.
I think we all have more interesting matters to guide our energy. Good luck guys and I would like to hear more from you ;)
Terje was supposed to have had a word with you Gaetano about not using exchanges for main page bets. Yea I know they are available on the drop-down menus, but they shouldnt be used. As far as I know, the option wont exist when BA is reprogrammed.
Who cares about the record? The guy is delivering winning picks every sunday and won me a lot of money recently. Keep it up Gaetano. ;)
Who cares about the record?
I think Gaetano self does, otherwise he wouldn't use Betfair and what's even worse Parbet as "his" bookies. He is a good tipster but he's "misusing" the exchange bookies just so to get as many units won as possible.
The point of a tipster is to provide good picks and a profit.In these conditions people should be able to get the same odds,otherwise everything becomes useless.
Betfair's comission is part of reality,thus no reason to be viewed as it wouldn't exist.
The same applies for bad bookies where singles are not accepted,have low limits and so on.The above,should be skiped by any means.
Who cares about the record? The guy is delivering winning picks every sunday and won me a lot of money recently. Keep it up Gaetano. ;)
I very much appreciate Gaetano's bets. I think that he has done a tremendous work. I was careful before commenting this so that he would not stop providing his excellent picks but misusing Betfair seems like such a poor idea, especially when you are good enough to prove yourself without it. He does not need to cheat to get good stats because he already got it.
Who cares about the record? The guy is delivering winning picks every sunday and won me a lot of money recently. Keep it up Gaetano. ;)
I very much appreciate Gaetano's bets. I think that he has done a tremendous work. I was careful before commenting this so that he would not stop providing his excellent picks but misusing Betfair seems like such a poor idea, especially when you are good enough to prove yourself without it. He does not need to cheat to get good stats because he already got it.
Gaetano is an excellent tipster, we all know that, and he is not misusing Betfair in any way.
Although I have sent him an email, asking him not to use Betfair, or the other exchanges in these listings, because it is hard for us to see if the odds is real or not (odds in exchanges change faaaaast).
I have no reason to believe Gaetano is cheating, and to my knowledge he is very hard working, and an honest guy.
I'm sure Fredde did not want to criticize too much, and in my opinion he did not either, so we'll call the end of it.
Gaetano. if you read this, please stop using exchanges in the pick listing, and instead use a bookmaker with the best odds. Does not have to be the bookie you are using yourself.
I like Gaetano, imo he never had the intention to cheat ... Good work Gaetano ;)
Hi Gaetano
Very much like your betting ideas. But your motivation as why you use Betfair seems very strange.
Hmmm, I find it strange questioning ones motivation ? Is none of my bussines if and for how much is Gaetano on Terje's payrolle. Imagine its for free so do not see any motivation but by spending his free time giving us picks that may or may not come, and each of us can decide if his pick has any value @ bookie of your own choice. Its not very 'handy' to have more than few accounts. Many of us from former comunist countrys the only choice are local bookies and aech of them is taking from 5 % up .
So thanking each and every tipster for his time, more than that am thanking every member writing any info being of use for us members with less ability to call our own pick in public.
Peace brothers and happy new year ;)
I'm sure Fredde did not want to criticize too much, and in my opinion he did not either, so we'll call the end of it.
Afraid that I can't be happy with your reply. I think that it is ridiculous if you allow people to put bets that are not possible to do. It is not possible for at least 99.99% to bet at Parbet or Betfair without commission. Most got 5% or just below that at Betfair and at Parbet it is at least 3.5% for most.
To not include that in the bet is very hard for me to understand.
Gaetano himself says that he is aware that there should be commission taken but just ignores it. I think that it is sad that he has such approach as he is an excellent tipsters with or without commission and I certainly appreciate that he provides free picks at Bettingadvice.
I would prefer if betting exchanges were not even in the list of available bookies at your site to pick from but if it should be allowed I can't see any motivation to allow bets without a fair commission taken. It certainly can't be difficult to rewrite the coding for the picks to automatically calculate new odds with a standard commission rate so that you make it realistic.
Hope that this discussion can be continued with the actual problem and not with people discussing something totally different.
Fredde's point is a right one in my eyes. I'm sure Gaetano doesn't mean to cheat anyhow and follows the rules.
The fact is that there is a little flaw in these rules and it is the possibility to use such sites in the menu.
I believe that this will be solved in the near future.
Fredde i just don't understand what are you unhappy about Terje's answer? He asked Gaetano not to use these sites and this should be enough for u to see the good will to change this little mistake that you fairly pointed, thank u for that.
p.s.Respect Gaetano, great job ;)
Fredde's point is a right one in my eyes. I'm sure Gaetano doesn't mean to cheat anyhow and follows the rules.
The fact is that there is a little flaw in these rules and it is the possibility to use such sites in the menu.
I believe that this will be solved in the near future.
Fredde i just don't understand what are you unhappy about Terje's answer? He asked Gaetano not to use these sites and this should be enough for u to see the good will to change this little mistake that you fairly pointed, thank u for that.
p.s.Respect Gaetano, great job ;)
Good of Terje to tell Gaetano to stop pick from Betfair and credit for that. But what puzzles me is that the willingness to either get rid of Betfair from the chosable bookmakers, to include atuomatic commission for bets at betting exchanges or to simply delete picks from exchanges seems to not be there. If such picks would not even be valid there were no problem. Why not solve this now so that we will avoid picks at bookies with odds that is not available?
And once again I think that Bettingadvice is an excellent site and I think that Gaetano got some great bets. I just want to help improving the site and make it even more trustable. It would be an improvement for everyone. I can easily chose to not bet if odds is not availaible because it was done at Betfair but it makes it tougher to evaluate the quality of some of the tipsters.
There is an obvious solution, which is to remove Betfair and other exchanges from the list of available bookies.
Howeever, this is coupled with the bookmaker link list, and if I remove one of those, it will also remove the bookie oin previous bets placed at BA, which can cause instability in the db (believe me, I have tried it).
So, it is a stability problem to solve here.
I have tried with a parallell table in the db, which worked, to some extent, but that also gave some sort of instability.
I am not sure why, and the programming is so hard to understand, that I dont want to enter into it again, just for the sake of it.
So, better to wait for the new BA version.
As for the tipsters chosing this or that bookie, it is not really too relevant is it? I expect most readers to use their preferred bookmaker anyway, as it is inpractical to have more then 3-5 bookies in your portefolio anyway.
Even if you have accounts with 20 bookies, it is sometimes more cumbersome to transfer money, etc than to "earn that extra 0.05 on the odds offered.
So, I think most readers read the analysis, make up their own minds, and eventually bet at their preferred bookmaker.
It is regrettable if the odds published is directly wrong, however as it ofcourse givs the tipster better statistics than he should have had.
Anyway, Gaetano knows about this now, so we can expect this not to happen again.
Appreciate what Gaetano does for BA instead. He has had massive influence in the Italian section at BA for a few years now, and have always showed profit.
Imho, using Betfair is much less a problem than using eg. Bwin as a bookie (dont need to mention why, I guess).
Generally, there wont be absolutely widespread justice regarding the profit, cause many people bet only singles, the rest bet only combos, so if eg. someone post picks on AH´s only, he gets much friendlier bookie margin, so its relatively easier to make a profit. But his bets are limited to be used as singles only.
On the other hand, there are many tipsters who use 1x2 betting mostly and that is imho more useful, but they have to overcome sometimes twice as big bookie margin compared to those "singlists".
And the last thing - we live in a world where even common online bookies change their odds also very fast, esp. when they have a couple of odds out of the market. Hey, look at Jeries picks, they are not available in some seconds after they are released.
Tell me, who is more useful. Singlist using AH, someone who uses betfair or someone who influences the market so much, that his odds are down in some seconds...? :idea:
Got to get one thing ... If a tipster writes his pick, he just takes the best odds around on the market at that moment (except exchanges indeed), but that doesn't mean all people who read the pick take the bet at that bookie. Imo the pick counts, and the info the people get from it, not the odds taken by the tipster, if u know what I mean. It's useless to keep on discussing about it.
Grefstad:
Now I am content with your answer. I understand the coding problem. Still puzzled whether it would not be best to delete picks made at exchanges (unless the tipster reduced the odds according to a propriate commission when published) even if I know the problem that arises.
Andrew:
You are correct that there is also a problem with bookmakers that allows almost no money for the odds. I see a big difference though as the odds actually was there when the bet was published. I myself would not put a bet on a bookie that allowed almost nothing on my bet but that is my own choice and if someone decide to do that I would not bother to discuss that.
Some of the available non-exchanges at BA is very questionable if they should be accepted but also a very thin line on what to accept. I would prefer if there were 10 respectable bookmakers to chose from for tipsters instead of the current system even if I know that it would mean fewer good betting ideas. E.g. Worldbet, Bets4all and Bet Royal have so poor reputation that I would never consider betting there and still they are available to chose.
Even if you have accounts with 20 bookies, it is sometimes more cumbersome to transfer money, etc than to "earn that extra 0.05 on the odds offered.
This is probably the reason why I have written in this thread. Too many amateurs actually do take bets that are 0.05 lower than the recommended at BA, especially if odds is below 2.00. For most of the tipsters they will then be losers in the long run which is not the main idea with your excellent site Grefstad. Gaetano currently has stats that allows you to go a bit lower in odds but for most users those 0.05 will give you negative stats especially as their absolutely best bets often is not available even for 0.05 lower odds.
I would never recommend someone to bet on a lower odds than the current expert chose unless there is a clear difference to his thoughts about the bet.
This is an interesting discussion and I withhold that I am not doing this to make myself sound clever but to both improve the site and to make thingsbetter for every user. I have tried the trap to bet for slightly lower for many experts and I know that it is in general a poor idea, at least from my experience.
Got to get one thing ... If a tipster writes his pick, he just takes the best odds around on the market at that moment (except exchanges indeed), but that doesn't mean all people who read the pick take the bet at that bookie. Imo the pick counts, and the info the people get from it, not the odds taken by the tipster, if u know what I mean. It's useless to keep on discussing about it.
I know that you can do so. But it does not make sense for anybody if you chose a bookmaker like Bets4all, Worldbet or SBO if you never ever will use that bookie. If you use a bookie that you got yourself or that the reason you don't have it is not that it is very poorly reputed than I think that you chose a valid bookmaker. But seen too many times that people try e.g. Bets4all and there you can't even be sure that they pay you if you make a withdrawal.
Got to get one thing ... If a tipster writes his pick, he just takes the best odds around on the market at that moment (except exchanges indeed), but that doesn't mean all people who read the pick take the bet at that bookie. Imo the pick counts, and the info the people get from it, not the odds taken by the tipster, if u know what I mean. It's useless to keep on discussing about it.
I know that you can do so. But it does not make sense for anybody if you chose a bookmaker like Bets4all, Worldbet or SBO if you never ever will use that bookie. If you use a bookie that you got yourself or that the reason you don't have it is not that it is very poorly reputed than I think that you chose a valid bookmaker. But seen too many times that people try e.g. Bets4all and there you can't even be sure that they pay you if you make a withdrawal.
In my eyes the bet counts, and the pick isn't written for people to immediately catch the best odds on the market, cause odds change like in a nick of time. People take the bet they've just read about in their favourite bookie where they bet most of the time, prob most of the time not in the bookie suggested by the tipster. But maybe U do, which is possible ... .
Got to get one thing ... If a tipster writes his pick, he just takes the best odds around on the market at that moment (except exchanges indeed), but that doesn't mean all people who read the pick take the bet at that bookie. Imo the pick counts, and the info the people get from it, not the odds taken by the tipster, if u know what I mean. It's useless to keep on discussing about it.
I know that you can do so. But it does not make sense for anybody if you chose a bookmaker like Bets4all, Worldbet or SBO if you never ever will use that bookie. If you use a bookie that you got yourself or that the reason you don't have it is not that it is very poorly reputed than I think that you chose a valid bookmaker. But seen too many times that people try e.g. Bets4all and there you can't even be sure that they pay you if you make a withdrawal.
In my eyes the bet counts, and the pick isn't written for people to immediately catch the best odds on the market, cause odds change like in a nick of time. People take the bet they've just read about in their favourite bookie where they bet most of the time, prob most of the time not in the bookie suggested by the tipster. But maybe U do, which is possible ... .
For me it doesn't make sense to post a bet for an odds that are not supposed to be available to follow. If I would post a bet I would at least want the first one that finds it to be able to try it if they got this honest and trustable bookmaker I put it on.
If you can find even better odds on another bookmaker that you yourself consider trustable than find with it. As BA does not even have an official prize for best tipster I can't see why you must be so desperate to get better figures that you should pick differntly than you place your own bets. Overall I can't see any reason why you would grant people with a bet that you won't play yourself (unless it is a serious bookmaker that actually limited your account).
In my eyes the bet counts, and the pick isn't written for people to immediately catch the best odds on the market, cause odds change like in a nick of time. People take the bet they've just read about in their favourite bookie where they bet most of the time, prob most of the time not in the bookie suggested by the tipster. But maybe U do, which is possible ... .
Not betting for the adviced odds is the biggest mistake a rookie does. If you take 10% worse odds you will be on loss instead of profit if the tipster got ROI 105. So unless you can get the adviced odds you should stay away unless you got really good reason to take the bet for lower odds.
Tried many times to take slightly worse odds and I promise you, that makes you a long time loser if you do that too often.
In my eyes the bet counts, and the pick isn't written for people to immediately catch the best odds on the market, cause odds change like in a nick of time. People take the bet they've just read about in their favourite bookie where they bet most of the time, prob most of the time not in the bookie suggested by the tipster. But maybe U do, which is possible ... .
Not betting for the adviced odds is the biggest mistake a rookie does. If you take 10% worse odds you will be on loss instead of profit if the tipster got ROI 105. So unless you can get the adviced odds you should stay away unless you got really good reason to take the bet for lower odds.
Tried many times to take slightly worse odds and I promise you, that makes you a long time loser if you do that too often.
Well seems like betting is your profession, it ain't mine, just a hobby ... And what u write is probably true, but reality is that prob not 10 % of all guys betting cares to take the odds adviced by the tipster. They want to win money, and if eg the tipper advices a hw @ 2.89, and the bettor takes the bet eg @ 2.80, what's the big fuzz ?
I think you're looking at this from a bit too professionalistic view, but I agree if betting is what makes u come around every day, it's a different thing than that it's just an occupation.
In my eyes the bet counts, and the pick isn't written for people to immediately catch the best odds on the market, cause odds change like in a nick of time. People take the bet they've just read about in their favourite bookie where they bet most of the time, prob most of the time not in the bookie suggested by the tipster. But maybe U do, which is possible ... .
Not betting for the adviced odds is the biggest mistake a rookie does. If you take 10% worse odds you will be on loss instead of profit if the tipster got ROI 105. So unless you can get the adviced odds you should stay away unless you got really good reason to take the bet for lower odds.
Tried many times to take slightly worse odds and I promise you, that makes you a long time loser if you do that too often.
Well seems like betting is your profession, it ain't mine, just a hobby ... And what u write is probably true, but reality is that prob not 10 % of all guys betting cares to take the odds adviced by the tipster. They want to win money, and if eg the tipper advices a hw @ 2.89, and the bettor takes the bet eg @ 2.80, what's the big fuzz ?
I think you're looking at this from a bit too professionalistic view, but I agree if betting is what makes u come around every day, it's a different thing than that it's just an occupation.
Betting is not my profession but I do make a profit from it. And for such a quality site as BA there can't be any other attitude than to deliver long term winning bets. I don't mind that they take on unproven tipsters but they showed clearly that they delete most tipsters that can't show good numbers in the long term. And I would be very surprised if Grefstad would say something different than that they want successful and profitable tipsters.
Even if you do not take betting very seriously you do want to not loose money. Maybe even numbers are ok for you but noone would admit to take a safe long-term loss. If you agree on that you should for sure not bet on singles because you will never get big money if you got wrong strategy then. You should rather try lotto or something like Supertoto.
As philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer said:
“ Everyone takes the limits of his own vision, for the limits of the world ”.
I feel like writing football articles.
Bettingadvice has been giving me chance to practise it.
I usually try to consider picks in relationship, motivations, environment factors, teams potential, statistics.
All doubts, curiosities, from people are welcome.
It means that someone reads, what i write for them.
What i’ve written in the previous post, it’s just what i’ve honestly thought, at the moment of odds selection.
All picks can be read, compared and taking or less in consideration.
If some bookmakers in the list, hasn’t to be used, i can avoid to select them.
I’d like to thanks people that appreciate my job.
In particular, a tipster like Amanthino, that makes an excellent work.
For all Bettingadvice readers, my best happy new year wishes.
That's just what I thought, a guy like me who tries to help by writing about footy in his home nation, not in particular too much from a betting point of view, bit the same idea with which I started out, being a footy fan I guess ...
Keep writing and offers from other guys will roll in ;)
GL and good job ;)
Happy New Year Gaetano and the rest of you!
Let's beat the bookie even more often next year :)
I will try to provide more information during next year to just like Gaetano contribute to this great site and forum. Mine and Whistlers comments were meant to improve things here and not to show how bad things are. Hope everyone understood so.
Just wanted to say thanks for today's tips, excellent as usual! And hope I didn't stirred up to much by this thread :oops: You are doing a great job Gaetano! :D
You're welcome Whistler,
no problem for your considerations.
I've added in serie B section, today's pick:
http://www.bettingadvice.com/showPredictionsLeague.php?idMenu=82
Crotone - Triestina 1 2,50 bwin
Triestina will play away, without 4 regular players:
defenders: Pivotto and Lima
midfielders: Allegretti and Kalambay
regards
Gaetano
Gaetano,I just noticed by few days your great job here (I'm from Italy too,but I got to write in english here,of course!),great tips!
I'll try Crotone too,conscious that Triestina had better results away but hopefully the miss of some important players will help Crotone....
GL to all!
Bad luck bad luck,Crotone missed a penalty too! :(
Hello Danbrujto,
Cariello missed a penalty for Crotone.
Last Saturday scored a wonderful goal in Frosinone.
I hope next time, it will be better time ...!
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